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I do not care for marketing period....hate manipulation. However, I do not find this any more annoying than mangnum, ultra, ultimate, mega, brute-force, monster, hero (who isn't one nowadays), etc.
Wow the C2D MB is a good value then!
I think its valid to assert that many MBP owners bought the machine specifically to run Pro apps. Otherwise, how can you possibly justify the price difference (vs. Macbook.)?? That is Apple's high-est end workstation, and it is just that a WORKSTATION, Apple forgets this I think, making it all übersexy at the expense (formerly) of power. Several hundred to a thousand extra for a non-glossy screen and backlit keys and FW800?? It was a replacement for the Powerbook, a machine touted as "the first portable real-time effects Final Cut editor" back in the day.
Personally, I never picked one up 10% b/c my PB is still fine, 90% b/c they never explicitly stated whether it had a 64-bit cpu...
I'm glad someone finally came out and clearly stated that the C2D is finally 64-bit again, this is the REAL successor to the G4....
To anyone paying attention, Apple has long been gearing up for a total switch to 64-bit ("age of computing" or whatever)...
Ultimately, all this news this just makes the C2D Macbook an even more phenomenal value (imho)!!!!!
Will the redesigned Logic (music App) be fully 64-bit though?....
I think its valid to assert that many MBP owners bought the machine specifically to run Pro apps. Otherwise, how can you possibly justify the price difference (vs. Macbook.)?? That is Apple's high-est end workstation, and it is just that a WORKSTATION, Apple forgets this I think, making it all übersexy at the expense (formerly) of power. Several hundred to a thousand extra for a non-glossy screen and backlit keys and FW800?? It was a replacement for the Powerbook, a machine touted as "the first portable real-time effects Final Cut editor" back in the day.
Personally, I never picked one up 10% b/c my PB is still fine, 90% b/c they never explicitly stated whether it had a 64-bit cpu...
I'm glad someone finally came out and clearly stated that the C2D is finally 64-bit again, this is the REAL successor to the G4....
To anyone paying attention, Apple has long been gearing up for a total switch to 64-bit ("age of computing" or whatever)...
Ultimately, all this news this just makes the C2D Macbook an even more phenomenal value (imho)!!!!!
Will the redesigned Logic (music App) be fully 64-bit though?....
Actually, most of the newer Intel chips were already 64-bit when the announcement was made of the switch to Intel. (The early Intel developer systems were actually 64-bit chips, running in 32-bit mode.)
Jobs just wasn't able to take the big helping of crow that putting Netburst chips into a Mac would mean - so he waited for Yonah.
Which yes, was a stop-gap - but only because Merom/Conroe/Woodcrest came along on the early edge of their projections. Had Core 2 been 3 months later, then Yonah wouldn't have looked like a stop-gap.
Take it in context of 10.4's lame 64-bit support
But, since a 64-bit CPU is next to useless in 10.4 - it really didn't matter that they put the 32-bit OSX back on a 32-bit CPU!
But, since a 64-bit CPU is next to useless in 10.4 - it really didn't matter that they put the 32-bit OSX back on a 32-bit CPU!
And the Monster Mac
The huge towers also lost 64-bit capability.
Even though 10.4 on a G5 had limited 64-bit support, OSX on Intel has none whatsoever.
Apple's copy touting "64-bit Xeons" omits the footnote that says "software is 32-bit only"
The huge towers also lost 64-bit capability.
Even though 10.4 on a G5 had limited 64-bit support, OSX on Intel has none whatsoever.
Apple's copy touting "64-bit Xeons" omits the footnote that says "software is 32-bit only"
They bought the system to run the apps available the day of release ONLY (or earlier).
The resale value after MONTHS of productive use is far higher than any used PC. Live with the greatness that is Apple.
Need to upgrade? Fine. Do so and wonder in the low depreciation of the months of productive and HAPPY use.
Admit it. Running an Apple makes you HAPPY.
Rocketman
"Humor impaired" by stating the obvious.
I'm sure that many Merom (AKA "Core 2") buyers were very aware that they were future-proofing a bit by buying a 64-bit CPU.
Most people look a bit to the future when making a large purchase. A corporate user spending someone else's money - maybe not. But most do....
FCXtreme and new RAIDs?
I'm willing to bet that we'll see a whole bunch of major updates, including FCP 6 and Mac Pros, but has everyone forgotten about the Xserve RAID? Remember this: https://www.macrumors.com/2007/01/19/sata-based-xserve-raid-prototype-uncovered/ If FCXtreme is to really support 4K, it's already been talked about on this thread about storage. Well the RAID prototype had 6 fiber channel ports, would't that help with video? It also had SATA drives instead of the UltraATA, and while I don't know the differences, obviously SATA has to have something on UltraATA for apple to upgrade to them. A HD 17" MBP would be very sweet, and definitely possible as my quick research found that dell has had a true HD laptop out for a LONG while now, so why not apple? For all those of you going out to NAB, I wish I could go with but skipping college for a trade show where all I'd get to do is drool doesn't really spell academically responsible. This year is gonna be huge, not just for apple but for the whole show. I can't wait.
Oh and I forgot to mention, I have a core duo macbook pro, but I remember that the core duos and core2duos use the same socket. So if FCP6 comes out, and is in fact 64 bit only, AND there's some feature I really want or need, I think I'll just pop over to newegg and buy myself a core2duo then upgrade my comp, or course voiding the warranty in the process. Who knows, maybe I'll even upgrade my wifi card to an N for the future since I'd have the comp open already. At that point I'll have a 9 month old laptop, and the only thing the current 17" MBP will have on me will be 1GB extra of RAM.
-Brian
I'm willing to bet that we'll see a whole bunch of major updates, including FCP 6 and Mac Pros, but has everyone forgotten about the Xserve RAID? Remember this: https://www.macrumors.com/2007/01/19/sata-based-xserve-raid-prototype-uncovered/ If FCXtreme is to really support 4K, it's already been talked about on this thread about storage. Well the RAID prototype had 6 fiber channel ports, would't that help with video? It also had SATA drives instead of the UltraATA, and while I don't know the differences, obviously SATA has to have something on UltraATA for apple to upgrade to them. A HD 17" MBP would be very sweet, and definitely possible as my quick research found that dell has had a true HD laptop out for a LONG while now, so why not apple? For all those of you going out to NAB, I wish I could go with but skipping college for a trade show where all I'd get to do is drool doesn't really spell academically responsible. This year is gonna be huge, not just for apple but for the whole show. I can't wait.
Oh and I forgot to mention, I have a core duo macbook pro, but I remember that the core duos and core2duos use the same socket. So if FCP6 comes out, and is in fact 64 bit only, AND there's some feature I really want or need, I think I'll just pop over to newegg and buy myself a core2duo then upgrade my comp, or course voiding the warranty in the process. Who knows, maybe I'll even upgrade my wifi card to an N for the future since I'd have the comp open already. At that point I'll have a 9 month old laptop, and the only thing the current 17" MBP will have on me will be 1GB extra of RAM.
-Brian
64 bit or not, do you really plan to edit 4K video on a notebook? If we believe this rumor then not even the Mac Pro is up to that task, not without adding a kilo-bucks worth of additional hardware. I've still not found anything a 64-bit MBP can do the other one can't. A bit faster overall yes.
If using a MBP, were would you put the scratch disk? the internal drive is not fast enough for uncompressed 4k video.
There is no way Apple will require 64-bits for FCP6, only for FCP extreme and the exotic formats.
That was a disclosed consideration on macrumors.com whether or not it was on Apple.com, which I believe it also was.
Rocketman
Ummm. Don't want to piss you off but it is soldered on and NOT in a plug.
Think: Apple, sell your CPU and buy the party line upgrade. That is both the upside and downside of such a "closed system". The good news? Resale values on Apple Computers are far and away higher than any brand ever.
It's like owning a BMW or a Mercedes. The lease costs are lower
Rocketman
I can't possibly understand how any 32 bit Macbook buyer could possibly complain. Everybody and their brother on this forum and just about every other forum on the net has strived to point out the direction that the computing world is moving in. 64 bit multi core processing is no longer the future, it is todays reality. More so it has been a reality for a year now!
So to put it bluntly, anybody complaining about their "32 bit Pro" machine should really just close their mouths and acknowledge that they can't listen. In any event as others have pointed out you won't be doing much pro editing on any of Apples current portables Pro or not.
Thanks
Dave
So to put it bluntly, anybody complaining about their "32 bit Pro" machine should really just close their mouths and acknowledge that they can't listen. In any event as others have pointed out you won't be doing much pro editing on any of Apples current portables Pro or not.
Thanks
Dave
You do realize that importing mxf files into AVID takes time as well. It's not instantaneous. From my experience, it's around 1/5 and slower the time it takes to digitize.
As for FCP, importing takes time as well. I don't know if it's a 'conversion' per se, but FCP does put a QT wrapper on the file. Remember if you copy from the P2 card to your HD, and then import into FCP, you're adding an extra step.
Either way, this hardly defeats the purpose of tapeless workflow. If you really think that, enjoy the old routine of diging and going out for coffee...once tapeless workflow is the norm, I'm sure my coffee consumption will drop heavily.
uh... dudes... its not like powerbooks were 64 bit. and if you don't think that releasing the core duo was a huge improvement, you didnt own a powerbook. I still do, and I'm aching for more power, and I dont even work with video. everyone was aching for a better apple notebook, and in my opinion, they took their sweet time.
so your last point only holds true for the imacs. and companies don't often advertize what their products CAN'T do. If it was really that big of a deal, the people who bought the core duo imacs should have been investigating it.
Thinking about it now, Rocketman, you are correct. I was thinking of the mac minis or iMacs where the cores are socketed, but now recalling all the fuss of the thermal paste, I remember seeing those pics and there was no socket. I guess that means no C2D and 802.11N for me for now. Meh, that's fine, as long as I don't "need" FCP6. I've never thought about doing 4K on my MBP for the simple reason I have a HDV camera, and that's plenty resolution for me I don't, and won't be spending mega bucks on Red or any other super high end camera. Anyone complaining about not being able to fun Extreme on a laptop is using the wrong system, even though they could hook up to an external display via DVI and external drives via the ExpressCard, but still nowhere close to an ideal setup. If you can spend the money on Extreme, you can buy the top of the line Mac Pro.
Thanks for the clarification rocketman.
-Brian
Thanks for the clarification rocketman.
-Brian
hmmm....they are testing and shooting and showing footage from it.
I think it starts to ship to people with reservations at NAB...so lets wait and see how it pans out.
Someone mentioned who would edit 4k on a laptop...I will say it like I did a few years back...I would.
Not long ago, before Pismo (lombard?) - apple laptop - you couldnt video edit...and not much before then, you couldnt use photoshop...
Its not a matter of if, but when.
Also, about 64 bit not needed for sometime...ahahahahahhahah
Maya (is 64bit compatible for windows but not mac because the mac isnt ready for it) Now with Video, it is welcome, etc.
there is a lot to benefit from 64bit...so its not a future thing.
Sometimes consumers say, "my spread sheet works fast enough...no more is needed..." there is so much more going on in the world than spreadsheets.
Reminds me of the pixel debate for cameras. (dslrs)
Most people, "8 megapixel or 10 is all I need"...o.k, for you, but to try to prove that there is no need for more is silly. I personally like hassleblads medium format 39megapixel camera...
So, its about time...and about what you do.
Again, as far as red...it will be released...vaporware has a bad taste usually when said...wait for NAB.
Peace
dAlen
I can't believe the 64bit debate is happening again. The primary benefit of the current 64bit processors is memory depth. This is good for huge volumes of video data and enormous databases but doesn't mean squat for spreadsheets, word processors, or most of what people do today.
That said, Apple claims to have gone 64bit in their GUI for Leopard and I'd love to know what that accomplishes beyond marketing cachet. My guess is that it simply means the processor doesn't need to keep changing addressing modes which gives a small benefit on a 64bit processor. Maybe there's an optimization there that I'm not aware of like being able to blit a couple pixels at a time, but 64 bit integers just don't seem important for graphics.
Doesn't matter that it supports it natively or whether it has to convert it. You still have to pick and choose shots to copy to your local system. Unless you're nuts and are actually editing straight off the original mxfs. That's your "tape." In fact, most people dump it to a drive completely, then transfer from that drive to edit system (either entirely or selects), and then backup the footage again at the end of a project. Any which way to do it there's going to be a lot of file copying.
I cant imagine they will release HD screens until Leopard is ready...and Leopard is a ways off it would seem.
Definetly would like to see Apple be more competitive in their screen prices.
Definetly would like to see Apple be more competitive in their screen prices.
The benefit here is staggering. Without a true 64 bit GUI in Leopard you couldn't have a 64 bit Final Cut Studio. Under Tiger the only way to develop a 64 bit application is to build your application as a 64 bit Unix app with no Aqua and then communicate with that faceless engine using a traditional 32-bit Aqua user interface application. You can't link the 32 bit Aqua libraries into a 64 bit application at present.
Moving the GUI to 64 bit means that application developers can now develop 64 bit applications (like databases, video editing software, photo editing software, etc...) that have GUI interfaces.