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Final Cut Pro 6, Final Cut Extreme, Xserve RAID
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ya, when i said pros, i meant studios, not professional wedding videographers.Mac_Freak said:
true, but i expect apple knows it wil be a slow transition for equipment of those prices. they are not like ipods, where you can buy a new one as soon as it comes out and sell your old one for half the price.
so are you saying that with that huge price apple is likely to have some bundled hardwear? because that makes much more sense.
virus1 said:
FCP already IS a serious competitor to AVID's Media Composer Family. The one big thing FCP can't do is sharing a single project file. I assume this shortcoming will be addressed in an upcoming version (maybe FCP 6 or 7).
FC Extreme will not go after the Media Composer market. It will be a high-end onlining and 4k film finishing system going after that market segment, which on the AVID side costs well over 100,000.
So you guys are trying to say my Mac mini won't be able to power this 50" beast..?
Damn you Mac mini
Damn you Mac mini
there's no point selling bigger screens
when apple is still seeing many complains of smaller displays with glaring dead pixels and pinkish tint problems.
imagine that you buy a $10,000 monitor and discover that there're 5 stuck red pixels and 2 dead pixels in the middle and Apple says.. "sorry we do not consider that to be a defective display so we can't have your brand new giant display replaced"
when apple is still seeing many complains of smaller displays with glaring dead pixels and pinkish tint problems.
imagine that you buy a $10,000 monitor and discover that there're 5 stuck red pixels and 2 dead pixels in the middle and Apple says.. "sorry we do not consider that to be a defective display so we can't have your brand new giant display replaced"
The 4520x2540 camera is likely the Red Camera
The new cinema display is likely designed to deal 1:1 with the so far unreleased "Red Camera", a high end digital video camera company funded by Oakley. The Red company website is: http://www.red.com
"4520x2540 pixel resolution, Native; 60p, Native; S35 sized image single CMOS sensor, 24.5mmx13.5mm, native 16:9 image sensor; captures RAW 4:4:4 or 4:2:2, however you want it; uses standard 35mm PL mount film lenses, or their mount and lenses; records to their RED Flash based system, external hard drives, Blu-Ray, tape or any other capable format; shoots pretty much any frame rate you'd want."
Many discussions on it:
http://www.google.com/search?q=4520...ient=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
My bet is that the imaging sensor is made by Dalsa.
The new cinema display is likely designed to deal 1:1 with the so far unreleased "Red Camera", a high end digital video camera company funded by Oakley. The Red company website is: http://www.red.com
"4520x2540 pixel resolution, Native; 60p, Native; S35 sized image single CMOS sensor, 24.5mmx13.5mm, native 16:9 image sensor; captures RAW 4:4:4 or 4:2:2, however you want it; uses standard 35mm PL mount film lenses, or their mount and lenses; records to their RED Flash based system, external hard drives, Blu-Ray, tape or any other capable format; shoots pretty much any frame rate you'd want."
Many discussions on it:
http://www.google.com/search?q=4520...ient=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
My bet is that the imaging sensor is made by Dalsa.
p0intblank said:
for the display, maybe Apple will
replace the 20" with a 21" display (therefore HD) for the same price
and replace 23" with 24" display (to match Dell's 24" monitor) for the same price
and keep 30" as it is....
all using the same alumminium design
thats just insane... no computer could handle its 60p at that res.. thier tagline is "We decided to skip several generations of evolution..." the issue is how nobody else made that decision, so red will just have to wait untill everybody agrees with it..Paul Sop said:
that is just about as high as the super HD cameras they used to make movies like star wars, right?
Macrumors said:
ThinkSecret reports that Apple will be showing off some new products at the National Association of Broadcasters this year which takes place April 22-27, 2006 in Las Vegas.
According to the rumor site, the new products include Final Cut Pro 6, Final Cut Extreme and Xserve RAID Extreme.
Final Cut Pro 6 is said to include 5.1 surround sound editing, 1080/24p and 1080/30p DVCPROHD support. Even fewer details are available about Final Cut Extreme which is said to be "an extremely high end version of its video editing software" and is targeted at current Avid users. The new software will require the highest end hardware and be priced close to $10,000.
Also hinted at is a larger Cinema Display to support 4520x2540 resolution of an upcoming digital video camera.
crap $10,000 for a program
oh well i can't wait to see a new Cinema display(hopefully it will be 42"
I'd figure either a 42" or 46". It doesn't make sense for Apple to release anything smaller than 42" since working with 1080P, the 30" Cinema Display doesn't cut it. The Quad G5s are considered entry-level. Time to upgrade all the equipment in my studio.macEfan said:
Here's to the Crazy Ones ![]()
There are different types of apps (and price tiers) in video/film post production software. Final Cut Pro and Final Cut Extreme (assuming it is a high end finishing/compositing app) would be targeted towards separate clients. Right now Apple doesn't have an app that competes w/Avid Symphony, Avid DS Nitris or Autodesk's Smoke (for example). Assuming FC Extreme is a high end finishing app it would compete w/said software.virus1 said:
FCP pro typically competes against products that cost 5 figures. FC Extreme (again, assuming it's a finishing app) would compete against products that cost 6 figures.
virus1 said:
Lucas used the Sony F950 for Episode III (1080p24 @ 4:4:4 IIRC). The Sony is the most used HD camera for films so far, and it's also the lowest in terms of quality (compared to the Viper filmstream or Genesis). But it's the easiest to work with current so it gets used the most. Once things like the Viper mature (and their workflow matures) I'm sure they'll be used by big budget films and the Sony's will be used on lower budget films.
What's become the biggest concern is storage. Some of the cameras have data rates so high that they can't be recorded to tape so you have to record to a HDD. But we're talking about gigs per second so you have to have this huge HDD array connected to the camera wherever you go. Which won't be so bad for sound stages, but it is a royal PITA for location shoots. Once solid state memory packs big enough to handle the footage become common the cameras will start getting used more because the workflow will be much easier to deal with.
Lethal
Student Life
As a student who bought FCP Studio as soon as I could, this is both a joyful and depressing time. I am really excited to see Apple pushing forward in HD editing but I hate being outdated in my software so soon. I can't afford to pay even the student upgrade for the software, or buy a new machine, if they are going to release a new version every year. I know it doesn't say when a release date is, but still I wish I could have gotten a little more life out of my product before the new version was announced. I want to stress I am not complaining, because I really think it's great to see them push forward FCP as a competitor to Avid (especially since the Avid editors I know tend to be somewhat arrogant). In the end though I know I will just be drooling over a new PowerMac and the new version of FCP, I just wish it was a little bit later.
As a student who bought FCP Studio as soon as I could, this is both a joyful and depressing time. I am really excited to see Apple pushing forward in HD editing but I hate being outdated in my software so soon. I can't afford to pay even the student upgrade for the software, or buy a new machine, if they are going to release a new version every year. I know it doesn't say when a release date is, but still I wish I could have gotten a little more life out of my product before the new version was announced. I want to stress I am not complaining, because I really think it's great to see them push forward FCP as a competitor to Avid (especially since the Avid editors I know tend to be somewhat arrogant). In the end though I know I will just be drooling over a new PowerMac and the new version of FCP, I just wish it was a little bit later.
Sunrunner said:
USB dongle.
and maybe the display will ship free with FCP Extreme
or the other way around...
i suppose i am just a little confused as to avid's top systems.. what exactly do directors of big budget studio films refer to when they say "i cut it together on the avid at last minute". is "the avid" one of those nitris things with an xserve raid on it? is it something custom made? is it a pc with a nitris as a graphic aid w/ the high end avid software? it seems to get so confusing on thier site.
I think if indeed Apple plays this card, it could actually crack Avid's kingdom in the high end market. I guess this could seriously put Autodesk media and entertainment in trouble since I don't think it will stop at FC E.
Shake will be next and I bet it will start doing things in real time at ultra high res. If this actually happens AME (Discreet) could be crashed beyond recovery and Avid will probably end up being acquired by someone...
Shake will be next and I bet it will start doing things in real time at ultra high res. If this actually happens AME (Discreet) could be crashed beyond recovery and Avid will probably end up being acquired by someone...
Sunrunner said:
All that it needs is a new graphics card with the next gen DVI...I forget what it's called, but it can do stuff like that.
Apple needs to build a much more robust media management system than their failed effort with Media Manager on Final Cut Pro. No professional is going to work on Final Cut Extreme if MM is flakey as hell. It's like extolling the virtues of Aperture but forgetting to include a decent RAW converter.iris_failsafe said:
Hopefully, they cleaned up their act and trickled down a proper media manager into FCP 6, if they've included one in Extreme.
Here's to the Crazy Ones ![]()
virus1 said:
Most places use an offline and online editing process. What this means is footage is initially digitized at a lower res (kind like a "draft" res) to save space and cut down on render times (this is the off line phase). They'll probably use an Avid Adrenalines to edit the footage. And then later, once the final version of the product is approved, only the pieces of footage used are re-digitized at full resolution. This is the beginning of the online phase. They'll take that full res finished product to, let's say, an Avid Symphony and do final color correction, titles, renders, etc.,.
This is a pretty simplified example, but hopefully you get the idea. It can get kinda confusing because there is some overlap between programs.
FCP typically competes against software like the Adrenaline and FC Extreme (assuming it's a finishing app) would compete against software like the Symphony.
Lethal
I would buy a monitor like that on a heartbeat.
I recently purchased a 30" and I can't believe working on a smaller monitor.
I hope this new monitor will be in a $3,500 range. It's expensive but it is worth it. Professionals like me would appreciate any additional screen real estate.
I hope it's a 50". I would put on to replace my old Sony crt on the living room. Imagine seeing full HD res. Movies on that. Unbelievable!
I recently purchased a 30" and I can't believe working on a smaller monitor.
I hope this new monitor will be in a $3,500 range. It's expensive but it is worth it. Professionals like me would appreciate any additional screen real estate.
I hope it's a 50". I would put on to replace my old Sony crt on the living room. Imagine seeing full HD res. Movies on that. Unbelievable!