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Final Cut Pro 6 To Debut At NAB? Final Cut Extreme Too?

FCE 3.5 $99 Offer With "New" Mac May Mean You're Getting "Old" Mac With "Old" FCE

roland.g said:
Any idea if and when FCE HD 4 will come out. I am thinking of getting 3.5 for $99 with new Mac but that expires 3.27.07. Probably because that is right before Leopard ships.
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Usually after the next version of FCP is out. But the end of the discount offer for FCE 3.5 may mean 4 ships the following month along side FCS 6. Often times the discount rebate offers are designed to get rid of aging hardware and software just before the new versions are announced. Buyer Beware.:eek:
 
This is not a rumor anymore. It will happen for certain. Beyond all doubt. You can bet on it.

Why?

Because I just bought Final Cut Studio 5 today! :D :D :D

(I don't feel bad. I got a great price on an open box return.) Besides it will get me the discounted upgrade price.
 
So We Have Confirmation Academic 4/4.5 to 5.1UB For $199 Turns Commercial

bigbossbmb said:
Only Academic users of FCP 4 or 4.5 will get the commercial version of 5.1. Nobody knows the upgrade price to FCP6. My guess is that it will be reasonable for 5.1users and a LOT for previous versions.

I had Academic 4.5 and made out like a bandit getting 5.1 for only $199 last fall.

As for FCP 6? I think it is very likely that it will require Leopard, which means that 10.5 will ship before FCP. Why? 5.1 requires Tiger and Apple knows that the $129 for an OS upgrade is negligiable to Pro users.
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OK so you are confirming that your academic 4.5 became commercial 5.1UB when you got it with all the Educational graphics gone from the splash screen right? This is what I was saying but some were challenging me it wasn't true. Please reply with confirmation. Thanks. :)
 
don't wait, just buy some plugins and be happy today

spicyapple said:
A real-time mixed codec/framerate timeline would be a welcome improvement.

Oh yeah, Shake-like optical flow for slo-motion.

Oh yeah, better color correction including a curves editor and some built-in image processing tools like blurs, power windows, etc.
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I'll give you media manager and mixed frame rates, but most of your issues can be solved with plugins.

Colorista

Color Finesse 2

Twixtor

and the biggest plugin of all... Shake

Final Touch is nice, but colorista is pretty swank, and only $199.
 
Digital Skunk said:
720p... is the format. Maybe I should stop being lazy and ask some people who actually know what they are talking about:p . Or just read the manual. But that isn't the college way.... :cool:
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No, 720p is the resolution, not the format. ;) Are you working w/DVCPro HD, HDV, etc.?

I must agree that cracking open the manual may make you life a little easier.


Lethal
 
FCP5 and 5.1 provided the best native HDV cutting support over any other NLE for a long time. Now most handle it well. Premiere is going back to the Mac, but I don't know if it'll do as well as pundits think.

Among other things, I'd like to see v. 6 be able to remove the pulldown from the Sony HVR-V1u's 24p-in-a-60i stream (much like the DVX100 series, etc.) and, on the high end, support RED's 4k (www.red.com). But I think seeing Sony's HDCAM and higher support will be in the (still-rumored) FCExtreme.

mpstrex
 
Multimedia said:
OK so you are confirming that your academic 4.5 became commercial 5.1UB when you got it with all the Educational graphics gone from the splash screen right? This is what I was saying but some were challenging me it wasn't true. Please reply with confirmation. Thanks. :)
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I am absolutely confirming this. It only happens with 4 and 4.5, nothing earlier...but it does happen. I now have a retail license and I will almost certainly upgrade to 6 when it arrives.

The reason Academic 5 users don't go retail is because they use the same serial for 5.1. Since I went from 4.5 to 5.1, I got an entirely new serial and they only gave out retail licenses.
 
Academic FCP 4/4.5 Transforms To Commercial 5.1UB For $199 Confirmed

bigbossbmb said:
I am absolutely confirming this. It only happens with 4 and 4.5, nothing earlier...but it does happen. I now have a retail license and I will almost certainly upgrade to 6 when it arrives.

The reason Academic 5 users don't go retail is because they use the same serial for 5.1. Since I went from 4.5 to 5.1, I got an entirely new serial and they only gave out retail licenses.
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That's what I have been telling people since last year. But some here doubted it. I had the same experience you had last Fall back in Spring of 2003 when I bought an Academic copy of 3 for $300 specifically so I could immediately send it in with $50 for an almost free upgrade only to happily receive a commercial copy of FCP 4 back from Apple.

It's too bad so many in academia overlook these rare opportunities to advance their software to full commercial for almost no charge. Once you get that commercial liscense you are set for life with each susequent upgrade charge relatively small. Unfortunately I believe Apple will not do this any more. They seem to have decided recently to disallow advancement to the next version from Academic versions any more ever again. This is likely the LAST TIME one will be able to do this. Glad to see you were on the ball BigBoss. :)
 
mpstrex said:
Among other things, I'd like to see v. 6 be able to remove the pulldown from the Sony HVR-V1u's 24p-in-a-60i stream (much like the DVX100 series, etc.) and, on the high end, support RED's 4k (www.red.com). But I think seeing Sony's HDCAM and higher support will be in the (still-rumored) FCExtreme.

mpstrex
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Only Sony's Xpri system natively supports HDCAM as Sony hasn't released the codec (and probably never will). But you can still ingest HDCAM material you just need something like a Decklink or Kona card to transcode the video into another codec on capture.


Lethal
 
Multimedia said:
Are you daft?In your freaking demented DREAMS! They shut down all upgrade bargains from 1, 2 & 3 to 4 only a few months after announcing 4. Get real George. Don't be a Monkey. ;)
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But I am a monkey. It's in the username, George The Monkey. Why wouldn't I want to be a monkey?

I just asked the question because it seemed like you really enjoyed answering them.

Anyway, thanks, TheAnswer and multimedia. I'll go along with it and upgrade now, then have at least have The Bomb Jr. (5.1UB) when FCP 6 releases. :cool:
 
Frankly, The FCX rumor for last year was way out of line. That's one of the reasons I really don't trust Think Secret. As I've seen noted in other places, usually Apple releases a major update Final Cut Pro every other year, last year wasn't that year because FCS 5 was released in 2005. The changeover of the entire FCS to Universal Binary was probably extremely taxing at best anyway.

I think FCX would be an interesting thing, with its preferred computer and a RED One, it could change how major motion pictures are made. I'm not holding my breath, but I think the hypothetical FCX would be a lot more interesting than an Avid system to the prospective RED customer, because of the cost.

Anyway, I personally expect to see FCS6 + the next Mac Pro announced at NAB, and released when Leopard is released. I don't think it would be because of Core Animation but more likely because of improved encoders and much better multithread/multicore handling. I think most of the previews & effects are already done in Core Image, I'm not sure what efficiencies can be had using Core Animation. Maybe a major revision in Motion to allow a more powerful program.
 
Closed Captioning Support Please

I really hope we see the ability to embed Closed Captioning in our videos and movies with FCP 6. This is a feature that's taken far too long to be available to us all. :) It's very expensive to get it done after the fact. :(
 
Butthead said:
Read this link for better perspective.

http://www.hdforindies.com/2007/02/rumors-of-final-cut-pro-6-at-nab.html

Red One Cam? They may announce it at NAB, just wondering when it will ship? Could be 6 months from now. No need for a FCX 4k workflow solution from Apple if the Red isn't shipping yet. Look for a updated version of FCS to handle 4k, cause I doubt any FCX (if it even exists) is going to have that support now.
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No offense but that's the third time that link has been posted.


Lethal
 
I'll believe it when I see it...

As has been said many times, this rumor pops up repeatedly and has never solidified. While I do believe that FCP6 could come out this year, I don't think FCExtreme will come out this year, or if it does, it will definitely be more than 10 grand...probably 20 at least. If it's going to somehow do 4K, they'll have to compete with an AVID DS Nitris, which fetches around 125K and that's just the software and the Nitris Box, you still need the computer and the storage.

I love FCP...I love it even more than Avid, and I use avid almost every day...but I can't believe they'd get into 4K when 2K barely works...and there's no monitor to display it yet.
 
So I have commercial?

Multimedia said:
That's what I have been telling people since last year. But some here doubted it. I had the same experience you had last Fall back in Spring of 2003 when I bought an Academic copy of 3 for $300 specifically so I could immediately send it in with $50 for an almost free upgrade only to happily receive a commercial copy of FCP 4 back from Apple.

It's too bad so many in academia overlook these rare opportunities to advance their software to full commercial for almost no charge. Once you get that commercial liscense you are set for life with each susequent upgrade charge relatively small. Unfortunately I believe Apple will not do this any more. They seem to have decided recently to disallow advancement to the next version from Academic versions any more ever again. This is likely the LAST TIME one will be able to do this. Glad to see you were on the ball BigBoss. :)
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Again, I just reopened my Final Cut Version 5.1.3 and it clearly says Academic, but you said that's cause I used the same serial number. So do I actually have commercial, or will I upon next upgrade I do, say to 6? I don't want to confuse anyone, but I'm looking at a screenshot of my license agreement box upon startup and it says Final Cut Pro followed on the next line by Academic.

-Brian
 
Brian,

You went from 5.0>5.1 correct?

Then you still have an Academic version which is not eligible for upgrades. 5.1 was considered a crossgrade and was not an entirely new version of the software. When FCP6 comes out, you will have to purchase the whole suite again at whatever the student price is, there is no upgrade path for Academic pricing.
 
I'm confused with all the upgrading talk in this thread. Here's my story:

I don't have Final Cut Studio yet, but I am planning to buy it when I buy my Mac. Is it better/cheaper to buy the FCS 5.1 academic version now? (I'm a college student) then upgrade to 6? or buy the FCS 6 academic version when it comes out?
 
superspiffy said:
I'm confused with all the upgrading talk in this thread. Here's my story:

I don't have Final Cut Studio yet, but I am planning to buy it when I buy my Mac. Is it better/cheaper to buy the FCS 5.1 academic version now? (I'm a college student) then upgrade to 6? or buy the FCS 6 academic version when it comes out?
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Just wait if you don't own it already.
 
Academci Versions Don't Upgrade To Higher Versions EXCEPT 4/4.5 Academci To 5.1UB

superspiffy said:
I'm confused with all the upgrading talk in this thread. Here's my story:

I don't have Final Cut Studio yet, but I am planning to buy it when I buy my Mac. Is it better/cheaper to buy the FCS 5.1 academic version now? (I'm a college student) then upgrade to 6? or buy the FCS 6 academic version when it comes out?
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What the Answer meant but didn't say directly is you CAN NOT upgrade Academic 5 to 6. So wait and buy Academic 6 when it comes out. But keep in mind you will not be able to upgrade from Academic 6 to 7 in a couple of years UNLESS Apple decides to be generous again and allow Academic versions to up then. But I'd say the odds are that is not going to happen ever again.
 
superspiffy said:
I'm confused with all the upgrading talk in this thread. Here's my story:

I don't have Final Cut Studio yet, but I am planning to buy it when I buy my Mac. Is it better/cheaper to buy the FCS 5.1 academic version now? (I'm a college student) then upgrade to 6? or buy the FCS 6 academic version when it comes out?
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to get six, you would have to purchase the entire suite at the full academic price. so I would HIGHLY suggest you wait it out...
 
ONE LAST CHANCE To Get FCS 5.1UB Commercial If You Have Nothing Yet For About $398

superspiffy said:
I'm confused with all the upgrading talk in this thread. Here's my story:

I don't have Final Cut Studio yet, but I am planning to buy it when I buy my Mac. Is it better/cheaper to buy the FCS 5.1 academic version now? (I'm a college student) then upgrade to 6? or buy the FCS 6 academic version when it comes out?
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This is a separate post based on the same quote from a college student because EVERYONE needs to be reminded of this ONE LAST OPTION.

ANY PPC component application OR upgrade of the FCS Suite qualifies for the $199 upgrade to FCS 5.1UB commercial.

You get 9 DVDs in an envelope with a new serial number that covers everything including QuickTime Pro. 2 of the DVDs are Tutorials. All the docs are in PDF form. Only downside is you don't get the big fat paper manuals this way.

This means if you are resorceful and HUNT DOWN (I have done this in the past and it is literally similar to a college scavenger hunt) one of these packages which you should be able to buy for less than $199 each, you can then send in one of those install DVDs with $199 and get the commercial version of FCS 5.1UB.

This includes:
ACADEMIC and Commercial:
PPC Motion 2
PPC Motion 2 Upgrade
PPC DVD Studio Pro 4 Upgrade
PPC DVD Studio Pro 4
PPC Soundtrack Pro
FCP 4/4.5 Upgrade from 3
FCP 4.5 Production Suite
and of course FCP 4/4.5

The main thing to note is that an Upgrade install DVD- both academic and commercial will get you the FCS 5.1UB for $199. I am 100% certain this is true because I advised a friend of this last summer, she bought a Motion 2 Upgrade for $199 - which would not work without a Motion 1 serial number which she did not have, sent in the DVD install disc with $199 and got the FCS 5.1UB back from Apple. No prior version serial numbers are needed for this FCS 5.1UB upgarde to work. It's a fresh install with a whole new number.

So if you can be resourceful and really SEARCH high and low for one of those PPC Upgrades be it academic or commercial in any academic or commercial store, mail order house or on-line reseller of Apple software throughout the entire USA - I drove 600 miles RT to get the last academic copy of FCP 3 in all of California four years ago for $300 'cause the upgrade to FCP 4 commercial was only $50 - then you will be rewarded for your perseverance and resourcefulness.

DEADLINE is now only 3 weeks away - March 20. So let's get it done people. I know you can do it if you try real hard. :)

Clarification: You don't need any serial numbers or proof of purchase. This is simply filling out the appropriate form you download from the crossgrade page PDF links and sending it and $199 with an original install DVD to Indiana that qualifys you to receive the commercial copy of FCS 5.1UB back from Apple. Nothing more. Nothing less. Except local sales tax of course.
 
EXCEPT If He Follows My Tip And Succeeds In Finding A PPC Component Of FCS 5

bigbossbmb said:
to get six, you would have to purchase the entire suite at the full academic price. so I would HIGHLY suggest you wait it out...
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EXCEPT if you follow my instructions in the above post in which case you would then be set for life with an upgradable commercial version of 5.1.4UB that you can use to graduate to 6 for the standard commercial price and so forth the rest of your life.
 
Multimedia said:
So if you can be resourceful and really SEARCH high and low for one of those PPC Upgrades be it academic or commercial in any academic or commercial store, mail order house or on-line reseller of Apple software throughout the entire USA - I drove 600 miles RT to get the last academic copy of FCP 3 four years ago for $300 'cause the upgrade to FCP 4 commercial was only $50 - then you will be rewarded for your perseverance and resourcefulness.
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wait wait wait... so if i purchase just about any one PPC software... i can turn it in to Apple with 199 bucks and get the entire commercial 5.1 Final Cut Studio pack?
 
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