Since I've switched, the only major OS 10 upgrade I've been around for is Tiger, and that came out the last week of April or so, and iMacs and eMacs were upgraded the week after. There's no point in shipping machines with an old OS, releasing a new OS, and have those machines you shipped a week ago still sell with the old OS for some time, having the owners of those machines upgrade to the new OS for free. (Hope that made sense.)
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Final Cut Pro 6 To Debut At NAB? Final Cut Extreme Too?
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Can't wait 
to bad i got the accidemic version of FC5 so i can't upgrade o well i saved a lot of money
to bad i got the accidemic version of FC5 so i can't upgrade o well i saved a lot of money 
Academic 5 Goes To Commercial 5.1 UB For $49 (from FCS 5) or $99 (from FCP 5)
You also want to do this to be able to go to 6 for less money and get commercial NOW. This is your last chance to convert from academic to commercial and this opportunity is rare.
The above may only apply to upgrades from academic 4/4.5 FCP. BrianBobcat & Puckhead seem to still have academic version of 5.1 after going to UB from academic PPC 5. My apologies if I've got it wrong. But I still think upgrading to 5.1 UB is something everyone should do from any earlier version of FCP or PPC part of Studio or PPC Production.
You misread the upgrade offer. You can upgrade your academic PPC FCS 5 to 5.1 UB for $49 or PPC FCP 5 to FCS 5.1 UB for $99. Deadline is March 20. Do it tomorrow. All versions including academic become commercial 5.1 UB with this upgrade. You are not impared from getting that upgrade because you have an academic version.Can't wait
You also want to do this to be able to go to 6 for less money and get commercial NOW. This is your last chance to convert from academic to commercial and this opportunity is rare.
Did you upgrade from academic 5 or 4/4.5? When I went from academic 3 to 4 it turned to commercial. I thought this was the same situation.
The above may only apply to upgrades from academic 4/4.5 FCP. BrianBobcat & Puckhead seem to still have academic version of 5.1 after going to UB from academic PPC 5. My apologies if I've got it wrong. But I still think upgrading to 5.1 UB is something everyone should do from any earlier version of FCP or PPC part of Studio or PPC Production.
Wrong
I upgraded to UB back in December form the academic, and all my apps still say Academic on the registration screen that comes up when the apps are first opened. Unless I'm missing something, academic versions can only upgrade to an academic UB version. Puckhead and I are still both probably screwed for upgrading to 6. However bad this sounds, I hope it's not "I want that now" upgrade worthy or else I'll be hitting my head against a wall.
-Brian
I upgraded to UB back in December form the academic, and all my apps still say Academic on the registration screen that comes up when the apps are first opened. Unless I'm missing something, academic versions can only upgrade to an academic UB version. Puckhead and I are still both probably screwed for upgrading to 6. However bad this sounds, I hope it's not "I want that now" upgrade worthy or else I'll be hitting my head against a wall.
-Brian
Help me...
Before I go insane I need some advice. So, if this is true that FCP will get updated and it will integrate Leopard technologies, we can assume Leopard will be out very close to this date.
If 8-core mac pros are being held back until Leopard release, we could also safely bet that 8-cores will be released near that time.
According to my research on the web, 3 different quad core xeons with a fsb of 1333Mhz are available at 2.0, 2.33, and 2.66.
The 2.0 quad seems to be in the same price range as the 2.66 dual woodcrest, likewise the 2.33 quad is about the same price as the 3.0 woodcrest.
So... are we looking at a full 8-core line-up for mac pros, ranging in clock speed from 2 to 2.66?
If so, should I call apple and cancel my order for the 2.66 mac pro I placed last week? I still haven't received confirmation for shipping so I guess I can cancel until then.
Or do you think that they will use single quad core processors instead of two dual cores to reduce the price? And then have the option of having dual quad-cores as a top of the range model?
Any advice would be most welcome!
**runs screaming from the building**
Before I go insane I need some advice. So, if this is true that FCP will get updated and it will integrate Leopard technologies, we can assume Leopard will be out very close to this date.
If 8-core mac pros are being held back until Leopard release, we could also safely bet that 8-cores will be released near that time.
According to my research on the web, 3 different quad core xeons with a fsb of 1333Mhz are available at 2.0, 2.33, and 2.66.
The 2.0 quad seems to be in the same price range as the 2.66 dual woodcrest, likewise the 2.33 quad is about the same price as the 3.0 woodcrest.
So... are we looking at a full 8-core line-up for mac pros, ranging in clock speed from 2 to 2.66?
If so, should I call apple and cancel my order for the 2.66 mac pro I placed last week? I still haven't received confirmation for shipping so I guess I can cancel until then.
Or do you think that they will use single quad core processors instead of two dual cores to reduce the price? And then have the option of having dual quad-cores as a top of the range model?
Any advice would be most welcome!
**runs screaming from the building**
We At The 8-Core Thread Have Been Saying WAIT Since Last August
We have been telling you over on the 8 Core thread not to buy a 4 core Mac Pro. You even bragged to us how you gave up waiting this week Tuesday night on your post 360 over there.
We 8 Core faithful have been lobbying anyone who would listen that there is a good reason to wait for the Oct Mac Pro. If you take the time to read many of the 361 posts at the 8-Core Mac Pro In January?... thread, you would understand why. It's a long story. Bottom line is you will get a lot more bang for your bucks by waiting for an Oct Mac Pro (OMP).
They're not being held back. They're in parallel final development between firmware in the hardware and software in the system. You also have to take into account that Clovertown processors and their Stoakley-Seaburg support chips are only just now beginning to ship in quantity. So all the parts are just now arriving and still about to arrive at the assembly plants in China.
Maybe. We don't know. That's one of many reasons we're still waiting. What we don't know could hurt us if we don't.
You should do that in any case. Buying a 4 core MP is not wise right now if you can live without it for a few more weeks. It's less than 8 weeks to the opening of NAB expo April 16.
We don't know. You mean Kentsfield? That would not be a Mac Pro unless they decide to make a Mac Pro Jr. They're not going to offer single Clovertown systems if that's what you're asking.
And you think we're not?And then have the option of having dual quad-cores as a top of the range model?
We have been telling you over on the 8 Core thread not to buy a 4 core Mac Pro. You even bragged to us how you gave up waiting this week Tuesday night on your post 360 over there.
You can return an unopened Mac at Apple's expense with full refund if you phone them to tell them you want to cancel the order.Any advice would be most welcome!
**runs screaming from the building**
We 8 Core faithful have been lobbying anyone who would listen that there is a good reason to wait for the Oct Mac Pro. If you take the time to read many of the 361 posts at the 8-Core Mac Pro In January?... thread, you would understand why. It's a long story. Bottom line is you will get a lot more bang for your bucks by waiting for an Oct Mac Pro (OMP).
I have been waiting for awhile for a mac.
(Actually bought one before moving to Europe, but gave it back before the move) Its been almost 2 years. ;-)
I know, different strokes for different folks...depends on your 'needs'.
But for me, I have been waiting for:
- Complete transition to Intel machines
- leopard
I do not want a machine before Leopard...as I want the 'optimized' one.
I do not want leopard when it first comes out. (remember one of the OS Xs a few years back, that I wish I had waited.)
Again, this is not the 'best stragegy' now for me...it is...at this time.
In fact, I may even delay it till late next year. I have to admit, my powerbook is growing rather old, and this year I am noticing its lack of 'power' as basic things require faster CPU and more memory. (of course Im with the memory that came with the powerbook, and we know not long ago...it was not much...256k)
Now some may laugh, as this is in the Final Cut forum.
I came from a company where I set them up with editing systems, and spent quite a bit of money. Im in the 'independent' / 'sabbatical' stage now.
So, as mentioned, if you have the money to upgrade every year or so...it doesnt really matter... ;-)
But, I would thought that most people, if they could have, would have waited on purchasing until the release of Leopard with upgraded machines.
Again, thats just my way of looking at it.
Enjoy what you have.
Peace
dAlen
You have anything to back this up, multimedia?
Didnt find anything supporting that from the apples site.
I asked if i could update my FCP 2 EDU to FCP 5 studio,for the said 699, and some confused person at apple said it is not possible.
So,is it possible to upgrade a FCP 2 EDU to anything?
Aren't the Educational and Full Retail editions exactly the same?? Its just the license thats different. So you could just upgrade to 5.1 from the "upgrade from Final Cut Pro 1/2/3" on the apple store.
EDIT: Actually I was just looking on the U.S. Apple Store site, and it does say that "Academic and not-for-resale versions of Final Cut Pro 1, 2, or 3 are not eligible for this upgrade."
Although there is no mention of this on the Australian Apple Store site.
If you're still a student you could just buy the full Academic version for the same price.
The Fine Print In The 4/4.5 to 5.1UB Offer Form Lists Academic Versions As Elegible
My bad.
No it isn't. You waited too many years. I guess the last chance to go up from old academic is from 4/4.5 to 5.1 UB FCS. The upgrade form clearly states that academic versions are included.
Owners of academic 1, 2 & 3 are exempt. I guess that's the penalty for waiting all these years. I paid $300 for academic 3. Academic 3 to Commercial 4 was $50. Now academic and commercial 4 to commercial 5 UB is $199.
But I guess academic PPC 5 just went to academic 5.1 UB FCS and will get no break to go to 6 other than buying 6 at the academic price. Oh well. Sorry about that.
You will just have to buy 5.1 or 6 at the academic price. I guess that's incentive for all the old owners of 1, 2 or 3 academic to wait for 6 academic.
Sorry for the stridency of my pitch. My enthusiasm for the $199 deal from 4 and PPC parts of 5 clowded my vision and caused me to overlook the problem with older academic versions and not understand the older 1, 2 & 3 academic versions are all at a dead end and have been since Summer 2003.
So academic 4/4.5 are the only versions allowed to go to 5.1UB FCS for only $199 now. All the earlier versions were too back in the day, but there was a window for you to exercise that option that closed when the 3 to 4 for $50 offer ended in early Summer 2003. That offer was made at the April '03 NAB as part of the 4 introduction and ended only a few months later. You had to be on top of the offer to realize that might be the last time you could graduate to 4 for almost no money.
In Fact:
When Apple offered 3 to 4 for $50 4 years ago in the Spring of 2003, I thought that was an offer no one could refuse and bought academic 3 for $300 at the last school store I could find in California that still had a copy left 200 miles south of me a week before the offer deadline. I figured anyone in academia knew to exercise that $50 or $350 option at most. Wasn't the cost of 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 also very low? As I recall it was.
My long winded excuse. Here's the history of Final Cut Pro if you want to study all the timelines.
Whoops.
My bad. No it isn't. You waited too many years. I guess the last chance to go up from old academic is from 4/4.5 to 5.1 UB FCS. The upgrade form clearly states that academic versions are included.
Owners of academic 1, 2 & 3 are exempt. I guess that's the penalty for waiting all these years. I paid $300 for academic 3. Academic 3 to Commercial 4 was $50. Now academic and commercial 4 to commercial 5 UB is $199.
But I guess academic PPC 5 just went to academic 5.1 UB FCS and will get no break to go to 6 other than buying 6 at the academic price. Oh well. Sorry about that.
You will just have to buy 5.1 or 6 at the academic price. I guess that's incentive for all the old owners of 1, 2 or 3 academic to wait for 6 academic.
Sorry for the stridency of my pitch. My enthusiasm for the $199 deal from 4 and PPC parts of 5 clowded my vision and caused me to overlook the problem with older academic versions and not understand the older 1, 2 & 3 academic versions are all at a dead end and have been since Summer 2003.
So academic 4/4.5 are the only versions allowed to go to 5.1UB FCS for only $199 now. All the earlier versions were too back in the day, but there was a window for you to exercise that option that closed when the 3 to 4 for $50 offer ended in early Summer 2003. That offer was made at the April '03 NAB as part of the 4 introduction and ended only a few months later. You had to be on top of the offer to realize that might be the last time you could graduate to 4 for almost no money.
In Fact:
I got 5 FREE copies of Final Cut Express that way. Upgrades from those to the current Final Cut Express 3.5 HD UB is only $99. PM me if you want to buy one of those from me.From The History fo Final Cut Pro Wikipedia Page said:
When Apple offered 3 to 4 for $50 4 years ago in the Spring of 2003, I thought that was an offer no one could refuse and bought academic 3 for $300 at the last school store I could find in California that still had a copy left 200 miles south of me a week before the offer deadline. I figured anyone in academia knew to exercise that $50 or $350 option at most. Wasn't the cost of 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 also very low? As I recall it was.
My long winded excuse. Here's the history of Final Cut Pro if you want to study all the timelines.
They're not being held back. They're in parallel final development between firmware in the hardware and software in the system. You also have to take into account that Clovertown processors and their Stoakley-Seaburg support chips are only just now beginning to ship in quantity. So all the parts are just now arriving and still about to arrive at the assembly plants in China.Maybe. We don't know. That's one of many reasons we're still waiting. What we don't know could hurt us if we don't.You should do that in any case. Buying a 4 core MP is not wise right now if you can live without it for a few more weeks. It's less than 8 weeks to the opening of NAB expo April 16.We don't know. You mean Kentsfield? That would not be a Mac Pro unless they decide to make a Mac Pro Jr. They're not going to offer single Clovertown systems if that's what you're asking.And you think we're not?
We 8 Core faithful have been lobbying anyone who would listen that there is a good reason to wait for the Oct Mac Pro. If you take the time to read many of the 361 posts at the 8-Core Mac Pro In January?... thread, you would understand why. It's a long story. Bottom line is you will get a lot more bang for your bucks by waiting for an Oct Mac Pro (OMP).
Yup! Shame on me for being so impatient
I cancelled just now - I lost 10% on the "free" ipod nano - but I can live with that.
I have a split personality - the evil me was bragging about ordering the quad core, while the good me wanted to keep waiting for 8 cores and Leopard!
Snatch It Up If You Don't Have The $199 Way
Get it while it's hot. That's a steal. Could be resold for $599 easy.we have fcs 5.1 at our uni for 399 bucks.. it is kinda cheap...
ThinkSecret believes that Final Cut Pro 6 will finally make its debut at NAB, which takes place April 14-19. The software was originally expected at last year's NAB which instead saw the release of the 17" MacBook Pro
Lastly, ThinkSecret reports that the high-end Final Cut Extreme targeting Avid users will also make its debut at NAB. Little is known about the product at this time, but it is said to be a hardware and software solution with a pricetag near $10,000.
Wow, that is steep. I was planning to make my own version of Lord of the Rings (I found Jackson's to be sparse and inadequate) and was counting on some affordable tools to make that possible. This likely pushes that project outside my budget.
I'm pretty close to purchasing Final Cut Express HD... does this rumor pertain to this product as well? If so I guess I should hold off, huh?
This signals to me Leopard is nearly ready.
Why would you bring out an app that needs Core Animation if you don't have an operating system with Core Animation to run it on?
That would make no sense, unless FCP 6 is only going to be demoed and not released, but the TS article definitely says released.
Why would you bring out an app that needs Core Animation if you don't have an operating system with Core Animation to run it on?
That would make no sense, unless FCP 6 is only going to be demoed and not released, but the TS article definitely says released.
Why does it seem like all Apple software is waiting for Leopard? Is Core Animation really going to be that necessary? But then again, we can still use iLife '06. We have just been trained to want new versions of software every couple of months.
Anyways, $10,000 is a lot. I hope it'll come w/ a Power Mac G16 or something!
I know this is a little off topic, but I hope they announce a 30th Anniversary Mac. I just got a 20th Anniversary one from eBay. Very cool design. Maybe that's what the $10,000 hardware thing is! Remember that the TAM was originally $9,999 or something.
Anyways, $10,000 is a lot. I hope it'll come w/ a Power Mac G16 or something!
I know this is a little off topic, but I hope they announce a 30th Anniversary Mac. I just got a 20th Anniversary one from eBay. Very cool design. Maybe that's what the $10,000 hardware thing is! Remember that the TAM was originally $9,999 or something.
FC 5.1 is a very deep program. Just look at the size of the manuals. There's a lot to learn. As long as it's universal, I'll be using 5.1 for a long time. Pair it up with Motion and it's beyond what most people need for pretty much anything. It'll work in Leopard, too.
I'm wondering what Apple's been up to with their Shake engine. Seems ever since they dropped the price and development it's been destined for something else... maybe we're about to see what?
Absolutely. Shake was and is an incredible program. I'm sure Apple is incorporating Shake technologies into further products.
Again, FCP Extreme is not a consumer product. A 30th Anniversary Mac might be nice, but it isn't at all what a post production facility is looking for.
What do you think i would get if i were to sell my edition? I have all manuals etc.. $400/500
I think first i should see if it will run on my iMac lol
I think first i should see if it will run on my iMac lol
