There are plenty of "professionals" using FCPX; Premier fans are just louder. The majority of people are using Avid.
Yes you are. I have the “trash can” and have upgraded it several times. I don’t understand all the hate for that machine. I now have 64 gb of RAM and a 1 tb SSD installed. I upgraded incrementally over the years as I needed to and it’s still working great. FCPX is a joy to use on it.Apple for some bizarre reason banned post purchase upgrading, the trash can mc pro was not upgradeable....
Am I missing something?
Yes you are. I have the “trash can” and have upgraded it several times. I don’t understand all the hate for that machine. I now have 64 gb of RAM and a 1 tb SSD installed. I upgraded incrementally over the years as I needed to and it’s still working great. FCPX is a joy to use on it.
I see Premiere as a comfort zone for many people. Like so many Adobe products, it works the same old familiar way as it always has. FCPX is approaching editing from a different direction. It took me a while to get familiar with its workflow but now I can’t imagine going back to the old way.
It may be too late for Apple to regain prominence, I know a lot of people in the industry who bailed to Adobe Premiere in the last 2 years. Our company just moved about 40 FCP seats to Premiere this year. Unfortunately the botched Final Cut X rollout created sticky negative preconceptions about the product that persisted long after Apple fixed and improved much of it.
I think Apple doesn’t have “the industry” in mind when creating this. Look at how high it ranks in the Mac App Store suggesting they (Apple) sells plenty. I think it is more for the YouTube, Vimeo and home movie crowds and not to create Hollywood millon dollar movies.
Wait, hold on hold on hold on...Every 5 years my media group changes out systems. 2012's MacPro upgrade that wasn't really an upgrade was the last straw. My Apple systems went to the render farm. Now in 2017 we view the upcoming iMac Pro as to little too late. It serves us no purpose. In 2 weeks when i'm finished building the new threadripper boxes, our existing workstations will completely replace the Macs in the farm. We'll be a WinLin system front to back.
"""It may be too late for Apple to regain prominence, I know a lot of people in the industry who bailed to Adobe Premiere in the last 2 years. Our company just moved about 40 FCP seats to Premiere this year. Unfortunately the botched Final Cut X rollout created sticky negative preconceptions about the product that persisted long after Apple fixed and improved much of it."""
I beg to differ . . . https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/in-action/focus/
Hopefully they fix the issue with FCPX crashing on External Displays since High Sierra upgrade before this! FCPX dead in water.
Lol, do you even know what you're talking about?Yes exactly, that is called post purchase upgrading, you upgrade after the initial purchase of the device, this was the idea of the cheesgrater, the macbook pro, with it's replaceable battery and RAM underneath..It was such a great idea, you bought 2GB RAM and then later, upgraded the RAM, or in the cheesgrater, changed everything, as it should.
Apple for some bizarre reason banned post purchase upgrading, the trash can mc pro was not upgradeable, then the mcbookpro was shown the same bizarre love, then the new 2017 imac and mac pro will be totally BTO...BTO is bad...
In the field you need power, both internal and external, you need to drive the laptops hard, editing, and this consumes power, in the old days, with FCP classic, you could switch out batteries, sure the app itself did not benefit from more RAM, being locked down to 2GB RAM, but email, other tasks, having more RAM helped...
Now in 2017 we have a device that is fixed to 8GB RAM [or 16GB] and fixed battery life, and if that runs out, you are **** out of luck...How in a decade is that progress..unless negative progress is what you desire....
No post purchase upgrading is the bullet to the heart of Apple, Tim Cock is the only one on the planet that can make the decision to end the ban of post purchase upgrading, the industries that use power mac hardware are simply mute and I wonder why...???
Am I missing something? Is post purchase upgrading bad???
It may be too late for Apple to regain prominence, I know a lot of people in the industry who bailed to Adobe Premiere in the last 2 years. Our company just moved about 40 FCP seats to Premiere this year. Unfortunately the botched Final Cut X rollout created sticky negative preconceptions about the product that persisted long after Apple fixed and improved much of it.
Lol, do you even know what you're talking about?
The iMac can be upgraded nowadays,
No, but I remember when a bad battery (which still happens, btw) didn't mean you had to have your whole laptop disassembled or replaced because it was easily replacable.Also, remember when powerbooks caught on fire for the stupid reason of having removable batterys?
I'd say for about the last ten to fifteen years, most people upgraded the RAM in MBPs to the maximum right after purchase. I know, I did so. I also never replaced the battery in any of my laptops, and even if I were to, I can let Apple replace the battery in your MBP for a reasonable price. I actually had two batteries for my first laptop, I essentially never used the second battery.Yes exactly, that is called post purchase upgrading, you upgrade after the initial purchase of the device, this was the idea of the cheesgrater, the macbook pro, with it's replaceable battery and RAM underneath..It was such a great idea, you bought 2GB RAM and then later, upgraded the RAM, or in the cheesgrater, changed everything, as it should.
I got the Apple-certified Samsung on Amazon, and got a pretty good deal on it. Then I sold the original 512 gb SSD, so I ended up paying relatively little for the 1 tb.What SSD did you buy?
Except for a memory card on tablets, what other MP3 players and tablets are post-upgradable? Or while we are at it: What smartwatches and Bluetooth head/earphones allow post purchase upgrading?That is not the point, the point is, Tim Cock has banned post purchase upgrading, of all devices, from iPods, through iPads.
So, outside the video editing market, are iMacs also a no-no for all other corporate buyers?No matter how good FCPX is or becomes Apple simply won’t regain mass videographer market share without a classic upgradable desktop, much less an all-in-one. Corporate buyers see the risk in proprietary locked-down everything.
Yep, we install iLife 09 for imovie that worked very well.Seems to be their MO these days: "boldly" strip a piece of software down to the bare bones and then re-add things as people complain about them. I used to rely on Keynote at a previous job, and had to hold onto the iWork '09 version for quite a while after the next version came out because they had broken some key features and functionality. It was (mostly) recovered over subsequent versions, but it was a rough transition.
I sometimes hear about people still carefully preserving their old Final Cut setups just because FCP X was so badly botched at release. (I personally am not a video editor so I actually found it vastly easier to deal with than the old version -- but I digress).
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"Lol" the 5K iMac has user-accessible RAM slots. The smaller one has it soldered in, not at all upgradable. And good luck upgrading the hard drive on either one.
No, but I remember when a bad battery (which still happens, btw) didn't mean you had to have your whole laptop disassembled or replaced because it was easily replacable.
No matter how good FCPX is or becomes Apple simply won’t regain mass videographer market share without a classic upgradable desktop, much less an all-in-one.
No matter how good FCPX is or becomes Apple simply won’t regain mass videographer market share without a classic upgradable desktop, much less an all-in-one. Corporate buyers see the risk in proprietary locked-down everything. Certain Mac-centric niche studios may like the iMac Pro but I can’t see it reaching a wider audience than the trash-can Mac Pro.
At this point we should be thankful Apple is still supporting and developing FCPX. I see it as an attractive option for amateur and prosumer users such as the YouTube set. Maybe even indie film makers.
The color wheel is a great upgrade. Hdr support is huge. Wish they upgraded h265 in fcp at the same time they did imovie.
Considering how many years we've been waiting for something as essential as HEVC, it's clearly very difficult.Is it really too hard for a multi billion dollar company to make Final Cut Pro X app for iPad pro?
Yes you are. I have the “trash can” and have upgraded it several times. I don’t understand all the hate for that machine. I now have 64 gb of RAM and a 1 tb SSD installed. I upgraded incrementally over the years as I needed to and it’s still working great. FCPX is a joy to use on it.
I see Premiere as a comfort zone for many people. Like so many Adobe products, it works the same old familiar way as it always has. FCPX is approaching editing from a different direction. It took me a while to get familiar with its workflow but now I can’t imagine going back to the old way.
Wait what? Another upgrade included in the perpetual (one-time) price? Madness!
Found your points interesting. I think about the future of X86 and wouldn’t surprise me if at some point we will see a unification of using the ‘A’ series chips across the board. As we know Apple historically do like RISC based processors.Condsidering they went with it for so long I consider any change at this point to be very vast and to come with structural changes to the underlying platform...
Now you could be arguing for days how that may pan out, I think ultimately it's going to be dictated by practicability.
If the move for Mac to ARM were to happen it's going to see a uniform access to apps for both macOS in the form of macOS allowing access to "iOS apps" as a feature, later on both might get merged with each becoming optional "universal binary" options for the developer.
Now, personally I think the x86 platform offers way too much edge over ARM which is part of the RISC family of processors (where the hint is in the name - Reduced instruction set computer).
However, with the recent moves by Apple I'd be hardly surprised to seem them go this way.
Maybe as a co-processor?
Either way... That might be the time when they make a new name rise above the trusted X "brand".
Another guess from mine is that they might push any drawbacks to later releases...
Examples:
x86 Support will likely remain existent natively to the first couple of generations until "app support" advocates ARM as single-support architecture.
Apple might be wisely advised to heavily Incentivize devs to at least "also support" ARM during the first few releases. (It'll be extremely exciting to see Parallel's and VMWare's moves)
Once that's done they can claim the new gen of Macs has 9x% support of "Mac App Store apps" support (another case of tough **** for legacy lovers... there will be "legacy x86" support in the form of a "Rosetta"-style implementation)
I'll be very blunt with you guys, I don't want any of this to happen. I've long considered my future Mac putchases to be mostly home office-level purchases. Heavy [x86] tasks will likely mostly be relegated to Windows on a self-built machine because beefy raw computing and gaming doesn't necessarily require Mac these days for my tasks.... Hell even my Adobe alternative Affinity Photo and Designer launched for on Windows...
It's not the same, but as a semi-professional I need to keep my spendings in check. Maybe Mac Pro will remain x86-ARM hybrid, but I really fear that we might see a shift to ARM in Mac.
Maybe i3 to keep basic x86 compatibility for Bootcamp and easy Parallels and VMWare suppport as well as legacy and pro apps support on some level...
All just guesswork. Felt like doing a good old type down though. Looking for open discussion!
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Notice / tl;dr: I'm drunk, should be light minded, still came to MR and felt inspired to share my thought about the platform / ecosystem that re-ignited a new joy in computing in me over 10 years ago. I really love Mac, iOS (as limited as it may be... Maybe one day we get the optimal mix of Android's openness and iOS's privacy) and anything else Apple [that they still offer... ugh]