Final Cut Pro X 10.4 Coming Later This Year With Improved Color Tools, HEVC and VR Support

[Msivyparrot]

As I see it, there are 2 types of users that would need high end devices, those that work alone, and those that work in huge institutions with dedicated trained geeks...

Apple needs to cater I feel to both, the "pro" range needs an overhaul, the "pro" range should as a matter of course have parts that can be replaced in house, and not be soldered and glued to the point it is garbage...

The old macs had many parts that could be changed, video boards, RAM, hard drives, and so on..This was huge, as yes things changed, but if Apple allowed post purchase upgrading, then those involved in video boards, RAM, would be able to design for upgrading, it makes sense from a "green" point of view, keep my laptop screen, keyboard, maybe donate the replaced parts, and have a device lasting a few years longer, that could generate income so that I can buy up, from a crappy laptop to an imac to a mac pro...

Apple is not thinking long term, actions have consequences, Apple by not allowing or not designing my laptop to be post purchase upgrade has made it impossible to use the laptop professionally when the website said 8GB was OK to edit, thye did not say with 8GB admittedly.. it says pro so I assumed pro meant better than air...

I would gladly pay towards a class action..I feel Apple sold a lemon, dressed as an apple...It is a hunk of junk, if they, Apple, upgraded the RAM from 8 to 16GB, that might have helped, I suspect the video board is junk...

 

[Kal-037]

At the Final Cut Pro X Creative Summit, which includes a visit to Apple's Cupertino Campus, Apple announced the next version of its video editing software aimed at professionals, Final Cut Pro X 10.4. Details about the announcement were shared on Twitter by FCPX experts Peter Wiggins, Alex Gollner, and Richard Taylor, giving us a hint of what's coming later this year.

Image via Richard Taylor​

The update will include new color tools, like color wheels and a white balance picker, with new controls for the color board. It will include support for HEVC, the new video format introduced in iOS 11 and macOS High Sierra, and direct import of iOS for iMovie timelines. The new version of the software will support VR and HDR workflows.

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Apple shared several demos of the new version of Final Cut Pro X in action, including an 8K timeline on the new iMac Pro.

No specific release date for Final Cut Pro X 10.4 was announced, but Apple did say that it's coming before the end of 2017. Final Cut Pro X can be downloaded from the Mac App Store for $299.99. [Direct Link]

(Thanks, Olivier!)

Article Link: Final Cut Pro X 10.4 Coming Later This Year With Improved Color Tools, HEVC and VR Support

Wish there was a version that could be used on iPad Pro.

 

[Msivyparrot]

What I cannot understand is Apple hatred of on board expansion devices, such as an SD Card, or something new, that is of the ilk of the SD Card, that would take the ipad pro into a new creative use space...Then a ios version of Final cut makes sense....Without some sort of on board storage, the ipad is useless, unless it is used as a keyboard replacement, and you use the ipad to control the laptop, maybe for folks that need adaptive assisted devices to edit, and some of these folks are brilliant editors!!!

I have said it before Tim Cock's only function professionally at Apple is to generate income for his bosses, and if he feels development costs too much, and would not generate income, then he has to cut back on development, rebadging is cheaper than actual development...So an air and pro..just change the names, and people will buy...and that they have...

Will Apple innovate into the future...No..that would not generate income for the shareholders, so there is zero pressure on partner Intel to develop, Intel knows it has no worries about what it brings to Apple, and this is obvious...The slow pace of product replacement, and then to hear Dell has this, some crappy pc supplier has this, and it is usually more than Apple...You have to wonder why is Apple so far behind???

What is wrong with having laptops with swop out parts? Having a mac pro that is built of parts, that can be exchanged and upgraded??? Why not have 2, one for users that use the laptop for writing love letters and one for creative that demand more power...

 

[REDolution]

Does the Surface laptop have an easily changeable battery and memory/SSD?

 

[MrNomNoms]

It may be too late for Apple to regain prominence, I know a lot of people in the industry who bailed to Adobe Premiere in the last 2 years. Our company just moved about 40 FCP seats to Premiere this year. Unfortunately the botched Final Cut X rollout created sticky negative preconceptions about the product that persisted long after Apple fixed and improved much of it.

Using such logic Google should give up with G Suite given that the largest demographic that uses it are small to medium businesses along with start ups. Keep in mind that they might have lost your organisation but they are going to gain on the other side - the new and emerging content creators of tomorrow and as those emerging content creators grow and develop so will Final Cut Pro X grow and develop to cater for that new customer base.

 

[Msivyparrot]

I will be the first to admit I thought Apple totally dropped a load of dog turd with FCPX10.0.0, but over the last 5 years, they have regained a growing following, but even so, Apple is not showing Final Cut much love, updates come so infrequently, then when they do, it is odd updates, things no one expects, and the bug list grows and grows, simple things that should have been fixed or even finished, remain bugs!!

Then they change everything, like they have with the "later this year" 10.4 update, then what happens, a long list of faults are found, so "this year" might be 6 months from now...making it already a long time since the last update..5 months!!!

Given FCP is a once off purchase , and updates are $0.00, hard to beat that, and the interface, when it works is way more efficient than the track based editing systems. What lets us down is the RAM and video card requirements of Final Cut, not all devices can handle the app, my retina macbook pro cannot, video card and way not enough RAM are huge problems.

Post purchase upgrading of RAM might have helped, but this laptop is not designed for that....That was not a technical decision but a financial one, there was no reason to design pro laptops to not have replaceable parts, I would so so so love to show Apple my love by being part of a worldwide class action, and this would be the 2nd time around..My previous mac laptop had so many parts replaced under the Ndvidia issue, I had no idea what was original...The power cord maybe???

 

[notrack]

Good to see.

 

[rixax]

We own a Livestream HD51 video recorder at ArrayTv.com that allows us to record 3 HD PTZ cameras. We then port the videos to FCP. With FCP 10.3 Apple stopped supporting the native AVI files livestream outputs. We had to go back to 10.2 otherwise spend hours converting the avi files to something 10.3 will read.
That's a drag.

 

[Msivyparrot]

You see that is exactly my issue..Apple does not listen to the users, apple just assume what apple thinks is best and the rest get stuffed...and that is simply a bad attitude to maintain...taking away the headphone jack, no sd card slots, sure remove the superdrive it was turd, ban post purchase upgrading, what is tim cock's agenda? The death of apple Inc???

Why not support AVi...yeah it is older than the raft Moses used...but still it is a viable video format, when the day comes, and no one uses avi, then 2 versions later remove it, but now..stupid!!! I wonder if that was a Wes Plate decision? Or if he said it was a bad idea??? Someone at apple needs to explain!!!

 

[v3rlon]

I am glad to see another free update to my favorite editor.

I see several posts (in numerous forums) about "I would gladly pay for... " [some program written to suit my personal workflow on my preferred hardware]. How much would you pay? What is stopping you? You can hire programmers as easily as Apple can. Have them write your app your way. Then, you can sell it on the App store and make even more money.

Now, if you argue that is not cost effective, why is it so hard to believe when Apple says the same thing?


Yeah, Apple dropped the ball on FCPX launch, but it wasn't as bad as the internet fury made it out to be (like bend gate, antenna gate, and so on). And, it has gotten MUCH better since. All the gripe about iMac, iMac Pro, and nMP overlooks the fact that these designs are based on what Apple sees. Most Professional desktops were not getting opened up like cheese grater Mac Pros. Most of the content is now 'on the network drive' instead of on Drive g:\. Don't be too narrow minded to see how the world has changed while you weren't looking.

Yes, there are advantages to the old ways. There are also advantages to the new ones. Spend at least as much time learning them as you do complaining about them.

 

[jayducharme]

How much, in total, have you now put into that trash can? Must be thousands!

Nope. I've spent a bit less than $1000 overall in upgrades, less than if I had ordered the Mac Pro fully spec'd out.

 

[haddy]

Nope. I've spent a bit less than $1000 overall in upgrades, less than if I had ordered the Mac Pro fully spec'd out.

About upgrades.......I have equiped my iMacs with Isotek Initium power cables. Our mains supply in NZ is very noisey and these cables have made the av on the machines so much better. Anybody on this board done similar?

 

[ChrisA]

My problem with FCPX is that they killed off Aperture. It means they could do the same with FCPX tomorrow. Apple is a cell phone company now and FCPX is a sideline for a sideline.

The other problem is these rumors about ARM based Macs. If that happens the "normal" Macs just would not do well with FCP and you would be forced to buy the $5,000 Mac to run FCP.

I think Apple's unpredictability causes buyers to not want to invest in their ecosystem. I know Adobe is a software company and software is not their sideline bussines and I know I will be able to buy a computer that can run Adobe software even years from now

I do use it but my experience with Aperture taught me to always keep an eye on the "exit door" and have an escape plan

 

[wesley96]

Lol, do you even know what you're talking about?
The iMac can be upgraded nowadays, and so can the iMac pro.

"Lol" the 5K iMac has user-accessible RAM slots. The smaller one has it soldered in, not at all upgradable. And good luck upgrading the hard drive on either one.

If you do not know the current state of the iMacs, I suggest you actually look things up. What diegov12 is claming is correct. The 2017 iMacs have user replaceable CPU, RAM, and storage. Both 21.5" and 27" types. I actually own a 21.5" iMac that I've personally upgraded the RAM from 8GB to 32GB, and storage from 1TB HDD to 4TB SSD after purchase.

 

[fox10078]

There are plenty of "professionals" using FCPX; Premier fans are just louder. The majority of people are using Avid.

Correct, 90% of jobs I see in LA are for Avid editors.

 

[Msivyparrot]

I don't have an imac. I have what I thought was a decent enough at the time, macbook pro laptop, it says pro on the box when I bought it, and I thought wrongly, hence my desire to partake of a well loved legal action, the class action, I thought a macbook PRO was better than AIR...It turns out that they are basically for all intents and purposes the same thing...A port here, a port there different, but in functionallity for what it was bought for, it does not not do what it is supposed to do...

The imacs here and there may have some internal replacement parts, that speaks volumes of Apple hatred of post purchase, to have it on some higher priced devices and not on others, that was not a wise decision, post purchase was banned for financial motives and not technical, a decade ago, post purchase upgrading was fine...

The problem Apple was in, was really 32bit, apps would be "locked" into a maximum of 2GB per app, so if you had 2 or 222GB RAM it mattered not to Final Cut, so Apple changed the app to 64bit, but somehow out of spite, did not adapt the hardware to match the new and improved "more than 2GB" RAM lock on new final cut...

Collusion between Apple and Intel, after all Intel have a fixed buyer, that is totally not interested in development, according to Moore's Law...we should actually be past 64Bit devices and into 128bit...but we are not...We are stuck in reality with rebadged 32bit devices crossdressing as 64bit...

Why limit hardware such as laptops, many users own, to 16GB RAM? FCPX is becoming a monster and 16GB will soon not be enough, yet Apple claim to be a "green' company, yet each iteration of FCPX requires a new machine, 10.4 so twitter says is HS only...Yet the best laptop is only capable of 16GB, and the demo apparently was on a totally specc'ed out imac pro..not a crappy 2013 retina macbook pro...

That speaks volumes, Apple were too scared to demo on less than the best....

 

[Bryan Bowler]

Apple is not thinking long term, actions have consequences, Apple by not allowing or not designing my laptop to be post purchase upgrade has made it impossible to use the laptop professionally when the website said 8GB was OK to edit, thye did not say with 8GB admittedly.. it says pro so I assumed pro meant better than air...

I would gladly pay towards a class action..I feel Apple sold a lemon, dressed as an apple...It is a hunk of junk, if they, Apple, upgraded the RAM from 8 to 16GB, that might have helped, I suspect the video board is junk...

This is a great example of what’s wrong with a lot of folks nowadays. They refuse accept responsibility for the decisions they make.

Apple offered a product that you chose to buy. They did not sell you a product before revealing the specs. The idea of a lawsuit is ridiculous.

 

[Msivyparrot]

Correct, 90% of jobs I see in LA are for Avid editors.

Yet the quality of work in snottywood is sub par... Mistakes in green screen, mistakes in continuity, color grading issues, look the jobs in snottywood might be there, but is LA the standard you want to be judged at??

FCPX is a growing brand, no question it has some value, what is obvious is Apple does not appreciate this, given the horrendous devices sold that "can edit" FCPX, the once a year updates, the growing list of bugs from 10.0 still in 10.3.4...Yet better is to come..better bugs???

Avid/Adobe and 10 000 other best buy 5 for a $ non linear editors all suffer from the same thing, track based editing, good or bad,Apple changed this for the "trackless" way of editing, which for me makes so much more sense....

If only Apple could pair this with better hardware, at least better designed hardware, then maybe...

For me I don't consider snottywood a standard worth anything.....
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This is a great example of what’s wrong with a lot of folks nowadays. They refuse accept responsibility for the decisions they make.

Apple offered a product that you chose to buy. They did not sell you a product before revealing the specs. The idea of a lawsuit is ridiculous.

I fully accept the decision I made, when I bought my mac it said 4 GB to edit FCPX, so I bought 4GB, then it was changed to 8/16BG, so I complained and it was changed not once, twice, to 8GB, that was all I could afford...

I am in South Africa, a country hated by Apple, no Apple legit here, on fong kon resellers, that push prices..so basically I pay 250% more for a device....It said Pro, I assumed it was better, look specs are just words and numbers, they mean nothing in reality, my previous mac handled fcp like a champ, once I upgraded the RAM....

Apple sold a load of dog turd dressed in a mink bag...simple...

 

[cfurlin]

It may be too late for Apple to regain prominence, I know a lot of people in the industry who bailed to Adobe Premiere in the last 2 years. Our company just moved about 40 FCP seats to Premiere this year. Unfortunately the botched Final Cut X rollout created sticky negative preconceptions about the product that persisted long after Apple fixed and improved much of it.

I use both and frankly, Premire is garbage. I hope Apple redeems themselves (in my eyes) with FCP so I can dump Premire ASAP.

 

[v3rlon]

My problem with FCPX is that they killed off Aperture. It means they could do the same with FCPX tomorrow. Apple is a cell phone company now and FCPX is a sideline for a sideline.

The other problem is these rumors about ARM based Macs. If that happens the "normal" Macs just would not do well with FCP and you would be forced to buy the $5,000 Mac to run FCP.

I think Apple's unpredictability causes buyers to not want to invest in their ecosystem. I know Adobe is a software company and software is not their sideline bussines and I know I will be able to buy a computer that can run Adobe software even years from now

I do use it but my experience with Aperture taught me to always keep an eye on the "exit door" and have an escape plan

My problem with Adobe is they are a RENTAL company. If they decide to quadruple their rates tomorrow, there isn't anything you can do about it. You can't even access your old content or continue to use the older version of the software. If their login servers go down (again), and for an extended period of time (a la Sony a few years back), you're just screwed.

If these rumors about them slashing development now that they have you locked into their subscription are true, we will all be paying for the rest of our lives for sub-par software.

Apple at least lets you buy software, and they have cell phone sales to prop up their Mac side should their be a downturn, unlike Adobe, whose only recourse is to raise rates.

Glass half empty- glass half full.

As far as it goes, I haven't seen anything vaguely credible about Mac going to ARM. I have seen a lot of people speculating. There are even ways in makes sense, especially for MacBook/Air type products. Honestly, I don't care what it runs on as long as it does it fast. What if Metal 3 shifts the dependency further to the GPU and away from the CPU? Then they go with some super fast A20 chip with 8 cores and a faster GPU to make it work? As long as we are in wild speculation mode, why not. Do you care if it is ARM, AMD, or Intel if it can render 30 minutes of 8K footage in a quarter the time of your previous workstation?

Finally, to anyone running a Hackintosh: Sorry, but you are not the client Apple is aiming for. You never were. Apple sells stuff with a tagline "It just works" for people who want things to "just work." People who do the gymnastics it takes to bring up a Hackintosh and keep it running through software update and flakey drivers are pretty much the opposite of this. There are a lot of Pro users who do not open their computers, ever. They have an IT department who solves those problems for them.

 

[Wonder Warthog]

My problem with Adobe is they are a RENTAL company.

That's why I stopped using everything Adobe from the day they announced that BS. I'm using FCPX for video editing, motion and some other smaller tools for animation, for illustration I'm using Affinity Designer, for image retouching Affinity Photo, I've been free of anything Adobe and couldn't be happier.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

I am in South Africa, a country hated by Apple, no Apple legit here, on fong kon resellers, that push prices..so basically I pay 250% more for a device....It said Pro, I assumed it was better, look specs are just words and numbers, they mean nothing in reality, my previous mac handled fcp like a champ, once I upgraded the RAM....

Apple sold a load of dog turd dressed in a mink bag...simple...

Apple does not “hate” countries. They try their best to sell their products in as many countries as they can.

Apple did not “sell a load of dog turd dressed in a mink bag”. You chose to buy an underpowered computer from a reseller without doing your due diligence first.

Hardware specs do mean something and I would suggest learning more before you purchase your next computer. There are lots of folks here that can help you navigate the waters and make good choices.

 

[Msivyparrot]

Hi Bryan..
I did my due diligence, that is why I bought an 8GB pro laptop...and not the cheaper AIR...I was even able to get it swopped when the requirements for FCPX changed...I was sold an non compliant laptop! Who knows if the specs on the website of Apple are truthful 100%.. Let's look...oh...my what does it say...???????

Um...something funny going on here.....it says what????? What...4 and 8GB...not a whisper about 16GB...what???? So you tell me looking at https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/specs/ I have an 8GB and FCPX does not work....oh well

 

[guzhogi]

Is it really too hard for a multi billion dollar company to make Final Cut Pro X app for iPad pro?

Wish there was a version that could be used on iPad Pro.

I admit, I'm not a video editor, but I don't see the iPad running as powerful as FCP X. I just don't see the iPad Pro having the CPU/GPU horsepower, the RAM, nor the storage to handle what the Mac version does. I imagine getting the footage onto the iPad would be rough as well. iCloud is limited to 2 TB, and wifi is probably too slow to access 4K footage in a reasonable time. I could see the iPad Pro as an ancillary device to a Mac, but not a full-time editor by itself. Like I said, I'm not a video editor, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Msivyparrot]

It can be done using a very highly compressed what is called "proxy" media in Final Cut Pro X, there is a great workflow on the fcp.co website. So from a technical point, getting the data onto the ipad/ipad-pro would be an issue, not quite sure how one would do that, airdrop? That is not very fast, but it does work, the problem is that the video file would be air-drop'ed into the photo's folder, would imovie see this? I don't have imovie on my ipad, mainly as it is so old, and so slow....

if only someone could invent something, something small, portable, that is universal, wait I am sure something like this has been innovated/invented/sold...what was it...it was square'ish, thin, wait...not sure.......sd card...maybe???? Oh my ipad does not have this sd card, strange, my cheap as rhubarb useless mobile phone has an sd card built into the back of it, next to the ?sim? card...at least that is what the manual calls them..sd card here, sim there...

This sd card, it works on my mobile phone like a small hard drive, maybe it would work on an ipad...surely they must have thought of this...after all I am old and not so well educated and I thought of it...maybe this sd card thing is stupid and broken...after all Apple is full of smart people...they think they are smart...[me not sure]