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Final Cut Studio Goes Universal
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batchthemighty said:
I crossgraded from Motion 2 and my pack had the disks only, and they are marked as crossgrade disks.
FCS Update At NAB Will Also Be Part Of The Low-Priced Upgrade Program Until Dec. 20
Trade-off is I keep working with "only" FCP 4.5 and DVD SP 3. But I think I can do that and remain productive for a few more months as this upgrade offer is pretty much a once in a lifetime ultra-low priced deal I would rather have the last version of all the parts since we are moving from Quad to Oct (8) cores next year. My main concern is to have code that is maximally optimized for 4 and more cores on both PPC and Intel Macs and with as many bug fixes and newer HDV cameras support as possible right before or as Leopard ships. So right now I think I will wait until almost the end of the offer time period to pull the trigger.
After the April 23rd Apple NAB press event I may change my mind. We are really all speculating in the dark until then.
I agree beerstine. Moreover, as the upgrade offer lasts until December 20, I believe those who wait to exercise their option will get the newer version on updated DVD Installers after it ships. That is my motivation for waiting until late this year when I feel that all the major updates to FCS that are going to happen this year are completed and on the install discs.beerstine said:
Trade-off is I keep working with "only" FCP 4.5 and DVD SP 3. But I think I can do that and remain productive for a few more months as this upgrade offer is pretty much a once in a lifetime ultra-low priced deal I would rather have the last version of all the parts since we are moving from Quad to Oct (8) cores next year. My main concern is to have code that is maximally optimized for 4 and more cores on both PPC and Intel Macs and with as many bug fixes and newer HDV cameras support as possible right before or as Leopard ships. So right now I think I will wait until almost the end of the offer time period to pull the trigger.
After the April 23rd Apple NAB press event I may change my mind.
We are really all speculating in the dark until then.
Apple didn't code FCP from the start. FCP started as a Macromedia product called Key Grip. Apple bought it from Macromedia. DVD Studio Pro is another application that Apple bought, as are iTunes and (I think) iDVD. The Apple label is no guarantee that Apple created it from the very beginning.Chupa Chupa said:
Adobe has an interest to help its customers stay productive.
So you'd rather that Apple give the UB version of FCS for free, or for $20-30 crossgrade rather than $50, and at the same time stop or push back development of subsequent FCS versions? And further, it's a bad thing that Apple may very well demo FCP 6 and so on at NAB 2006? Weird.digitalbiker said:
You're asking for a cost breakdown for Apple's FCS UB effort. Let's say it cost Apple $5 million to make FCS Universal.
FCS already has support for everything you just listed with three exceptions:beerstine said:
1. Canon's HDV is supported, just not the 24f option.
2. JVC's HDV is supported, just not the 24p option.
3. HD-DVD is supported in DVDSP 4, but BluRay Disc isn't.
Sony's HDCAM is already supported, as is Panasonic's DVCProHD (which the HVX200 records onto P2 or hdd), JVC's 720p30 HDV, Sony's 1080i60 HDV and Canon's 1080i60 HDV. Uncompressed SD and HD are already supported.
macrumors12345 said:
Hey, macrumors12345
Your logic there is a bit flawed I'd say. Not sure if anyone has told you but the reason the Powerbook was changed to mac book is because of the lack of a "Power" PC processor. Someone made a comment earlyer about how apple isn't doing the "power" thing anymore. Meaning no more PPC.
The PowerMac will be changed... I assume it will not have a "Power" PC processor in it.
- Chris Paddock
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This is disappointing. Are there any options to purchase the manuals ?
I am also upgrading from Motion 2 (academic) to the full studio
and have used some of the other programs in studio a little but would still consider myself very much a beginner and would have liked to have documentation to read. (like batchthemighty, I also dislike reading PDF's)
pashazade said:
This is disappointing. Are there any options to purchase the manuals ?
I am also upgrading from Motion 2 (academic) to the full studio
and have used some of the other programs in studio a little but would still consider myself very much a beginner and would have liked to have documentation to read. (like batchthemighty, I also dislike reading PDF's)
While it's true that all "Power Macs" have had PowerPC processors, the name "PowerBook" predates PowerPC chips.cjpadlock said:
PowerBooks without PowerPC chips, in chronological order:
PowerBook 100, PowerBook 140, PowerBook 170, PowerBook 160, PowerBook 180, PowerBook Duo 210, PowerBook Duo 230, PowerBook Duo 270c, PowerBook 165c, PowerBook 180c, PowerBook 145B, PowerBook 165, PowerBook Duo 250, PowerBook Duo 280, PowerBook Duo 280c, PowerBook 520, PowerBook 520c, PowerBook 540, PowerBook 540c, PowerBook 150, PowerBook 550c, PowerBook 190 and PowerBook 190cs.
The first PowerBook with a PowerPC CPU is the 5300. It was released in August 1995.
So, you have 23 examples over the course of 1991-1995 of Apple using the "Power" name without PowerPC CPUs. (source: http://www.apple-history.com)
Give me a break!
To all those who are angry that Apple is charging for the "crossgrade": what the heck are you complaining about?
If you have a copy of Final Cut Pro already, then presumably you also have a PPC Mac. If you recently purchased an Intel Mac, then, legally speaking, you should buy another (expensive) license to run the Final Cut software on that new Mac. In this case, Apple is charging a measley $99-$199 for users of previous versions of FCP and its components to upgrade to a universal binary version OF THE ENTIRE STUDIO SUITE!!! (except for the real old versions, which cost a $699 to upgrade). What are you people bitching about? I suppose you want Apple to simply give away versions of their pro software simply because you bought a new Intel Mac?
To all those who are angry that Apple is charging for the "crossgrade": what the heck are you complaining about?
If you have a copy of Final Cut Pro already, then presumably you also have a PPC Mac. If you recently purchased an Intel Mac, then, legally speaking, you should buy another (expensive) license to run the Final Cut software on that new Mac. In this case, Apple is charging a measley $99-$199 for users of previous versions of FCP and its components to upgrade to a universal binary version OF THE ENTIRE STUDIO SUITE!!! (except for the real old versions, which cost a $699 to upgrade). What are you people bitching about? I suppose you want Apple to simply give away versions of their pro software simply because you bought a new Intel Mac?
digitalbiker said:
Multimedia said:Don't give up your Dual 2 G5. Buy a Dell 24" wide for like $800 now. Or wait for the 17" MBP which will be faster and probably include ExpressCard/54 for much better expansion options. Better still, if you can swing it, get a Quad.
Basically what I was saying was that I am perfectly satisfied with the speed of my current system, but for various reasons I would rather have a system I could take with me. I figured with the money I got from the G5 and the 800 dollars I would need to set aside for the monitor, I could get a macbook. I guess I'll just wait for those benchmarks, but if I could replace this bulky monster with a smaller machine that ran as fast, I think I would go for it.
Come on
If Apple is coming up with FCP 6 at NAB, then *just wait*. Please. You guys get your panties in a bunch when a bit of patience will reveal the roadmap.
I suggest it's fanboys like *you* that expect Apple to act unlike every other company in existence.
Swallow hard, pay the $50, and be glad you'e not a slave to Microsoft's 5 year OS update debacle, and consider what a great product FCP is.
If Apple is coming up with FCP 6 at NAB, then *just wait*. Please. You guys get your panties in a bunch when a bit of patience will reveal the roadmap.
I suggest it's fanboys like *you* that expect Apple to act unlike every other company in existence.
Swallow hard, pay the $50, and be glad you'e not a slave to Microsoft's 5 year OS update debacle, and consider what a great product FCP is.
digitalbiker said:
bousozoku said:
I also prefer the pdf's but I'd highly recommend the Apple Pro Series training books. They are much more helpful than the supplied manuals.
I don't think we'll see FCP 6 for a long while. NAB will probably bring us a universal version of Shake.
emptybox said:
I agree, I've hardly glanced at the Motion Manual, I have been using the Apple Pro series books.
Two Training DVDs Come With The $199 Upgrade
Would someone please tell us what titles they are?
Two Training DVDs Come With The $199 Upgrade.emptybox said:
Would someone please tell us what titles they are?
Chupa Chupa said:
30 is OK but 49 is unreasonable? Seems like splitting hairs over $19. And for the record, Apple has been telling developers to switch to xcode for years, Adobe would be having a much easier time if they had listened.
Rod Rod said:
True. But "power" does remind people of PPC. And Jobs did say something to the effect of they're done with "power".
spice weasel said:
Not necessarily. Any time you buy a new machine, you can stop using the old one and transfer your software over. It should also be noted that the upgrade replaces the old license, it doesn't give you an additional one. Even if you upgrade, if you want to run on two machines, technically you'd still need to buy another (expensive) license.
cairo said:
Assuming FCS performs comparably to other apps (such as Logic), the dual G5's will perform about the same as the fastest intel macs. The quad will be the top performer, but if you don't go Quad you might as well just get a fast intel mac and save a ton of money. The one advantage the towers have for FCS is that you can put in a beefy video card, which will help performance on the FCS apps.
Anyone seen any FCS benchmarks yet?
Rod Rod said:
The Final Cut story is one that really amazes me time and time again - I had a pre-release version of Macromedia Key Grip that was distributed on one the Director Demystified CD-ROM's; I think it was version 6 [of the book that is!]. It's a shame I didn't install it especially as I now no longer posses said book... oh well!
And as for DVD Studio, I do believe the code was purchased from Sonic Solutions with the Windows version being killed off pretty much straight away; only to be resurrected in the form of Adobe Encore DVD [which is truly awful by the way!!].
Anyway, sorry to digress!!!
Bearing in mind this is FCS 5.1 what additions are we seeing [if this hasn't already been discussed]?
Bakey said:
There are various bug fixes and minor additions to the different apps, the lists are available from apple's website:
http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/
batchthemighty said:
Are you talking about crossgrade or upgrade? If it's the $50 upgrade, I wonder what happened to your orginal manuals?? They changed the code, not how the software works. Your manuals should still be viable, that is unless you don't have manuals because you "borrowed" the software? Why else would you need a new set of manuals? I'm surprised they are even offering PDFs. The only users who should get new manuals are those who are paying extra for a cross-grade from another product. To get manuals, you might consider buying the program or cross grading from a qualified program.
FCS 5.1 Is Full Of Many Major Bug Fixes, New Features and New Camera Formats Support
I've been looking over the FCS Late Breaking News pdfs and I've gotta say there are a really lot of bug fixes in this Universal Update. This is not just a 5.0.4 port to Universal at all. This is a full fledged bug fixed, additional features and new camera formats support major improvement in the whole set of FCS applications. Way to go Apple software engineers.
Thanks Milo.milo said:
I've been looking over the FCS Late Breaking News pdfs and I've gotta say there are a really lot of bug fixes in this Universal Update. This is not just a 5.0.4 port to Universal at all. This is a full fledged bug fixed, additional features and new camera formats support major improvement in the whole set of FCS applications. Way to go Apple software engineers.
Multimedia said:
I'll second that!
For me, personally speaking, the real point of interest is DVD SP; and it certainly looks like 4.1 addresses quite a number issues and further adheres to the HD-DVD spec somewhat more rigorously than previously - pretty much 'buzz' phrases for the moment in my world, but when the time comes...
Final Cut Pro 4.5 Runs Great On Dual Core & Quad G5 PowerMacs
Just had to share with you all that there is a simple hack to make FCP 4.5, Compressor and Soundtrack all run on the NON AGP Dual Core and Quad Core last generation PowerMacs. You simply
1. Right click or Contol+click on each application to "Show Package Contents".
2. Open the Contents folder.
3. Get Info on the "info.plist" file.
4. Change "Open with..." to "Property List Editor.app" which is burried somewhere in the bowels of OS X I know not where.
5. Double click on the "info.plist" document to get inside with the editor.
6. Highlight and then Press the Delete Button the lines that list processor minimum speed 350, type (G4) and AGP graphics.
7. Save.
8. Close everything.
9. They launch on Dual Core and Quad G5's like buttah.
This probably applies to DVD Studio Pro 3 as well. I am about to find out. Why am I still running the old FCP 4.5? Because I don't need the latest greatest and want to wait until December to order the last version of FCS that is shipping before the December 20 deadline for the $199 upgrade. I know all that can be done with updaters. But I'd rather just have the last version with all the Mac Pro bug fixes to date on my copies.
Just had to share with you all that there is a simple hack to make FCP 4.5, Compressor and Soundtrack all run on the NON AGP Dual Core and Quad Core last generation PowerMacs. You simply
1. Right click or Contol+click on each application to "Show Package Contents".
2. Open the Contents folder.
3. Get Info on the "info.plist" file.
4. Change "Open with..." to "Property List Editor.app" which is burried somewhere in the bowels of OS X I know not where.
5. Double click on the "info.plist" document to get inside with the editor.
6. Highlight and then Press the Delete Button the lines that list processor minimum speed 350, type (G4) and AGP graphics.
7. Save.
8. Close everything.
9. They launch on Dual Core and Quad G5's like buttah.
This probably applies to DVD Studio Pro 3 as well. I am about to find out. Why am I still running the old FCP 4.5? Because I don't need the latest greatest and want to wait until December to order the last version of FCS that is shipping before the December 20 deadline for the $199 upgrade. I know all that can be done with updaters. But I'd rather just have the last version with all the Mac Pro bug fixes to date on my copies.