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See, this is what I think is the inherent problem with FCP's media management. In order to keep everything organized, and especially when I'm working with multiple projects at the same time, I make a new folder on my hard drive PER PROJECT where I keep all my music, sfx, gfx, etc. and make a folder called FCP PROJECT. This is where I keep the Scratch Disk, Autosave Vault—everything from the System Settings.

It's easier organization, and it's much easier to find the things that pertain ONLY to your project than having to go into FCP Documents on your system hard drive and try to find exactly what you're looking for when you're working on eight projects at the same time.

Granted, this is how we do it because I'm a full service post house that runs Avids, FCP systems for offline and online editing—so the level of organization must be greater when handling that volume.

Obviously, for a prosumer user it shouldn't have to be the same. It's just something that my Avid has that makes things much more streamlined and easier to organize for high volume. But it's a good practice to get in the habit of doing, especially when working with FCP.

If apple would simply save the above settings as per project, it would solve 99% of their mm issues. When doing things your way it's great, until you forget to set up all the particulars. Then stuff gets scattered everywhere. Or worse, the next guy mixes his stuff with yours because they didn't bother to change the settings.
 
Maybe they'll make FCP able to export accurate EDLs....

Or revamp their lacking trim-mode....

Or allow users to "Apply to ALL" when setting scratch disks....

<sigh>

but probably not

OH DEAR GOD NO!!!! Yah let's just remove everything that makes Final Cut more intuitive than Avid.

No, I mean when you're in System Settings it should have a button you can click to apply the Scratch Disk, Waveform Cache, Thumbnail Cache, and Autosave Vault to ONE FOLDER instead of having to click "Set" for each one.

Actually, why can't FCP just be more like Avid....

:D

If you like Avid so much then why don't you just use Media Composer? For the rest of us that like not needing to be in Trim mode just to move or delete a clip, we'll stay with our Final Cuts, thanks.

-Brian
 
And how often do you do this? :)

I do that once everytime I install it. I.e. get a new Mac Pro. I.e. about every two years. Considering the entire installation can take a few hours, what's the 10 seconds it takes to set the 6-7 scratch disk settings?

I'll admit I'm constantly doing this because I have 3 separate hard drives that I use for different projects, so having the option to set a scratch disk per project would be nice, but yes, it's all of 10 seconds. Big deal.

you've got to wonder sometimes... :)

I'm not burning BluRay, and still got plenty to learn about FCS2, which I think is pretty brilliant. Especially together with Shake. Although I AM excited about "Phenomenon" a.k.a. "Apple's Shake", but most of all I look forward to Aperture 3.0 - now that can do with some developer love. Ad Snow Leopard and multi-core glory to all sorts of things. ArenÄt all these soon-coming things exciting? :) Go :apple:!

Those improvements would certainly be awesome. I am wanting to burn Blu-Ray as I have 2 HDV camcorders and would love to add Blu-Ray authoring to my list of services. Final Cut is a beast to learn, and I'm still learning parts about it, but new features are always nice to have.

-Brian
 
Delays in the pro apps are due to complete rewrites for Cocoa. They will 64 bit, and ready to take advantage of OpenCL and Grand Central when Snow Leopard arrives.

These delays were obvious and necessary, and certainly, if you have been following the Adobe Photoshop CS4 mini-debacle and Shake's rebuild, you would have been aware of this.

The real question will be whether the pro-apps will leap ahead of the various competitors.

As an aside, BD authoring support will be in FCS.

tom

Blu-ray is a MUST. If it lacks that, I'm not buying, simple as that.

-Brian
 
With this upgrade I wonder if they will take the opportunity to shut the door on new Mac Mini & Macbook users who planned on using FCS for cheap editing stations (by building in a "do not install" for 9400M-only GPU systems.)
 
The main problem with Final Cut (the current version) is that the mobile Intel processors are not powerful enough to run this software, you need at least a quad core to run this effectively.

I think Apple really messed up with their strategy of putting mobile processors in all their products and putting server class CPUs in the Mac Pro, and crucially omitting the standard desktop processors.

Excuse you? I'm running FCP 6.0.4 on a Rev. 1 17" MBP, and have been for the past 2 1/2 years. Right now I'm working on a 4-camera Multicammed project off of an eSATA drive via eSATA ExpressCard. I can watch it all in full-quality and real time. Even Motion works pretty well. Sure it's no Mac Pro, but I got a laptop knowing full well it's strength and shortcomings.

-Brian
 
I haven't even done much HD editing and compression. It's mostly SD content and frame controls are still glacial. The epic fail comes in when frame controls don't even work properly, like the blocks of combing I mentioned earlier on short clips. Inexcusable. Also, there is the bit with Compressor not giving pros enough encoding options, ie, the staggering lack of options for iPod encodes. I also use MPEG Streamclip and IT has more options for iPods than Compressor! Extra options often comes out to mean higher quality as you can tweak and adjust. FFMPEG has the best options (and speed, and quality of the encode) of the free encoders that I've tried thus far, but you do need to know what you're doing.

Compressor isn't exactly epic fail, but as a pro app, it's pretty piss poor in many regards. Distributed encoding is hella nice, but it's not much help if you either need more options or don't have a cluster.

Many editors I know swear by TeleStream's Episode now. They say it's fast, scalable, and has plenty of presets and custom controls for everyone. Sounds like Apple needs to make Compressor into a new Episode.

-Brian
 
Many editors I know swear by TeleStream's Episode now. They say it's fast, scalable, and has plenty of presets and custom controls for everyone. Sounds like Apple needs to make Compressor into a new Episode.

-Brian
I've used Episode. It's not bad. The deinterlacing algorithms are pretty good, but they do give you a significant quality hit. If they can address that, then it's great. They have a good number of options without making it needlessly complicated. I use it for bigger projects, but smaller encodes usually go through FFMPEG.
 
Too late to ask for new features... but here goes!

I'm hoping the new version will have upgraded all templates to 1080p. There is simply no reason to keep SD media. You can always down-res but going the other way is rarely acceptable.

Some simple 3D capability in Motion would be killer. It doesn't need to be a full CGI workstation. But allowing lights to cast shadows and automate reflections, allowing text and objects to interact in a true 3D environment with apparent thickness, not just a simulation... Being able to curve media.... that would be a great value.

Very interested in the the "Puppet" feature in After Effects.

A version of Premiere's transcription feature that actually works and is editable and exportable would be awesome.

The ability to deal with (or at least transcode and then deal with) MPG and MP3s is long over due. How strange that one has to harness the FREE iTunes and MPEGstreamclip apps to prepare media for a $1000+ application.

Of course, any improvement in the way the apps work together would be appreciated. I can't make Soundtrack work as advertised, the Motion roundtrip is often buggy without workarounds (like exporting to a QT movie) and the Color workflow is a space hog and counterintuitive. (How great would it be if the Color grades could be turned on and off like filters directly in the FCP viewer and only rendered upon export?)

Blue Ray? sure... why not... I use toast when it comes up... but it almost never does. DVDs are still ubiquitous and no client of mine has yet asked for a BR delivery or archive. Apple is a member of the Blue-Ray consortium but they haven't shown any interest in the format. They might know something we don't.

Fingers crossed for April. :)
 
A new storyboard program for FCS 3 and also usb and/or firewire support for Apple color going out to CC console hardware. Might include native RED editing straight to final cut as well.
 
FCP new version



AppleInsider reports that Apple is planning to release an update to their Final Cut Studio professional video editing package in late April, around the time of the annual National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) conference in Las Vegas.
Apple had been a regular participant at NAB, announcing a number of Final Cut Pro and Final Cut Studio releases there, put pulled out of the 2008 conference as part of their continuing shift away from trade shows and conferences.

Previous reports had pointed to a possible Final Cut Studio update at a rumored March 24th media event that had initially surfaced as a possibility for hardware releases. With the introduction of new iMacs, Mac minis and Mac Pros on March 3rd and yesterday's announcement of an iPhone OS 3.0 media event on March 17th, a March 24th event is looking increasingly unlikely.

Article Link: Final Cut Studio Update Due in Late April?

FInalCut Studio really needs an upgrade, I would think of:

Blu Ray authoring
Motion and Shake integration with advanced Fx's
Soundtrack and Logic better integration
Maybe a new bundled 3D software -Modo like- tool?
Compressor needs better render times using all cores
Color should work as a standalone solution (if possible)
DVDstudio pro NEEDS pro subtitling tools and DTS audio compression

I think also that this new version would need Snow Leopard and would eat lots of RAM. I've heard a couple of years ago that a FinalCut Extreme version was in it's works, How about 3 FinalCut flavors: extreme, pro and express??
 
I'm still learning FCS2, I'm glad they still care for the pro apps, I thought Apple just made phone software;)

Didn't you know ... the new final cut software will only make movies/video to be watched on a mac/:apple:tv/iPhone. You can then put it on the iTunes store as long as its in SD.:rolleyes:

But seriously maybe this will include some blue ray support? ;)
 
Collective Opinion AND First Hand Experience

It all depends on what you cut and for whom.Here is the hierarchy of NLEs based on quality (from collective opinion AND from first hand experience)

iMovie
Vegas
Premiere
Avid Media Composer
Final Cut
Avid Nitris
Smoke


Before you make a broad statement like that about "collective opinion" maybe you should support your findings....

How in the world could you ever put Final Cut BEFORE Avid Media Composer on your "hierarchy?" Final Cut can't even make accurate EDLs and cut lists. Not until v6.0 was FCP able to make OMFs for Pro Tools without having to run it through Automatic Duck!

Just because Avid Media Composer might be a little more difficult to learn for the film school kids used to their drag-and-drop mentality of FCP and because it forces you to think like a film editor, doesn't mean it's a worse NLE than FCP.
 
It's needed. Waiting any longer would mean killing the Mac platform for professional video editing. But even if they update, I really hope it will be a good update. Not like the DVD Studio Pro remaining the same from FCS1 to FCS2.
 
If you like Avid so much then why don't you just use Media Composer? For the rest of us that like not needing to be in Trim mode just to move or delete a clip, we'll stay with our Final Cuts, thanks.

-Brian

You obviously don't know how to move or delete a clip in Avid then....

I DO use Media Composer. But I also use FCP. It depends on the project. For the time being, I would NEVER consider cutting or assisting on a feature film shot on 3 and 4 perf 35 and S-35mm film on FCP. There's too many inherent problems with FCP's media management, metadata tracking, and EDLs and cutlists to use it for something of that caliber of a project.

However, FCP shines on easy imports and easy exports. When you need to do a quick project that needed to get done yesterday, it exceeds all expectations. The difference essentially is in the project. Would I use FCP to do a feature film? NO. Would I use FCP to cut music videos, industrial videos, and some docs, YES.

I'm not trying to be out here on this forum hating on FCP. I've been a FCP user for 10 years. However, I've just been waiting for a really long time (I learned FCP before I learned Avid) to have professional features be put into FCP and with every release FCP continues to disappoint. When are they going to stop making minor upgrades that only fix support for HDV formats and minor (under-the-hood) tweaks, and really give us an intuitive editor that takes the best of FCP and the reliability of Avid into one NLE?

THEN—they would have much more of the professional industry in their grasp.
 
Native AVC-HD editing would be nice so no transcoding has to take place.

The interface needs a facelift as well.

Also, Final Cut's "Open Timeline" is no where on par with Avid's.

I agree with the Avid comments above. Final Cut can really infringe on Avid if they can get their Media Management a little more stable. That seems to be the biggest complaint from feature film editors.
 
You obviously don't know how to move or delete a clip in Avid then....

I DO use Media Composer. But I also use FCP. It depends on the project. For the time being, I would NEVER consider cutting or assisting on a feature film shot on 3 and 4 perf 35 and S-35mm film on FCP. There's too many inherent problems with FCP's media management, metadata tracking, and EDLs and cutlists to use it for something of that caliber of a project.

However, FCP shines on easy imports and easy exports. When you need to do a quick project that needed to get done yesterday, it exceeds all expectations. The difference essentially is in the project. Would I use FCP to do a feature film? NO. Would I use FCP to cut music videos, industrial videos, and some docs, YES.

I'm not trying to be out here on this forum hating on FCP. I've been a FCP user for 10 years. However, I've just been waiting for a really long time (I learned FCP before I learned Avid) to have professional features be put into FCP and with every release FCP continues to disappoint. When are they going to stop making minor upgrades that only fix support for HDV formats and minor (under-the-hood) tweaks, and really give us an intuitive editor that takes the best of FCP and the reliability of Avid into one NLE?

THEN—they would have much more of the professional industry in their grasp.

This.
 
I'm really surprised to hear all the talk of Premiere on this thread. I'm not saying that my experience is universal, but I don't know a single editor using it. I work with about two dozen productions per year, and all but two (on Avid) are on FCP. All three studios that I'm friendly with have FCP and Avid.
I'm not saying it's not a good program, but just that in my experience it isn't being used professionally.
The user base of FCP editors is huge. Any studio can easily pull in a freelancer to work on a project if they're running FCP. Avid, smaller base, but generally more professional freelancers. Premiere? Honestly no idea because I've never heard of it happening.
I have CS4 which I use daily for Photoshop and After Effects, maybe I'll have to launch Premiere and check it out.
 
Shake Rewrite????

So is the Shake rewrite finally taking place? I'm learning Nuke now though Im a Final Cut user so I want something that integrates nicely.
 
For those that keep demanding Blu-Ray, are your clients actually asking you for it? If they are then why haven't you just bought a different NLE that does support it so that you can satisfy all those clients?
 
So is the Shake rewrite finally taking place? I'm learning Nuke now though Im a Final Cut user so I want something that integrates nicely.
There is no Shake rewrite. More Shake code will probably appear in FCP and/or Motion, but the odds of Apple making a true successor to Shake, a true competitor to Nuke, from the ground up are between slim and none on a good day.

For those that keep demanding Blu-Ray, are your clients actually asking you for it? If they are then why haven't you just bought a different NLE that does support it so that you can satisfy all those clients?
That's what people are doing, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't work out better if Apple offered up a more elegant solution.


Lethal
 
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