Final Cut Studio Update Due in Late April?

[nuckinfutz]

I'm curious to know where you stood when the image and video of the new Mac mini came out, were you a believer or a "faker"? I was unsure and made claims on both sides, but I leaned towards real because I know how much work would've needed to go into making the video look real. Here I am again waging my bet that the pro apps update will be influenced in some way by Snow Leopard. Do I think it will be Intel only? Yes. The MacIntels have been out now for more than 3 years, and if a pro isn't on a MacPro yet, well then speed obviously isn't their most important factor anyways. Do I think it will be Snow Leopard dependent? This is a tough one, but again I'm leaning towards yes. There's a running joke in my local FCPUG that says "Let Gary try it first because he can fix it." I used to go to the latest OS and FCP version as soon as I got my hands on it, but not anymore. I was told quickly to wait and let the bugs get hammered out. I went to Leopard in late January after it's release, so like 3 months later. By that point, at least 10.5.1 had come out, maybe 10.5.2 and several Pros online had now tested it and said it was safe to go there. So anyone besides Apple running FCP7.0 on a brand new 10.6.0 system better have a backup of their previous system drive or this better be a test machine. Apple will be using it and people will be reporting bugs, and in a month or so 7.0.1 and 10.6.1 will both be out and FCP users will then know that it's safe(r) to migrate to that. Maybe APple will delay shipment of FCS until August or even September if that means making it rock solid. Either way, I'm sure we'll enjoy what ships when all it said and done.

-Brian

Chalk me up with the people that thought the mini was real. It only made sense seeing as how Apple said the mini was till alive and the movement towards Nvidia chipset in the Macbook. The mini (which I own) is a great starter Mac and until the iMac goes Quad Core I think it's a better value for people that don't need gaming or higher end 3D performance.

I think Final Cut Studio 3 will be Leopard only but it may support PPC. Think about it from a developers perspective. You have Leopard that is going on its 7th revision. It contains no showstopper bugs and makes for a great platform to drop updates to Final Cut Studio, Logic Studio and Aperture. Then Apple can work on getting these apps ready for Snow Leopard.

Imagine the bug chase they'd have trying to debug a new NLE sitting on top of a new OS that is undoubtedly going ot have bugs itself. Recipe for disaster.

 

[iMacmatician]

Apples not going to tie a major revision of a large app like FCS 3 to an untested OS like Snow Leopard. They never have and never will.

And FCS 2 was released almost half a year before Leopard. Looks like the same thing may happen with FCS 3 and Snow Leopard, except that the time gap is a few months less.

 

[hsilver]

a plug-in solution for FCP's lack of project integration on scratch disks

FYI Those of you wanting FCS3 to do a better job of managing scratch disks for individual projects, in the interim, there is a plug-in called EM Scratch ($55.) at www.editmule.com that does what you're looking for. I haven't used it personally but if you are anxious to keep track of projects, it looks like it may answer your needs.

 

[IndaPooper]

I wish for better triming and media management in FCP 7 and my main wish - much better roundtriping between apps !!!

In addition I hope they finally rewrite the app and I really hope for fewer bugs then the last release - drove me crazy. Besides that - I am already happy.

Does anyone on this board actually *use* Final Cut Suite??? Do you mean trimming in the timeline? You've got ripple, roll and a live trimming window? What more do you need???

As for Media Management, this has never ever been a problem for me. I've consolidated very complex shows without a problem. You've got to pay attention to what you're doing, though. The problem with adding advanced features like the media manager is that so many idiot users don't take the time to learn the process and just screw everything up. They're the ones you see on support forums ranting about how terrible FCP's media management features are. They've been doing this for years now (some things never change).

And to all those that say roundtripping doesn't work, there are many possible reasons why it doesn't work for you. But I've never had a problem. I must be the luckiest guy in the world, because I don't encounter the problems these people do. The truth is, I learn the proper workflow and run well-maintained systems. If you're having problems, you've got to ask yourself why so many don't and solve your problems instead of just ranting about them.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Does anyone on this board actually *use* Final Cut Suite??? Do you mean trimming in the timeline? You've got ripple, roll and a live trimming window? What more do you need???

As for Media Management, this has never ever been a problem for me. I've consolidated very complex shows without a problem. You've got to pay attention to what you're doing, though. The problem with adding advanced features like the media manager is that so many idiot users don't take the time to learn the process and just screw everything up. They're the ones you see on support forums ranting about how terrible FCP's media management features are. They've been doing this for years now (some things never change).

And to all those that say roundtripping doesn't work, there are many possible reasons why it doesn't work for you. But I've never had a problem. I must be the luckiest guy in the world, because I don't encounter the problems these people do. The truth is, I learn the proper workflow and run well-maintained systems. If you're having problems, you've got to ask yourself why so many don't and solve your problems instead of just ranting about them.

You missed the point my friend.

Most of us having issues with the suite or certain aspects of it know it well. Well enough to find fault with those aspects.

For me, round tripping works great. But there are times when even my Mac Pro (at work) with 8GB of RAM will stall going from Motion to FCP. On my MBP it will just crash.

Many of us work with various NLEs during the day/week/month. As a freelancer, I cut on what the boss gives me. Prayerfully it's one of the big three (Adobe, Avid, Apple) and I can jump right in. When using multiple and varying apps, you see the strengths and weaknesses of them all.

Most of us know the proper workflow, and there's always room for improvement.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Does anyone on this board actually *use* Final Cut Suite??? Do you mean trimming in the timeline? You've got ripple, roll and a live trimming window? What more do you need???

As for Media Management, this has never ever been a problem for me. I've consolidated very complex shows without a problem. You've got to pay attention to what you're doing, though. The problem with adding advanced features like the media manager is that so many idiot users don't take the time to learn the process and just screw everything up. They're the ones you see on support forums ranting about how terrible FCP's media management features are. They've been doing this for years now (some things never change).

And to all those that say roundtripping doesn't work, there are many possible reasons why it doesn't work for you. But I've never had a problem. I must be the luckiest guy in the world, because I don't encounter the problems these people do. The truth is, I learn the proper workflow and run well-maintained systems. If you're having problems, you've got to ask yourself why so many don't and solve your problems instead of just ranting about them.

Good for you that you are happy with the apps as they are. Others are not that happy. Just don't upgrade.

I had many many crashes in Motion and on roundtriping and my system is very well maintained.

The main point of my post is that instead of adding many zippy and flashy new features I would like to that they get some of the basics right.

And yes - I mean trimming in the timeline - I think the new iMovie does this even better then FCP.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Does anyone on this board actually *use* Final Cut Suite??? Do you mean trimming in the timeline? You've got ripple, roll and a live trimming window? What more do you need???

Ever used the trim mode on the Avid? There is a reason why Avid users love it and why Avid users who migrated to FCP keep asking for it.

As for Media Management, this has never ever been a problem for me. I've consolidated very complex shows without a problem. You've got to pay attention to what you're doing, though. The problem with adding advanced features like the media manager is that so many idiot users don't take the time to learn the process and just screw everything up. They're the ones you see on support forums ranting about how terrible FCP's media management features are. They've been doing this for years now (some things never change).

The Media Manager tool is better than it used to be, but it's still a weak link in FCP. It didn't earn the nickname 'Media Mangler' in professional circles for nothing. Talk to almost anyone who uses FCP day in and day out and improved media management will be high on their request list of fixes. A better multiuser environment would be welcome as well. And the ability for FCP to properly play an interlaced video clip in reverse.

And to all those that say roundtripping doesn't work, there are many possible reasons why it doesn't work for you. But I've never had a problem. I must be the luckiest guy in the world, because I don't encounter the problems these people do. The truth is, I learn the proper workflow and run well-maintained systems. If you're having problems, you've got to ask yourself why so many don't and solve your problems instead of just ranting about them.

Round tripping between FCP and Color is ridiculously problematic.

The problem w/assuming that what works for you works equally well for everyone else is that, well, you're basing your beliefs on an assumption. Are there people who have trouble w/FCP because of ignorance? Yes. Are there people who have trouble w/FCP because their workflows are pushing the limits of the application? Yes. If one isn't as demanding a user it makes sense that one is less likely to run into problems.


Lethal

 

[MomentEye]

And to all those that say roundtripping doesn't work, there are many possible reasons why it doesn't work for you. But I've never had a problem. I must be the luckiest guy in the world, because I don't encounter the problems these people do. The truth is, I learn the proper workflow and run well-maintained systems. If you're having problems, you've got to ask yourself why so many don't and solve your problems instead of just ranting about them.

Seriously?
So you never send slow-mo's to Color?
Or re-adjust your noise reduction in Soundtrack?

Everything is fine under proper workflow conditions.
However the realities of client changes, multiple projects running concurrently, mixed formats and other unforeseen circumstances require flexibility.
And unfortunately the round-tripping is consistently the first thing to break.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Seriously?
So you never send slow-mo's to Color?

Or sped up clips. Or multicam clips. Or freeze frames. Or still images/gfx. Or nests. Or clips w/different frame rates. Or clips w/different frame sizes. Or clips with different codecs. Or interlaced footage. Or clips not in the handful of codecs Color supports. Or 50hz footage. Or use the re-conform function. Or...

I can easily spend more time prepping a timeline to be round tripped to/from Color than I do actually color grading the material.


Lethal

 

[Digital Skunk]

Or sped up clips. Or multicam clips. Or freeze frames. Or still images/gfx. Or nests. Or clips w/different frame rates. Or clips w/different frame sizes. Or clips with different codecs. Or interlaced footage. Or clips not in the handful of codecs Color supports. Or 50hz footage. Or use the re-conform function. Or...

I can easily spend more time prepping a timeline to be round tripped to/from Color than I do actually color grading the material.


Lethal

Nesting in general can be a headache at times.

 

[pmdiaz23]

I'd like to see a Floating Timecode window, Curves CC inside FCP, and Rolling TC while capturing.....

Media Manager is not horrible FCP, but could be better. Trimming is ok, I know Avid is better but FCP is not that bad and moving between Apps can be flawed at times.

 

[IronRoses]

Is it me or am i finding this a little bit odd.

FCS3 will have blu-ray support.

Thats all god Apple, but... I thought blu-ray was a "bag-of-hurt"

And macs don't even have the support for blu-ray drives.

I know, they're gonna release a new load of macs with the blu-ray support.

Thanks, once again, for ripping me off apple!!

 

[nuckinfutz]

Is it me or am i finding this a little bit odd.

FCS3 will have blu-ray support.

Thats all god Apple, but... I thought blu-ray was a "bag-of-hurt"

And macs don't even have the support for blu-ray drives.

I know, they're gonna release a new load of macs with the blu-ray support.

Thanks, once again, for ripping me off apple!!

The "bag of hurt" reference was regarding Blu-ray licensing.

If FCS3 has blu-ray it doesn't change anything because FC3 is an expensive
software app aimed at Pro users who not only need Blu-ray support but they need blu-ray recorders which is the opposite of most Blu-ray enabled computers in PC land. Most only have players which if of little use to those pros who need recorders.

 

[xbjllb]

Is it me or am i finding this a little bit odd.

FCS3 will have blu-ray support.

Thats all good Apple, but... I thought blu-ray was a "bag-of-hurt"

And macs don't even have the support for blu-ray drives.

I know, they're gonna release a new load of macs with the blu-ray support.

Thanks, once again, for ripping me off apple!!

It's your own fault for not keeping up with the forums here and ignoring the nonstop fights video editing pros have been having with anti-Blu-ray fanbois and buying too soon. I've been waiting now to upgrade to a Blu-ray Mac Pro for TWO YEARS. And complaining every step of the way.

OF COURSE Apple will be implementing Blu-ray just as fast as their dropping high end workstation numbers can force them, no matter what all the anti-Blu-ray "experts" on here proclaim. And on that day they I get my five- figure BTO Pro and Apple finally gets my money.