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That is nothing better than rationalized thievery.
Making something legitimately yours to profit from it is the very basis of capitalism. And one way of doing that is by realising value which the original owner does not realise, so he either sells it to you at a very low price or - in the extreme case - gives it to you. If a call was made to Apple and Apple refused to take back the phone, that's what happened.

I have no doubt you are the kind of person, who if you found a wallet would just take the money and toss it.
Haha, funny you should say that. I have over $150 in the drawer beside me which I found a few weeks ago outside on the ground, near a bar. I did as I described: I picked up all the notes, finished what I was doing, returned home, and called the local police station, giving as much detail as possible. Details were recorded, and because no-one claimed the money after 1 month, it became legally mine. And I'd do exactly the same if I found your wallet, Sir, though if I found your details in it first and I called you up and you said you had no interest in it, it'd be mine :D.

Mind you, if you later recalled that you had an important item in it, e.g. family trinket/photo, I'd almost certainly still give it to you. And I'd dump the cards at the nearest bank. But once you'd initially refused it, don't expect the cash value!
 
Um...me. For one, and I've done this before, if I were to find a dropped or forgotten phone I would have given it to the bartender and said I found it...someone dropped it. I've found 3 different cell-phones at places. People drop things.

Oh, and one time I found a perfect Dell laptop in the middle of the street at like 3am in the morning. It booted and there wasn't a scratch on it. I turned it into the police. Hey, it's not mine. I'm not trying to be Mr. Morality here or anything, but it's just one of those things. I also had my 13 year old son I'm trying to instill SOME values into.

Yeah, I've been ridiculed by some people I know for turning it in. "Man, I woulda kept it...that's so stupid, turning it in. Free computer dude." Well, that's not me I guess. :rolleyes:

+1

I have learned that dishonest people attempt to justify their behavior by saying everyone else would do the same thing.
Prime textbook example.
Hey-anybody think he'd have even turned it on if it was a razr???He would have tossed it to the bartender without a second thought,
 
Or maybe apple should have made it easier to return the device? Perhaps a direct 1800 number to an exec's office on a sticker on the back of the phone?

Where talking a device worth millions in R&D cost - you'd think Apple would have some method to recover it.

I think this whole thing blew out of proportion - I personally think both Giz and this guy should get off the hook. Apple just learned an important lesson....

Hell,dressed like that she DESERVED to get raped!
 
We have no way of knowing but it's not inconceivable that Hogan would've done the same, had he found some regular Dell laptop or Nokia phone. But it dawned on him what this thing was, the next day when he tinkered with it – and while he should have returned it none the less, you can't tell me that the magnitude of this particular find would have zero impact on you.

It would be really cool.But I would give it right back without taking pictures or selling it,etc.Really.
 
Haha, funny you should say that. I have over $150 in the drawer beside me which I found a few weeks ago outside on the ground, near a bar.
Are you sure? Because I just found a drawer on the ground. It's empty, though. Well, it's empty now. ;)
 
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Originally Posted by Munc
If the Apple Gestapo showed up at my door and wanted in I'd kick them in the nuts and send them back to Stalag Cupertino hurting real bad.
Yeah, sure you would.
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I suppose your right, they might beat me down with those turtleneck sweaters.
 
What?!?!? If this statement is true Apple Inc. has some explaining to do. A private corporation cannot go in and attempt a search without law enforcement and a search warrant. Either this is a false statement or Apple believes they are above the US legal system. Scary!:eek:

Calm down.It's not against the law to ask.
They asked.
They left.
And person or corporation in the world CAN do that.
 
Where is there an indication that Apple refused to take it back?

Ici:

TFA said:
A friend of Hogan's reportedly called AppleCare on Hogan's behalf in a failed attempt to return the iPhone

Your vilification of this guy (and, in a recent post, me, lol) is becoming tiresome... although maybe it's just the time of night. I must go to bed!

Anuba said:
Are you sure? Because I just found a drawer on the ground. It's empty, though. Well, it's empty now.
There I go, dropping my drawers. At least they're clean, unlike the content...

Filthy lucre can get filthy, especially when it's been lying on the ground.

I don't think you know what "abandon" means.
Then you need to enlighten me. Because if you (or someone carrying your property with your permission) leave it somewhere, and I find it, and I contact you to return it to you, and you refuse it, then you've abandoned it... yes or no?
 
Part of me is pretty disgusted at how everybody's name and business are being put out there on the internet. First it was the Apple guy who lost the phone, now it's the "finder" and his friends. This entire situation has just been blown way out of proportion. The world's gone crazy over a damn phone. :)




I would be very surprised if he gets a single day in jail for this. If charged, he'll plead to a lesser charge and get off with probation. I can't imagine that the DA is gonna press for jail time for the relative chump change that changed hands here.

Yet a meth addict steals and gets a year or more in jail? Sorry, but the smart kid with all the advantages behaved no better than the drug addict who stole to profit. A felony doesn't get reduced when it started as a felony.

Most District Attorneys add possible felony charges on top of gross misdemeanor charges to force a defendant's hand. This action starts as a felony.

To slap this kid on the wrist would seem to do damage to current and future cases from my view.
 
Knock, knock!

If Apple tracked the device to Hogan's home, wasn't that the perfect opportunity to return it? It must have been there for them to track it to that location. He might not have been there at the time, but Hogan should have been made aware by his roommate that the Apple Mafia (just kidding) showed up looking for their property and therefore not sought to deliver it into the hands of others.
 
I suppose your right, they might beat me down with those turtleneck sweaters.
Those are carbon fiber turtlenecks. Sheesh, didn't you ever notice how Steve never raises his arms above his shoulders? Those things are tough as f***.
 
Really? I am a Christian myself, but was that sentence necessary? Obviously, he feels bad about it, and while it may be wrong what he did, it's not like he bought the iPhone for $5,000. ;)
Yes, it's absolutely necessary. I'm also a Christian, and I'm sick to death of the "Jeezus loves me so all is forgiven" defense. Not to mention the "I'm really a fine upstanding young kid who didn't know the 3rd (4th? 5th?) commandment: THOU SHALT NOT STEAL" excuse.
No but he sold it. The drug dealer is committing a bigger crime than the drug taker. ;)
^ this
 
The bottom line is california law covers what to do if you find something. It covers what you should do (Try to return it to the rightful owner, if you cant it says you should give it to the police who will try for 90 days) After this and only after this is done could the item become yours.

http://law.justia.com/california/codes/civ/2080-2080.10.html

Thats the civil law in regards to "lost property"

Here is the criminal statute

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/13/5/s485

Ignorance of the law is no excuse to not follow it. All the people here who were raised on the playground rule of "finders keepers" are in the wrong here
 
Everyone sounds innocent and contrite after they're caught (and hired a lawyer). I don't believe him. Sorry. His actions belie his words. No one that innocent would neglect to call the bar and ask if anyone is missing a phone. No one who didn't want to keep the phone, that is.

I find a phone in a bar... gee... let me think, where is the first place the owner is going to look? Hmmm.... tough one... he "lost" it in the bar... how about my house? maybe he'll come to my house... no... I got his name from Facebook... should I email him? Naw... too easy... I know... Gizmodo! The blog site that put a bounty on someone delivering a pre-release iPad... yeah, that's the ticket... and look, they're so nice to give me money for a review... so sweet of them.

That being said, if proven guilty, should the guy go to jail for his behavior? I don't want to see that. Not at all.

But I also don't want to see this type of behavior go unchecked, both this guy's and Gizmodo's. We need to protect the illegal sale of trade secrets. Innovation is Apple's most valuable commodity. There should be laws against the illegal sale of trade secrets... wait, there are laws.
 
although it seems kinda creepy that apple showed up to look for the phone, it's not illegal or even immoral. as someone pointed out -- if you knew who stole your phone you might very well go ask them to get it back (or if their roommate answered the door ask to pick it up). apple wasn't pretending to have special authority to enter the house without permission, they ASKED, and when turned down they left and did the next best thing, called the police. it sounds like they were trying to be nice if you ask me.
Not to mention that everyone was going on about how Apple hadn't made a thorough effort to find the phone, since "they obviously could with MobileMe" - well. Now we know. THEY DID. And when their property wasn't forthcoming, they called in the authorities.
 
The bottom line is california law covers what to do if you find something. It covers what you should do (Try to return it to the rightful owner, if you cant it says you should give it to the police who will try for 90 days) After this and only after this is done could the item become yours.

http://law.justia.com/california/codes/civ/2080-2080.10.html

Thats the civil law in regards to "lost property"

Here is the criminal statute

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/13/5/s485

Ignorance of the law is no excuse to not follow it. All the people here who were raised on the playground rule of "finders keepers" are in the wrong here

I think after this is all over with, we'll all know what to do with lost items...at least those of us with a conscience.
 
Yes, it's absolutely necessary. I'm also a Christian, and I'm sick to death of the "Jeezus loves me so all is forgiven" defense. Not to mention the "I'm really a fine upstanding young kid who didn't know the 3rd (4th? 5th?) commandment: THOU SHALT NOT STEAL" excuse.
^ this
Ah yes, the Old Testament Christian style. There seems to be lots of those in the US, it's as if they stopped somewhere around "eye for an eye" and then put down the book, planning to read the NT later. Doesn't that technically make you, I dunno, Jewish?
 
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/iphone-finder/ Okaaaay. So he's a fine upstanding Christian boy. And a thief. Why am I not surprised.

No amount of religious teaching can cleanse the human race of its compulsion for greed and power. We try, but it seems like the worst of the worst wrap themselves in a religious mantle. There's power in believing, and absolute power in the ability to interpret and manipulate someone else's beliefs.
 
OK I have to ask.
Does anybody still think this whole thing is an Apple publicity stunt?

I feel like I'm reading the National Enquirer (Because Enquiring Minds(?) Want to Know)

They should all just move to Canada like Draft Dodgers.

s.

ps What?
 
Brian J. Hogan, a 21-year-old resident of Redwood City, California


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Hogannnnnnn!
 
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