This. Kid finds phone and makes some coin. Apple gets MILLIONS worth of free publicity. Gizmodo makes some pretty hard out cash with an exclusive. We get awesome juicy new thing to lust for.
Everyone wins?
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Finder of Lost Next-Generation iPhone Identified
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This. Kid finds phone and makes some coin. Apple gets MILLIONS worth of free publicity. Gizmodo makes some pretty hard out cash with an exclusive. We get awesome juicy new thing to lust for.
Everyone wins?
With the news that Apple reps were knocking on this guys door, there is no doubt everyone involved after that point had any doubt it was a prototype phone.
There have obviously been lies and misleading information posted by the bloggers.
The guys with the deepest pockets are going to be the ones apple will go after. The deepest pocketed people are usually the ones who know better than risk breaking the law.
There have obviously been lies and misleading information posted by the bloggers.
The guys with the deepest pockets are going to be the ones apple will go after. The deepest pocketed people are usually the ones who know better than risk breaking the law.
If this kid did what he thought was right then his parents didn't raise him right and hopefully he has no siblings. I don't see anything wrong with apple stopping by and requesting their property. The didn't force their way in and left when told no. Gizmodo on the other hand needs to hang.
And between the time he thought it was just an ordinary iPhone he was free to steal it? So when nobody in the bar said it was theirs, I guess he concluded that the owner had left the bar, and that he would take the phone home with him without letting the bar know he had found somebody's phone, so when the owner called the bar looking for it, he'd never get it back.
But when he realizes, as he obviously did at some point, that it is very special phone, how do you justify his not contacting the bar then and asking if anyone has called the bar looking for it?
Truth is, even if you believe every word he's said or Gizmodo claims he said, he did nothing the night he found it to get the phone back to an owner who had left the bar, and never did anything meaningful between that night and when he sold it to Gizmodo weeks later.
So how does this phone being indistinguishable from an ordinary phone affect your judgment of how this guy acted?
(And you don't turn over lost goods found in a bar or hotel lobby to the management because they have a right to it; you give it to them because their in the best position to get the goods back to the owner.)
We really don't know the actual words. Remember this was a comment by a kid. It could be more or less than exact.
Well, I decided to abandon any attempt at logical argument, explanation of the law, or appeal to morality.
I think just pure sarcasm and ridicule, if not availing, is at least more satisfying. It's also shorter.
Riiiight. Sounds like they're already working on their new story for their legal defense.
"Hey Gizmodo, if you'll help me return this to Apple, I would really appreciate it. How about a, say, $5,000, um deposit so that I can be confident that you will, in fact, return it to Apple?"
Of course he also contacted other news outlets to help him do his good deed, but apparently none of them were smitten by the security deposit idea.
Because geez, the guy couldn't just drive to Cupertino himself and turn it in.
What a complete load of horsecrap.
I really tried to resist but...
I so did not want to write anything about this whole debacle, but now I feel like someone just has to say it. Hogan was a fool who found lost property, knew the owner, knew it was not his, knew what it was and held on to it. Somehow between him and his two idiot friends, they sold stolen property to an online tech journal who then used the find to publish a sensational story (ie. sensational in that Apple prototypes never seem to find light of day before release). Lets face it, obviously Hogan, Gizmodo, and potentially the two middlemen all were part of a crime by California Legal Code. They held onto property that was not theirs, becoming stolen, and then selling stolen goods.
Sheesh,
Noushy
I so did not want to write anything about this whole debacle, but now I feel like someone just has to say it. Hogan was a fool who found lost property, knew the owner, knew it was not his, knew what it was and held on to it. Somehow between him and his two idiot friends, they sold stolen property to an online tech journal who then used the find to publish a sensational story (ie. sensational in that Apple prototypes never seem to find light of day before release). Lets face it, obviously Hogan, Gizmodo, and potentially the two middlemen all were part of a crime by California Legal Code. They held onto property that was not theirs, becoming stolen, and then selling stolen goods.
Sheesh,
Noushy
This is a true story that happened to a friend and I involving a "lost" iPhone. We were at a fast food restaurant and were sitting fairly close to 2 gentlemen that were about 60 years old. We didnt pay any attention to them, just noticed them. Well I looked over at their table and saw an iPhone setting there and they were gone. I swooped over to get it and put it in my pocket. I went to the manager and (discreetly I thought)told him that I had found a phone and to let me know if anyone asked about it. I never told him it was an iPhone, I would have given him my name and number and disclose it was an iPhone before we left.
Well there was a person that overheard my conversation and then went to the manager and told him that he lost his phone. This was at lunch time and the person was clearly either drunk and very hung over from the night before. The manager came to us and told us that someone had inquired about the phone. Now we had watched the whole thing unfold and could tell that the guy was trying to scam the phone. I walked with the manager to speak with the person and asked him what color the phone was and what type of phone it was. Of course he stumbled and couldnt answer the questions. I basically told him no phone for you and he went outside and waited around his car for us which was bizarre.
I was able to open the recents on the iPhone and called the last number that had called the phone and it was the friend of the guy that lost the phone and they came right back and claimed the phone and were very grateful.
The moral of my story is that I would never turn over an iPhone to a store manager. If I had, it would have no doubt went to the scammer because the manager seemed shocked when I refused to give it to him.
Thanks
Paul
Well there was a person that overheard my conversation and then went to the manager and told him that he lost his phone. This was at lunch time and the person was clearly either drunk and very hung over from the night before. The manager came to us and told us that someone had inquired about the phone. Now we had watched the whole thing unfold and could tell that the guy was trying to scam the phone. I walked with the manager to speak with the person and asked him what color the phone was and what type of phone it was. Of course he stumbled and couldnt answer the questions. I basically told him no phone for you and he went outside and waited around his car for us which was bizarre.
I was able to open the recents on the iPhone and called the last number that had called the phone and it was the friend of the guy that lost the phone and they came right back and claimed the phone and were very grateful.
The moral of my story is that I would never turn over an iPhone to a store manager. If I had, it would have no doubt went to the scammer because the manager seemed shocked when I refused to give it to him.
Thanks
Paul
Hogan does appear to be brilliant fellow who was blessed with the perspicacity to see $5,000 of value where Apple, the dullards, could see none. He is the very model of capitalist entrepreneur, and deserves our praise for his service to mankind. Think of all the jobs he's created! All those lawyers who are now gainfully employed! Were it not for Hogan, people would be selling Apples on street corners.
Or leave a phone number at bar, inc case the owner returns.
Or not take it in the first place, just leave it with management at the bar.
Or Call the bar later...
Or anything reasonable instead of quietly walking away from the bar with someone else property and then fishing for a payout.
Nothing more than an opportunistic thief, just like the guy who "found" my bicycle while I was doing a quick run into a store...
Verrrry interesting. This guy, the shady character, he didn't look something like this, did he?
Thats why you try to do it as discretely as possible when there is no one around... Of course if you give it to the manager its not your problem anymore.
I'm sorry to say this, but you are all a group of sad brainwashed fanatics who will never see anything wrong with what Apple does.
I understand your deep need to justify your gods, no matter how unethical their behavior may seem, But this time I just can't read your nonsense anymore.
Agreed that it is Apple's prerogative to pursue this case until their itch has been scratched. But Apple's refusal to admit they were negligent in their silly alcoholic fashion is just upsetting.
Look back and see how you defend apple as it is their right to take this kid down, and you still defend Apple when they are being blamed for patent infringement, or any other evil (that you frowned upon when it was done to Apple).
I understand your deep need to justify your gods, no matter how unethical their behavior may seem, But this time I just can't read your nonsense anymore.
Agreed that it is Apple's prerogative to pursue this case until their itch has been scratched. But Apple's refusal to admit they were negligent in their silly alcoholic fashion is just upsetting.
Look back and see how you defend apple as it is their right to take this kid down, and you still defend Apple when they are being blamed for patent infringement, or any other evil (that you frowned upon when it was done to Apple).
You're right. I remember now. At first I was a bit skeptical when the Engadget article and photos came out, as prototypes come out here and then - usually being fakes or Chinese clones. But then once Gizmodo had it, took it apart, I forgot about the Engadget affiliation. That's the price I guess on the want of fame.
lol give the kid a break, he deserves some punishment for being such an idiot - it's not like he didn't think he was committing something illegal - but Gizmodo are even more criminal in this case. They knew 100% what they were doing. The kid did too, but this sort of thing never happened to him. Maybe a small fine for him.
Its silly, Apple should've just ignored it. By reacting they practically told the world is was the real thing.
You find something of mine I left behind in a restaurant, bar, or hotel lobby, and you leave that place with it without letting the proprietor know, or going directly to the nearest police precinct, I and my little fren' are going to show you exactly what the big deal is.
Neither Hogan nor anyone else had to bother themselves about whether they didn't own an Apple prototype, a Chinese counterfeit, or a Palm Pilot. It was something that belonged to someone else, so you turn it into the bar, take it to the police, or at least let the bar know you have it so the owner when he comes back looking for it can find you. You do anything else, be prepared for the owner to come looking for you.