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FineWoven Accessories May Get One Last Outing Before Apple Pulls Plug
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The Green F-head at Apple are worried about cows farting…. as if a few phone cases will make a difference. LOL .. . they have lost their minds!… To a point of actually abandoning good products for bs environmental issues !
Pointing out a user who switches from iPhone to Android is exactly as relevant as pointing out a user who sells their older iPhone and has no other Apple devices. If one is a whataboutism then so is the other. Switching to the same electrical outlets would be a substantially more significantly more onerous undertaking than switching phone charging connectors. And how's that for a whataboutism lol. This also ignores that switching phones is a relatively common occurrence for most people, unlike moving overseas. Even when they do they typically sell or get rid of most of their stuff rather than take it with them anyway due to the logistics, so having the same electrical plugs would have negligible benefit in the first place.
Ha - fair enough! What I was really saying is that I used to use leather (I don't use fine woven) and I never cleaned that. It just aged and looked better and better without needing any care at all. Ditto a high quality leather fold wallet I bought 15 years ago that looks great and is lovely to hold.Well, yes. I like to keep my things clean.
Not sure what's to laugh about it. I'd like to see your case after a few months of use and no cleaning.
Yes, there are a lot of conveniences about the new USB-C cable— I enjoy using the same for Mac, iPhone, iPad, as well. But the EU technocrats are biased and power hungry. Where were they during the transition from all those various USB standards to USB-C? A totally inconsistent, greedy, and power hungry entity interfering with the free market.
Where were they? They were letting the market decide, just like you wanted. The market, except for Apple, decided on USB-C. Considering that Android accounts for about 2/3 of the EU market, the EU decided they weren't going to wait around for Apple to move on and finally join everybody else of their own volition, especially when Apple has a history of preferring their own proprietary "standards". It seems that Apple wised up and got the hint with wireless charging since they allowed MagSafe to become part of Qi2. Certain things, like charging, work better for everyone when there is interoperability. Oh you need to borrow a charging cable? Good thing you can borrow one from your friend/coworker/family member since you know it will be compatible, instead of having to hope they have the same kind of phone as you.
Yeah, except now you can’t borrow a charging cable anymore because for years, people will still have their Lightning devices. Nice try— but the reality is a little bit different. Not everyone upgrades their phone every year.
Now a minuscule portion of European iPhone users will have a different cable than everyone else. Which will be the case for years, because iPhone upgrades are expensive in Europe. Which defeats the purpose of the EU’s rule. LOL.
Letting the market decide doesn’t mean governments should step in when they don’t get the outcome they wanted. That’s not letting the market decide anything. That’s coercion and overreach. More often than not, governments should leave well enough alone.
Wait a minute. First I was told that everybody was dumping their Lightning cables, creating a bunch of e-waste. But now you’re saying that people are actually holding onto their devices and cables. Which one is it, because you can’t have your cake and eat it too.Yeah, except now you can’t borrow a charging cable anymore because for years, people will still have their Lightning devices. Nice try— but the reality is a little bit different. Not everyone upgrades their phone every year.
Now a minuscule portion of European iPhone users will have a different cable than everyone else. Which will be the case for years, because iPhone upgrades are expensive in Europe. Which defeats the purpose of the EU’s rule. LOL.
Letting the market decide doesn’t mean governments should step in when they don’t get the outcome they wanted. That’s not letting the market decide anything. That’s coercion and overreach. More often than not, governments should leave well enough alone.
Clearly there will be a transition period, but within about 5 years most people will have upgraded to a new device and the EU (and everyone else actually) will be experiencing the full benefit of shared connectors.
Elected government can do whatever the people allow or want them to do. If the people don’t like it, they can vote for different people.
It’s clearly both, which is what makes it such a questionable implementation— during the transition phase (5-7 years because people are still buying Lightning devices that are refurbished or used), it will be a pain for iPhone Lightning and USB-C users when they need to borrow a cable; after the transition phase is when the accumulated millions of pounds of Lightning cables will have been dumped into our oceans.
As for elected governments’ intrusion into the free marketplace, in many cases, it does depend on voters (hopefully ones who educate themselves) and it’s a balance; unfortunately, it appears that most governments are getting more and more heavy-handed about it.
Bud, the status quo was already a pain lmao. Also, do you think these cables last forever? I assure you they absolutely do not. The average cable’s lifespan is probably about 2 years. This initiative isn’t creating as much short-term additional e-waste as you think it is and it creates less over the long run. Complain about it as much as you like, but USB-C is here and there’s no other way to spin its net benefit. Other than a useless, short-sighted viewpoint that is.
Bro, that goes for all cables and electronics LOL. Besides, was it really, though? You knew if you had an iPhone, there was one kind of cable; now we have two. And you’re wrong, BTW— I have Apple and Anker cables that are 5-6 years old and still going strong. With 2.2 billion active devices, that’s some serious waste whether you’d like to acknowledge it or not.
For the record, I don’t mind USB-C, although its physical design is not as robust. It’s certainly here to stay but that’s not the point— the EU wanted to cut down on waste and improve convenience and they thoughtlessly created more. There’s no other way to spin it— other than a useless and short-sighted viewpoint, that is. ;-)
An analysis is poor when it fails to recognize that long-term outcomes matter more than short-term outcomes.
An opinion is poor when it doesn’t realize the central tenets of the argument at hand. You were talking only about outcomes and I was talking about government policy and repercussions— the how and why and morality of the EU decision. Two different wavelengths, I’m afraid.
Your view of the morality of the EUs decision is your own opinion. That’s cool, you’re allowed that. However that doesn’t mean your opinion has been formed upon the basis of facts. You appear to simply be salty that the EU did this, regardless of the net positive outcome. Oh well.
And you have your own opinion— you’re essentially cool with the EU dictating the terms of the free market and overregulation. You believe that’s totally fine and you’re allowed to believe that. You just seem miffed that Apple and the free market wasn’t regulated sooner and would prefer companies are forced into these decisions. I totally understand your opinion. If a government wants to decide that someone can no longer own a Viper GTS because it doesn’t contribute to a net positive outcome, you would totally side with that government. Understood. 😉
One man's 'overregulation' is another man's 'just right'. Not miffed at all lol, as things worked out just fine in my view. The free market was given time to decide USB-C was the solution. Everyone but Apple anyway, as they did not take that view nor did I hear anything about them being willing to release Lightning as a standard for others to use. Because of this, without regulation, the market would have been stuck with two different connectors for the foreseeable future as Apple chose to neither adopt USB-C nor allow others to use Lightning on their phones. This regulation was essentially Apple's own doing. Also, I don't own a Viper. 😉
So you are miffed with Apple for not capitulating to use the same connector as everyone else. A) How do you know they weren’t planning on switching to USB-C anyway (I’d wager they were)? B) Where does that regulation end? Should the EU mandate that Apple and all laptop manufacturers use the same connector (i.e. force Apple to do away with MagSafe and exclusively use USB-C)? That’s where this is headed in the EU eventually. They’re making a mess of business models over there and will be making things worse (more complicated) for consumers in the name of control. A free market being “given time” to use the “right” connector is not a free market at all.
And we all know you own a Viper or would like to. 😉
Oh, well if they were planning to move to USB-C, then I guess it all worked out anyway. 🙂
The regulation ends when and where citizens decide that through elections, mate.
Sure, I'd love to add a Viper to the fleet. I bought a new Hellcat though, so that won't be happening for a while, if ever.
It would have, yes, without any intervention needed by the EU. Do you see the point here? 😉
I hope the citizens of Europe can vote these technocrats out, but I believe there’s simply too much entrenched bureaucracy to change things. The EU seems more like a fascist state trying to control and sculpt markets rather than a representative government.
As for your Hellcat, mate, good luck hanging on to that with all the EV regulations on the horizon.
That's requires a pure assumption though. We don't know if Apple actually had plans to switch on their own. Do you see the point here?
Yes, those fascists regulating phone connector standards. Spare us the ridiculous hyperbole lmao.
New emissions regulations apply to newly manufactured vehicles, not old ones.
Not pure assumption but informed speculation. They had switched everything else to USB-C already. Maybe the EU should have asked them before mandating it? Sad.
Increased control in one area is indicative of control in another. But some people aren’t smart enough to realize this, LMAO. It’s a slow and steady erosion of freedom.
You might have trouble finding gas stations, though, when they mandate fossil fuels out of existence. Hopefully that won’t happen and you’ll be able to buy as many Hellcats and Vipers as you like….