Firefox is so much better than safari!!!

[SMM]

Browsers seem to generate a very loyal, and personal following. I use Safari at home and IE at work (mostly). I have experimented with Firefox and a couple others. I do not think any of them are so clearly better than the rest. I seldom experience problems with any of them except for IE. MS seems to screw with the IE security settings during some of their patches. So, our department has to keep an eye on 'the geeks down the street'. But, that is not IE's fault.

I am mainly a Search/Read user. So, my needs are pretty basic. I suppose the browser's various strengths/weaknesses are what draws the battlelines of preference.

 

[icrash]

the thing that me causes to use Camino is, that Safari takes more and more RAM when it's running...after a few minutes it takes 150MB RAM, after 1 or two hours it goes up to 500MB, and I'm NOT visiting special Websites, just Forums, News sites, etc....if this behaviour will be fixed I would stick with Safari...

just my 2 cents

 

[mgguy]

FF seems way too slow for me. Safari and Camino are much faster on my (albiet) older imac. I use Safari mostly because I don't like the icons Camino uses on the bookmark bar (too busy visually). I think Safari just looks cleaner.

 

[Henri Gaudier]

I live in the French countryside and my connection speed is 28,800 bps so anything to speed up my internet life I want it. I downloaded FF on the strength of all the posts praising it and these are the times for pages to load in.

Ebay with Safari 1 min 32
Ebay with FF 1 min 40
Apple site with Safari 1 min 43
Apple site with FF 3 min 31

Pathetic isn't it? We're not due Haut Débit (Broadband) for another year or two and I'm paying €30 (£18/$40) a month for this. It's constantly quitting and what's worse - if I could receive Haut Débit I can get 20 mega for the same price plus free international phone calls and digital tv! Anyway, I digress - FF didn't work for me.

 

[clevin]

I live in the French countryside and my connection speed is 28,800 bps so anything to speed up my internet life I want it. I downloaded FF on the strength of all the posts praising it and these are the times for pages to load in.

Ebay with Safari 1 min 32
Ebay with FF 1 min 40
Apple site with Safari 1 min 43
Apple site with FF 3 min 31

Pathetic isn't it? We're not due Haut Débit (Broadband) for another year or two and I'm paying €30 (£18/$40) a month for this. It's constantly quitting and what's worse - if I could receive Haut Débit I can get 20 mega for the same price plus free international phone calls and digital tv! Anyway, I digress - FF didn't work for me.

oh, bless ur heart, try this out:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1269
or try opera out.
if both of them do not work, then stick with your safari. 28,800? its like 3kb/sec?

 

[3nm]

FF is my de facto browser on any platform. in regards to OS X-integration, i actually find FF's midnight fox theme more appealing since i replaced whole OS's GUI to a dark grey theme (the aqua theme is old). also, as you know, FF has awesome extensions like ad block plus, image zoom, answers, forecastfox, gmail notifier... i have 40+ tabs open most of the time and haven't found stability an issue.

people are telling me that safari is faster. well, i'd say safari does start up faster, but i absolutely **HATE** how safari behaves when it comes to loading websites. safari tends to load at least 85% of the page before it actually displays any part of the page . so when it's stuck on loading some crappy ad images that are remotely hosted on some slow azz server, i'm forced to stare at a white blank page for a good amount of time! this flaw is a serious deal breaker and pisses me off everytime i use safari.

 

[nsbio]

FF is slower to load but OK while browsing, at least on my 15'' PB. However, FF feels somewhat clumsy in comparison to Safari: scrolling through pages using two fingers on the trackpad or a mouse scrollwheel is plain clunky and jerky. FF does have some niceties, such as flexible proxy server management, and is overall more customizable. However, my primary need in a browser is ease of use. Safari wins in this category, in my opinion.

By the way, this example highlights the two alternative approaches in product design in general: the first approach starts from the product's specs and features and adds user interface on top of them, the second - from user interface, with features added to fit the interface. The first approach is easier to undertake but often results in things bursting with features and attachments but being garbage in real use. That is, by the way, how 95% of scientific equipment is made, but this is a topic for another thread.

The second, user-centric, approach requires certain levels of creativity and is therefore hard to implement. Apple are one of the few companies that successfully employ this strategy. One can critisize them, but their products, with a couple of exceptions, are actually useable and are joy to use.

So anyway, while FF is a good browser, Safari just feels better, even though it has fewer features and customizations.

 

[Henri Gaudier]

oh, bless ur heart, try this out:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1269
or try opera out.
if both of them do not work, then stick with your safari. 28,800? its like 3kb/sec?

Thanks for the thought Clevin but I've already trashed the download of FF. It took 3 attempts - started it 3 nights is a row only to wake up to find I'd lost the connection overnight on 2 of them. Can't face another 17 meg download!

It's like 3 kb?

Yep and that's through France Telecom.

 

[Mavimao]

Thanks for the thought Clevin but I've already trashed the download of FF. It took 3 attempts - started it 3 nights is a row only to wake up to find I'd lost the connection overnight on 2 of them. Can't face another 17 meg download!

It's like 3 kb?

Yep and that's through France Telecom.

"Merci France Telecom,
D'avoir pu permettre à nos hommes
d'ajouter au bruit de la ville et des claxons
La douce sonnerie des téléphones."

Couldn't help myself... T'habite où exactement? Tu payes trop pour cette connection de merde! Tu devrais essayer Camino. C'est un browser qui utilise la même engine que Firefox, mais c'est cent fois plus vite.

 

[Henri Gaudier]

Nice French! I'm in Kreiz Breizh - Central Bretagne.

Well, after a lot of downloading my results are:-

Loading in the Apple Site

Safari 1 min 43
Opera 1 min 44
Camino 1 min 48
Fire Fox 3 min 30

Loading in eBay

Safari 1 min 32
Fire Fox 1 min 40
Opera 1 min 50
Camino 2 min 07

Hardly beyond criticism I know but my basic test shows Safari to be the best. Considering my original intention - not the best news. And a bloody boring Sunday too.

 

[Shotgun OS]

I love Firefox, its a good browser, especially for PCs. But on my Mac, Safari loads 10 times faster on everything. I just checked, and Safari opens in about 1 second, while Firefox takes 7 seconds. I could really care less about customization, and Safari just seems to get things done faster. Now, at my school, thats a different story. Internet Explorer is horrible, and I'd rather have Firefox at school.

 

[Mavimao]

Nice French! I'm in Kreiz Breizh - Central Bretagne.

Merci! J'ai passé 5 ans à Strasbourg - j'ai même eu mon bac. Pas mal pour un amérloque ;-) Je connais pas très bien Bretagne, mais je suis sur que Kreiz Breizh n'est pas exactement un métropole!

Well, after a lot of downloading my results are:-

Loading in the Apple Site

Safari 1 min 43
Opera 1 min 44
Camino 1 min 48
Fire Fox 3 min 30

Loading in eBay

Safari 1 min 32
Fire Fox 1 min 40
Opera 1 min 50
Camino 2 min 07

Hardly beyond criticism I know but my basic test shows Safari to be the best. Considering my original intention - not the best news. And a bloody boring Sunday too.

Huh, very interesting results. At least you know which browser works best for your needs!

 

[dollystereo]

FF takes 10 secs to do a cold load in my 2.0GHZ MBP with 2GB of ram, that sucks!
I like firefox for doing bank and online security sites.

 

[zephead]

Ehh, I just keep Firefox running all the time anyways. Can't live without Adblock! And yes, I know about usercontent.css, but it doesn't compare to Adblock.

 

[djellison]

Just thought I'd throw the experience of a recent switcher into the mix here.

I've been using FF on various XP machines for a few years. I've had a Mac for exactly 5 days (1.83C2D MB with 2Gig of Ram) and thought Safari was being a bit sluggish - slower than Firefox on my old XP machine. So I grabbed Firefox for OSX - installed it - and it put Safari firmly in its place. Qualitatively, Firefox seems to load any page in about half the time of Safari, sometimes faster still. Raw download speeds are the same between the two ( both getting around 750k/sec with the same file download ) but Firefox seems to grab multiple files and render up a complete webpage much MUCH faster.

I stuck with Safari for a few dozen hours of browsing, for some reason resisting the urge to use Firefox - but having compared the two side by side, there is no contest, and only one browser is going to find a spot on my dock from now on...and it ain't Safari.

Doug

 

[zap2]

FireFox and Safari are both great browsers, FF is great because it supports almost ever modern OS out there. I love them both...I use Safari on my desktop, and FF on my laptop. I support FF, because its open source, and can fight IE on Windows. Also I use it on my Linux machine.

 

[72930]

FireFox and Safari are both great browsers, FF is great because it supports almost ever modern OS out there. I love them both...I use Safari on my desktop, and FF on my laptop. I support FF, because its open source, and can fight IE on Windows. Also I use it on my Linux machine.

What does it miss out?

 

[Tacos!]

I'm a big fan of firefox myself. Never could make the switch to safari, I like how firefox is easy to customize. Safari I'm not sure about..

 

[72930]

I'm a big fan of firefox myself. Never could make the switch to safari, I like how firefox is easy to customize. Safari I'm not sure about..

I was in the same position until I found Inquisitor. I still used FF sometimes for compatability etc, but now Camino is my secondary browser (its tough, because in some ways, and the upcoming tabspose, its so much better than Safari).

PimpMyCamino and PimpMySafari are great sites for add-ons for the two. Camino is faster to start and less clunky than FF.