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FireWire MacBook is #1 , rumor new Unibody MB with FW
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First of all, "web sides"? Really? It's a website.
Second, yes, it's MacRumors, where there are rumors which sometimes have a good chance to happen. However, any rumor that is likely to happen is backed by some proof.
The rumors that are not backed by proof are flamed here, just as you are being. It's not a personal attack, it's just too many times people come on here and write about what they think will happen because they really want it to, perhaps they believe it, pathologically.
You can't concoct a rumor and state that the fact that you have no proof doesn't make it any less believable, that's ridiculous.
Dead on.
An easy way to circumvent this is to believe things that are believable. Things that might actually happen.
For example, the specs at the top of my Mac Pro and Mac Mini threads are what I believe will happen. It just so happens, that what I believe will be the specs are right in line with what we have seen in the past, and what we know will see in the future. Therefore, it is not a stretch to agree with my beliefs, as very many signs point to these specs coming true.
Is the OP saying that the white macbook 2.0 with upgraded graphics is outselling the aluminum MB?
That would make sense. The better graphics card plus firewire would have detered me from buying the 2.4 aluminum Macbook when I did.
Maybe Apple has boxed themselves into a "low end corner" with the white Macbooks? We are getting the low end Mac we want?
I'm not happy with the lack of Firewire for one reason only: Target Disk Mode.
Without Firewire, I cannot easily transfer files from one Mac to another. I cannot punch up my Macbook into my Powermac G5, for instance and this is a bummer and creates a class of non interchangable machines, which kills the point of having a good desktop plus a laptop.
That would make sense. The better graphics card plus firewire would have detered me from buying the 2.4 aluminum Macbook when I did.
Maybe Apple has boxed themselves into a "low end corner" with the white Macbooks? We are getting the low end Mac we want?
I'm not happy with the lack of Firewire for one reason only: Target Disk Mode.
Without Firewire, I cannot easily transfer files from one Mac to another. I cannot punch up my Macbook into my Powermac G5, for instance and this is a bummer and creates a class of non interchangable machines, which kills the point of having a good desktop plus a laptop.
+10 for somebody who realizes the better technology isn't always the one that wins over the consumers
+10 for somebody who realizes the better technology isn't always the one that wins over the consumers
Yeah, like HD DVD.
Major loss right there, that.
Yeah, like HD DVD.
Major loss right there, that.
actually, wasnt bluray the better of the two in terms of potential and tech?
thats what i figured when i was researching it
Ha ha! Thanks for remembering my PPC fetish...well i'll be, California finally went to intel! when did this happen
Notice I'm now the proud owner of the last, fastest PPC the G5 Quad.
Sold the 12" PB a few months ago here on MR and bit the Intel bullet on Black Friday.
The lack of firewire on the Macbook is driving me nuts and I don't use it at all but need it for interviews...
Actually may sell it soon. It's faster than the PB but less handy w/out firewire. P.S. As long as I have a PPC machine somewhere, I won't panic. I really don't use the MB at all.
Hmmm... So you KNEW that FW is a MUST HAVE for you, but you went ahead and bought the MacBook anyway?? Why didn't you just buy an MBP and now you wouldn't have anything to complain about...That makes zero sense.
I'm just sayin'...
Debating whether or not firewire is the reason behind the amazon sales of the new/old whitebook or the recently updated specs is rather like arguing over whether the chicken or the egg came first, isn't it? Good for endless hours of speculation, but not much else.
<taps fingers, whistles, looks around, waits...>
Though, if I had a firewire device or two that I planned to keep using for a couple of years, I'd be jumping all over the old/new whitebook. It's basically got the same specs as the base uni-MB, more less in expensive, and much more portable and affordable than the uni MBP.
If I was just starting out on mac laptops or mac in general, I'd choose the same model because of its feature/price ratio.
To engage in further mental masturbation, I would expect whitebook sales to drop off a bit if people are buying it because of firewire. If it holds onto its ranking, then it's safe to assume it's the price and features of the model. "Honey (Mom/Dad), I know the economy stinks, but look at what we can get for a thousand bucks...."
<taps fingers, whistles, looks around, waits...>
Though, if I had a firewire device or two that I planned to keep using for a couple of years, I'd be jumping all over the old/new whitebook. It's basically got the same specs as the base uni-MB, more less in expensive, and much more portable and affordable than the uni MBP.
If I was just starting out on mac laptops or mac in general, I'd choose the same model because of its feature/price ratio.
To engage in further mental masturbation, I would expect whitebook sales to drop off a bit if people are buying it because of firewire. If it holds onto its ranking, then it's safe to assume it's the price and features of the model. "Honey (Mom/Dad), I know the economy stinks, but look at what we can get for a thousand bucks...."
Hmmm... So you KNEW that FW is a MUST HAVE for you, but you went ahead and bought the MacBook anyway?? Why didn't you just buy an MBP and now you wouldn't have anything to complain about...That makes zero sense.
I'm just sayin'...
Actually i didn't "know" how much I'd miss firewire until I got the MacBook in my hands. For example, I did not understand that it simply does not recognize firewire ports on other devices... such as my 23" Apple Cinema Display.
Or my MacAlly hd enclosure with firewire and USB ports. When plugged into the MacBook, the firewire ports, even though they have power running to them independently, are dead when plugged into the Macbook.
That was probably naive of me but it seems the MacBooks are lacking either firmware or hard ware that makes them recognize independent Firewire.
I did not understand this until I started using it.
I don't like it that i can't even strap a target disc moded Powermac into the MacBook via USB. There is simply no Target Disc Mode on MacBooks Aluminum and I did not understand this before I owned it. I also did not know or understand that I could not daisy chain USB devices, even usb 2.0.
So it is like this good looking and nice but unused, oddball device for me. The only other machine i owned that was like this was the iMac G3 first revision. Without firewire, it sets itself up as this instantly archaic oddball Mac. Unlike the Powerbook 12" last revision which was constantly being synced with my Desktop machine so my current files were up to date.
The MBP is too much machine and too much screen size for me. Not easily carried around.
ive never used a firewire port, ever. i dont get what the big deal is, USB killed it, and 3.0 will bury it, and pour cement over it
It's nice that you've never had to rescue your hard drive (or a friend's) using target mode.
Just because one person has never used FW doesn't mean you cannot fathom how its omission impacts a video editing community that relies on a FW interface for cameras, decks and audio and is not about to replace entire inventories of equipment when they are upgrading their computer.
I don't know what I would do without my FW port on my BlackBook. I mean sure, fine, the camcorder I just bought uses USB2 only for data transfer from its internal disk, but if I'm using a university camera, or connecting to other people's Macs for work, I would be sunk without it.
I hope Apple does reconsider and add FW capabilities to the AluBook. Fortunately, if they don't, I'll be able to pay for a MacBook Pro by the time this machine is worn down.
I hope Apple does reconsider and add FW capabilities to the AluBook. Fortunately, if they don't, I'll be able to pay for a MacBook Pro by the time this machine is worn down.
My final thought on the lack of Firewire on the mac book is that it HAD to have been somewhat of a design constraint for Jonathan Ive.
That, plus the Apple idea of wanting a sub par notebook to make the MacBookPros seem more "pro".
I need a small Apple laptop.
Heck I even know a woman who sniffed her nose at the 14" iBook given to her FREE because of its size.
That, plus the Apple idea of wanting a sub par notebook to make the MacBookPros seem more "pro".
I need a small Apple laptop.
Heck I even know a woman who sniffed her nose at the 14" iBook given to her FREE because of its size.
are you sure you dont mean better because its cheaper?
Other than FW id say this MB is GREAT.
Firewire is better than USB. If you don't need firewire though, it doesn't matter. I kind of need firewire, and I still bought the Alu Macbook for $100 more than the white macbook.
I'm taking a gamble that USB will do okay for me. I will be using a Mbox 2 (USB) for audio recording and using my external hard drive with the USB instead of firewire. USB being able to keep up the hard drive honestly scares me more than the audio interface. My camera uses SDHC cards that connect through a USB Device, so I'm cool there. If I had a firewire camera, no way I could use usb. I liked the Alu Macbook over the white one so much that I bet a long shot (USB) vs a sure thing (firewire) when it comes to data transfer.
I know people that don't use firewire could care less that the new Macbooks don't have them. I use firewire everyday and I still bought an alu. I still think it was honestly a mistake by apple to not include it. Not everybody is as dumb as me. They lost more $ than they have gained by not adding a 5 cent part or whatever. Just because Apple didn't include firewire doesn't mean it's dead cause "Apple said so." I'm being objective here as an Alu macbook owner.
I'm taking a gamble that USB will do okay for me. I will be using a Mbox 2 (USB) for audio recording and using my external hard drive with the USB instead of firewire. USB being able to keep up the hard drive honestly scares me more than the audio interface. My camera uses SDHC cards that connect through a USB Device, so I'm cool there. If I had a firewire camera, no way I could use usb. I liked the Alu Macbook over the white one so much that I bet a long shot (USB) vs a sure thing (firewire) when it comes to data transfer.
I know people that don't use firewire could care less that the new Macbooks don't have them. I use firewire everyday and I still bought an alu. I still think it was honestly a mistake by apple to not include it. Not everybody is as dumb as me.
They lost more $ than they have gained by not adding a 5 cent part or whatever. Just because Apple didn't include firewire doesn't mean it's dead cause "Apple said so." I'm being objective here as an Alu macbook owner. 
Firewire is better than USB. If you don't need firewire though, it doesn't matter. I kind of need firewire, and I still bought the Alu Macbook for $100 more than the white macbook.
I'm taking a gamble that USB will do okay for me. I will be using a Mbox 2 (USB) for audio recording and using my external hard drive with the USB instead of firewire. USB being able to keep up the hard drive honestly scares me more than the audio interface. My camera uses SDHC cards that connect through a USB Device, so I'm cool there. If I had a firewire camera, no way I could use usb. I liked the Alu Macbook over the white one so much that I bet a long shot (USB) vs a sure thing (firewire) when it comes to data transfer.
I know people that don't use firewire could care less that the new Macbooks don't have them. I use firewire everyday and I still bought an alu. I still think it was honestly a mistake by apple to not include it. Not everybody is as dumb as me.
I don't think Apple lost more money than they would have gained over the firewire issue. The vast majority of consumers could care less, USB is the standard. The MacBook is geared towards consumers, though perfectly capable as a pro machine. But, that being said, Apple's key pro users are much more likely to use a MBP or Mac Pro for their work, and FW is still going strong on them.