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Yeah mine has been bricked by the firmware. Just awesome, now as I am not in the States there is no way to exchange it. Just awesome Sony, just awesome. :mad:

Take the HDD out and reformat it with your PC(If you have one:) ) ...put it back into your PS3 thats should work.

Note: You will lose all of your saves/downloads so keep that in mind.


Bless
 
Take the HDD out and reformat it with your PC(If you have one:) ) ...put it back into your PS3 thats should work.

Note: You will lose all of your saves/downloads so keep that in mind.


Bless

Yeah, don't have a PC, so it won't work. Oh well what can you do. I'll bring it in when I am in the States the next time, which means I am going to have no PS for the next 2-3 months...
 
Why would I bother when you clearly have some pent up issue with me.

The issue is that I often disagree with what you write. Most of the time I don't bother objecting, but this case is different. I'm sure I'm not alone. Hell, people disagree with me all the time. I don't get paranoid about it or threaten to take my toys home. Disagreement is a part of life.

If you can't be bothered backing up your opinions, then that isn't my fault. If you are going to chicken out and not answer the question, then that isn't my fault either. Why should you be believed if you won't back up what you say?

I'll ask you again: what problems do you think Home is designed to solve? I don't think you understand the problems, so I think your criticism of it falls rather flat.

You said:

Home imo started off life as a glorified over designed concept, a pseudo 3d front end to address the issues a lot of users had with PSN over Live (lack of friends interaction, achievements and such).

Is that your final answer? I think it's so obviously false that I gave you the opportunity to elaborate.
 
I'll ask you again: what problems do you think Home is designed to solve? I don't think you understand the problems, so I think your criticism of it falls rather flat.

Is that your final answer? I think it's so obviously false that I gave you the opportunity to elaborate.

I did not say it was designed to solve problems. I did not use the word problem at all. That is your interpretation of my post alone.

When Home was first announced it was received very much as a 'LIVE' killer. A reaction to criticism PSN had received from both users/gamers and the media in regards to its missing features over the Live service, including as I already posted friends lists, in game messaging & game invites, lack of achievement points, no in-game XMB access and such.

This has subsequently evolved as all products and ideas do to become a MMO meeting place and what seemingly is given more and more emphasis 'a marketplace'. This is my interpretation of home.

However I still don't quite get the concept.

Sure you can walk to the cinema, see a trailer, download or hire a movie - great but why not just do that from PSN store.

Sure you can walk up to strangers, engage in a bit of chat and go bowling - but why not just give me the ability to invite friend to come play COD4 or any other proper PS3 multiplayer game whilst i'm in that game, rather than boot in and out of a game to do so.

Granted I have not tried the BETA of HOME and I may be missing the point entirely, but let me ask you instead of asking me to repeatedly justify my reasons for 'not seeing the point', could you maybe instead enlighten us with your own opinion other than just stating mine is wrong.

You have made NO attempt at putting your opinion of HOME across, instead you have merely just gone on the attack.

You say in a previous post of yours

Agathon said:
Look, no matter how high an opinion you have of yourself, you do not own other people's utterances.

I think its about time you start practicing what you preach rather than jumping down the throats of others and writing snippy comments and personal attacks.
 
The issue is that I often disagree with what you write. Most of the time I don't bother objecting, but this case is different. I'm sure I'm not alone. Hell, people disagree with me all the time. I don't get paranoid about it or threaten to take my toys home. Disagreement is a part of life.

I disagree with him too on many occasions, but I wouldn't be as insulting as you have been.

If you can't be bothered backing up your opinions, then that isn't my fault. If you are going to chicken out and not answer the question, then that isn't my fault either. Why should you be believed if you won't back up what you say?

I'll ask you again: what problems do you think Home is designed to solve? I don't think you understand the problems, so I think your criticism of it falls rather flat.

Why don't you explain it to us since apparently MRU and the rest of us are "ignorant" on the subject. I'm giving you the "opportunity to elaborate" on your view right now. Don't "chicken out and not [respond]".
 
I'll ask you again: what problems do you think Home is designed to solve? I don't think you understand the problems, so I think your criticism of it falls rather flat.
Oh oh! Can I play?

Well, Sony thought it wasn't enough to have racist, ignorant jerks that hide behind pseudonyms in games, they decided to have them hanging out in a virtual world outside of the games as well.

And they thought it would be even better to complicate the whole trophy viewing, video watching, demo downloading process.

They also wanted to make it easier for all the people that have social disorders to actually make 'friends' to play with together.

And of course the main problem... not enough $$$ in Sony's pockets.

But all of this is assuming Sony releases Home before the PS4 comes out.


As I mentioned earlier, I agree with MRU with this one. I think it is completely overhyped and just Sony's form of an apology for failing to deliver the DS3 and in-game XMB in a timely manner. 'We're sorry, now buy virtual clothes and furniture for your virtual you.'

I'm betting you are super excited about trophies too, aren't you?
 
I..I am.. :eek: *nervously raises hand* ^^;;
No need to be 'embarrassed'. I couldn't care less about them. But whatever. And I think I came down a little too hard on 2nyRiggz about it earlier. (If you read this, sorry 2ny!) It will be cool if trophies do indeed convert to points for the PSN store though.
 
I did not say it was designed to solve problems. I did not use the word problem at all. That is your interpretation of my post alone.

Pray tell, did you not say:

Meh! I predict Home to be a small wave in a shallow puddle. I really can't see why people are getting hyped about it.

It's an overdesigned solution to a problem which now has a simple solution, therefore it's importance in the scheme of things is negligable.

You said it, bro.

When Home was first announced it was received very much as a 'LIVE' killer. A reaction to criticism PSN had received from both users/gamers and the media in regards to its missing features over the Live service, including as I already posted friends lists, in game messaging & game invites, lack of achievement points, no in-game XMB access and such.

This has subsequently evolved as all products and ideas do to become a MMO meeting place and what seemingly is given more and more emphasis 'a marketplace'. This is my interpretation of home.

However I still don't quite get the concept.

Evidently

Sure you can walk to the cinema, see a trailer, download or hire a movie - great but why not just do that from PSN store.

Sure you can walk up to strangers, engage in a bit of chat and go bowling - but why not just give me the ability to invite friend to come play COD4 or any other proper PS3 multiplayer game whilst i'm in that game, rather than boot in and out of a game to do so.

Granted I have not tried the BETA of HOME and I may be missing the point entirely, but let me ask you instead of asking me to repeatedly justify my reasons for 'not seeing the point', could you maybe instead enlighten us with your own opinion other than just stating mine is wrong.

You have made NO attempt at putting your opinion of HOME across, instead you have merely just gone on the attack.

No. I asked you for yours before I would give you mine. I think you're closer with the MMO suggestion.

HOME is designed to fix certain problems that services like XBox Live don't fix. Xbox Live in respect of its social aspects is really not much more than a version of MSN Instant Messenger/Hotmail. It gives you a friends list and tells you who's on and what they are doing, and allows you to communicate with them and invite them to games. There are peripheral services like the web forum, which not many people use.

That's not really much of a community, and it ignores the two most important online developments of the last few years: MMOs and social networking. Xbox Live doesn't do a very good job of creating an enveloping community around all the games. Where do you go in Xbox Live to meet other gamers who have similar interests to you that you don't already know? The answer is: in particular games. That's all well and good, but it makes it difficult to connect with people for other reasons. One is that people own different games, and apart from chat, there isn't much of a way to interact with them inside XBL. Another is that enabling people to advertise their other preferences (music, film, culture, etc.) within the service will make it much easier to find better friends. HOME is designed to increase the interaction between players to improve the online experience and make friendships "stickier".

There's a great truth here. People do go online to look for friends to play the games they have. But there is also a great deal of value in going online to find friends who you will then want to co-ordinate game purchases with.

The average WoW player has hordes of friends and acquaintances, because it is really easy to meet the avatars of other people. I haven't played WoW for over a year now, but I still keep in regular contact with old friends from the game. I know I am not alone in this. The MMO model leads to "stickier" friendships because it provides a common meeting space for avatars in the form of a virtual world. XBL has no enclosing virtual world like this. Where do you go in WoW if you want to find something to do? You go to Ironforge and you start asking people in the chat channel. You never know what you might end up doing. Could be an instance, or a PvP battle or a raid on the horde territories. IIRC HOME is designed so you can do this for PS3 games.

Home provides a common non-competitive interactive space. XBL does not have that. That's why HOME is much more ambitious than Xbox Live. It is trying to build a community of people who game, not merely hook people up piecemeal for games.

So why a virtual world? Well imagine that you tried to get a sports club running in your city. However, you weren't allowed to actually meet other players face to face unless you were actually playing a game. If you wanted to organize a game, you'd have to organize it on the field (and there are many fields scattered throughout the city, so this is hard) or you'd have to organize it by phone, IM and email without seeing the other players in person in between games. That's essentially what XBL is like. There is very little in the way of common space or sense of overarching community. There is just a network of private associations, and no general common space where you can simply find other players.

It's obvious that such an arrangement IRL would be really really weird. The obvious solution is to build a big hall where the entire club can meet and people can get to know each other and then decide what games they want to play. That's why pretty much every sports club has a clubhouse, a building where no games are actually played, but where people can gather, socialize and plan games. HOME is really just a virtual clubhouse. Moreover, every community is like this. That's why we have town halls and town squares and other public spaces. HOME is just an attempt to bring a public space into the middle of the private spaces of individual gaming sessions.

That is why they are trying to build a version of Second Life.

Who knows if it will actually work. I'd expect to see the next version of XBL take a similar approach based on social networking.

In short, that's why I think you are wrong about HOME. It isn't intended to do just the same as XBL, but to provide a common non-competitive space to meet people and find games and friends. Sony chose the MMO model rather than the Myspace model probably because it is easier to deal with people as an avatar than as a page. Both, however, would be an improvement over XBL.

Again, people are free to disagree with my view. I won't take it personally. I just think you are missing the point of HOME.

You say in a previous post of yours

There's a big difference between LeeKohler attributing an odd interpretation of standard English sentences used by myself and another poster and me trying to work out what you mean with nonstandard English (Jesus.. Kohler was calling out the other guy as a homophobe, and the dude was gay).

It's not the same at all. In one case someone is deliberately misinterpreting a correct use of English, and in the other, someone is trying to interpret your non-idiomatic sentence.

I think its about time you start practicing what you preach rather than jumping down the throats of others and writing snippy comments and personal attacks.

Are you really Irish? Man up, dude. Stop being so paranoid. Disagreeing with you and thinking what you write is rubbish is not a personal attack. For all I know, you're the bee's knees in person.

Here's the rub. If you are going to pontificate in this forum, don't be surprised if people who disagree call on you to defend your pontifications. If you aren't prepared to take that, then don't pontificate in the first place. And you pontificate more than anyone else in this subforum.
 
Great bit about the social aspect of home vs XBL.

The thing about home that most excites me is it's putting your gaming glory infront of you and for others to see. Far more gratifying than a small 2D thing.

I really think it's hard to really meet friends in non-mmo settings. For one games like FPS are often so fast paced that other than shouting commands at each other, there really is no small talk to be made.

The fact that is is new and innovative is the reason it gets all the hype and it deserves it. When things like in game XMB come out they really don't have the same hype (more of anticipation of something that people have wanted in the PS3 for ages)

I've always really admired Sony for never really cutting and running from consoles like Nintendo does. It still supports the PS2 strongly and even released a blockbuster like God of War 2 when it could have ported it with better graphics to the PS3. Sony seems to be the most dedicated to listening to fans and critics and fixing the issues at hand.
 
What do I win? :D

kudos... mucho kudos :)

I think the number of people with social disorders is already the majority on XBL. My experience on PSN has been somewhat better. Why wouldn't you want to include as many people as possible? There's money in it. It's also much better at reeling in casual players. If you don't have the time to develop an extensive friends list, just go to the town square and look for like minded people.

The clubhouse or public space model is the universal solution to this problem in meatspace. There's no reason not to try an analogue in virtual space.

Think about clans. It would be so much easier for a clan to have an online meeting room where members can gather and co-ordinate games, than relying on friends lists or some horrible web site. There's a reason why MMO players always want guild housing.
 
Great bit about the social aspect of home vs XBL.

The thing about home that most excites me is it's putting your gaming glory infront of you and for others to see. Far more gratifying than a small 2D thing.

Yeah, it's like hanging out in front of the Ironforge bank (I guess Shattrath these days) with those massive epic shoulder pieces that scream: "this playa is a badass".
 
Pray tell, did you not say:

You said it, bro.

Doh! Ok but I didn't mean it in that sense at all. I clarify I meant it in terms of issues about what PSN lacked over LIVE.

No. I asked you for yours before I would give you mine. I think you're closer with the MMO suggestion.

So a second life / simesque MMO is close to the ball park. So I'm not totally missing the concept - just the reasoning behind it.


HOME is designed to fix certain problems that services like XBox Live don't fix. Xbox Live in respect of its social aspects is really not much more than a version of MSN Instant Messenger/Hotmail. It gives you a friends list and tells you who's on and what they are doing, and allows you to communicate with them and invite them to games. There are peripheral services like the web forum, which not many people use.

That's not really much of a community, and it ignores the two most important online developments of the last few years: MMOs and social networking. Xbox Live doesn't do a very good job of creating an enveloping community around all the games. Where do you go in Xbox Live to meet other gamers who have similar interests to you that you don't already know? The answer is: in particular games. That's all well and good, but it makes it difficult to connect with people for other reasons. One is that people own different games, and apart from chat, there isn't much of a way to interact with them inside XBL. Another is that enabling people to advertise their other preferences (music, film, culture, etc.) within the service will make it much easier to find better friends. HOME is designed to increase the interaction between players to improve the online experience and make friendships "stickier".

There's a great truth here. People do go online to look for friends to play the games they have. But there is also a great deal of value in going online to find friends who you will then want to co-ordinate game purchases with.

The average WoW player has hordes of friends and acquaintances, because it is really easy to meet the avatars of other people. I haven't played WoW for over a year now, but I still keep in regular contact with old friends from the game. I know I am not alone in this. The MMO model leads to "stickier" friendships because it provides a common meeting space for avatars in the form of a virtual world. XBL has no enclosing virtual world like this. Where do you go in WoW if you want to find something to do? You go to Ironforge and you start asking people in the chat channel. You never know what you might end up doing. Could be an instance, or a PvP battle or a raid on the horde territories. IIRC HOME is designed so you can do this for PS3 games.

Home provides a common non-competitive interactive space. XBL does not have that. That's why HOME is much more ambitious than Xbox Live. It is trying to build a community of people who game, not merely hook people up piecemeal for games.

So why a virtual world? Well imagine that you tried to get a sports club running in your city. However, you weren't allowed to actually meet other players face to face unless you were actually playing a game. If you wanted to organize a game, you'd have to organize it on the field (and there are many fields scattered throughout the city, so this is hard) or you'd have to organize it by phone, IM and email without seeing the other players in person in between games. That's essentially what XBL is like. There is very little in the way of common space or sense of overarching community. There is just a network of private associations, and no general common space where you can simply find other players.

It's obvious that such an arrangement IRL would be really really weird. The obvious solution is to build a big hall where the entire club can meet and people can get to know each other and then decide what games they want to play. That's why pretty much every sports club has a clubhouse, a building where no games are actually played, but where people can gather, socialize and plan games. HOME is really just a virtual clubhouse. Moreover, every community is like this. That's why we have town halls and town squares and other public spaces. HOME is just an attempt to bring a public space into the middle of the private spaces of individual gaming sessions.

That is why they are trying to build a version of Second Life.

Who knows if it will actually work. I'd expect to see the next version of XBL take a similar approach based on social networking.

Thank you - you could have actually posted that the first time without the need to be insulting. Your viewpoint is interesting and makes good reading. I'm not sure everyone however want's a MMO world, but it is an interesting concept granted, and your right who knows if it will work. But fair do's to Sony for at least trying somthing new.

I still fear it could just end up microtransaction city though, which is a fear I have about the whole gaming thing in general, not just home.



Are you really Irish? Man up, dude. Stop being so paranoid. Disagreeing with you and thinking what you write is rubbish is not a personal attack. For all I know, you're the bee's knees in person.

So why bring my nationality now into the equation if you are not personally attacking. 'Man up, Dude', so because I found your tone questionable I'm not a man? See that sentance is personal and is an attack.

Your right we can all disagree with each other, and I genuinly respect others opinions. Enough that I wouldn't just post.

I see that you don't understand it. No surprise really.

Tell me what you think Home is about. I think you don't know. You have form here.

Notice the emphasis, this wasn't just general disagreement. You clearly singled me out and with the tone and manner that came accross very arrogant and highly insulting and I'm obviously not the only one who read them thinking the same thing.

michealltd said:
I disagree with him too on many occasions, but I wouldn't be as insulting as you have been.
 
Doh! Ok but I didn't mean it in that sense at all. I clarify I meant it in terms of issues about what PSN lacked over LIVE.

So a second life / simesque MMO is close to the ball park. So I'm not totally missing the concept - just the reasoning behind it.

Okey Doke.

Thank you - you could have actually posted that the first time without the need to be insulting. Your viewpoint is interesting and makes good reading. I'm not sure everyone however want's a MMO world, but it is an interesting concept granted, and your right who knows if it will work. But fair do's to Sony for at least trying somthing new.

I still fear it could just end up microtransaction city though, which is a fear I have about the whole gaming thing in general, not just home.

Fair enough.

So why bring my nationality now into the equation if you are not personally attacking. 'Man up, Dude', so because I found your tone questionable I'm not a man? See that sentance is personal and is an attack.

Have people stopped winding each other up in Ireland? It must have changed a lot since I last visited.

Notice the emphasis, this wasn't just general disagreement. You clearly singled me out and with the tone and manner that came accross very arrogant and highly insulting and I'm obviously not the only one who read them thinking the same thing.

Some of the things you post set my teeth on edge (particularly past PS3 bashing). It's nothing personal. You aren't the only one either. But that's life.
 
Some of the things you post set my teeth on edge (particularly past PS3 bashing). It's nothing personal. You aren't the only one either. But that's life.

Hey I get flack from all sides. Look at how much wii and 360 bashing I have done too. It doesn't stop me owning and enjoying all of them. ;) :)


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back OT (firmware).. :)

So one of my PS3's (Euro model) has been updated to 2.40 without a problem.

This leaves my 60gb (albeit with a 160 now) USA launch PS3 to be updated.

I have the 2.4 firmware downloaded on my mac and put onto an external drive.
I'm nervous now to do so, so was thinking of holding off updating for a week or two until we get the all clear.

Do we have an idea of how big a problem the 2.4 firmware has caused yet and is it bascially only a corruption of data on the HDD or does it effect the system as whole if it goes wrong ?
 
I've always really admired Sony for never really cutting and running from consoles like Nintendo does. It still supports the PS2 strongly and even released a blockbuster like God of War 2 when it could have ported it with better graphics to the PS3. Sony seems to be the most dedicated to listening to fans and critics and fixing the issues at hand.

Huh? Nintendo supported most their systems after they've "expired", it just didn't happen with the N64 or Cube since they had minimal market impact. How can you say that when they own the Gameboy brand (they even made new games compatible with older systems, nobody else had done that before and nobody has since)?

Reasons why PS1 and PS2 game development continued into their respective next gen systems - Cheaper than going to next gen and a much larger market. If the PS3 continues as it does now I wouldn't expect a similar stretch to the previous PS systems, unless development costs are greatly increased.
 
Do we have an idea of how big a problem the 2.4 firmware has caused yet and is it bascially only a corruption of data on the HDD or does it effect the system as whole if it goes wrong ?

Good question but it has messed up mine completely and to an extent where Sony just wants me to exchange it. On the phone they said that they wouldn't even repair it.
 
Do we have an idea of how big a problem the 2.4 firmware has caused yet and is it bascially only a corruption of data on the HDD or does it effect the system as whole if it goes wrong ?

It seems like its a small percentage of people that were affected by the corrupted update. I updated successfully yesterday morning and played for some hours testing ingame XMB.

It has been stated on the PS blog that if you updated successfully then theres no harm to your system so thats a relief.

Diatribe are they fixing it for free?

asxtb...its all good man..hope I don't see you whoring for trophies:p...I'm kidding


Bless
 
Btw, I have not had problems with my 2.40 install. I have since backed up my PS3 onto an external disk (I suggest all of you do the same) using the backup utility found under System Settings.
 
I was able to update to FW 2.40 before Sony pulled the update. I've had zero problems so far. My favourite feature of course is the clock, but then again I'm waiting for the patches so we can listen to our music.

For anyone who got a bricked PS3 because of FW 2.40. There are a few solutions on the web. I believe you can pull out the hard drive, start up your PS3, put it back in and format it... there's pretty much no way to get your data back if your PS3 bricked because of FW 2.40.
 
Do you say that to all the guys ;):p:D

No, just the people who post big :D. I just hate scrolling down to read more. I get lost :p

Yeah I got 2.40 and it works just fine, now we need 2.40 to get fixed for everyone else, and then some patches so I can actually USE the features in 2.40.
 
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