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Electric company?

Don't these 24" monitor use more power (excluding the charging of a macbook).

Apple led display: when charging macbook pro - 212 watts (-85 watts) 127watts

Samsung SM2463 LCD - 55 Watts

So it would seem your electric company would rather people use the new LED display



We all must, because Steve said so

The Samsung is most likely using a TN panel, which uses less power than IPS or *VA panels that is most likely in the Apple LED Cinema Display. This is just a characteristic of IPS or *VA panels.
 
Maybe with the volume of notebooks sold and the way this is marketed it will actually work out well for Apple

IF they come out with an adapter for those of us with older macbooks and macbook pros. As it stands now, we are left in the cold and my white macbook is only 7 months old. I will not (not that I can afford to right now; especially since my laptop works, and this economy) be upgrading or buying another laptop for 2-3 years; maybe longer.

also what about the people who are still using their PPC laptops (powerbook, ibook - I still see and hear those floating around). Yeah, they do not have a magsafe, but they probably could benefit from the USB and display.

I say Apple needs to come out with the adapter, or come out with a similar monitor for us who still use the mini-dvi (and for less money).
 
I do have an question about external monitors. On the white macbook, if you run it in clamshell mode, does it divert more quality to the external monitor, or change the resolution settings?

I am not sure if it is my eyes being distracted by the mirroring, but it seems when the macbook is in clamshell mode, the external monitor looks crisper (especially text) than if I have the macbook open. With it open, the external monitor appears more fuzzy.
 
This thing is WAY too expensive. Throw in a couple of hundred more, and you have an iMac. WTF? :mad:
 
But as mentioned earlier in this thread, doesn't EVERY pro-level CRT display have a glass screen? Don't pros tend to use hoods to cut glare when doing sensitive graphic design/color work

The graphics industry adopted Macs as a working standard around 1991/2/3. I think that this was mainly based on software (like QuarkXPress) but the cool-factor of Macs had something to do with it as well.
Back then, these Pros (never specifying what type of professional) would bitch about the same things.

Apple has a strong consumer-oriented history, in fact, think of their work in user-interface and things like the one-button mouse.
Another pillar of Apple's company is the hardware/software connection. They were never a pure hardware company to begin with.

I'm not a hardcore color-pro, but I still do some professional print work and I find that my color accuracy always depended on my relation with my printer—their willingness to make test prints, me knowing their equipment—more then on the hardcore-ness of my own set up (or the endless exchange of color profiles and pantone codes, for that matter).


Some observations on my MacBook's display, that I think also go for the Studio Displays:
My LED-backlit MacBook is very evenly lit compared to my Powerbook, which balances out (outweighs?) the gloss to me.
This type of glass (plastic?) covered display feels MUCH less fragile than the uncovered matte ones I've had.
 
If it gets hurt by that, why does it support this modus of operation anyway? It worked perfectly fine fo my blackbook, which I used to put in a vertical position right behind my black Samsung 24" LCD. Placed between the display and it's stand, revealing the white :apple: logo to me when I looked at it. It worked perfectly for 3 years! Watch the temperature though!

However I stopped doing that with the silver MacBook because the colour doesn't match and it looks awful. I was hoping to buy a 24" LED cinema display to re-establish that nice setup but I don't know wether there is enough space between display and stand of the cinema display to do so.

I do not have all the answers, but here is what I noticed...

The vent on my white macbook is behind the hinge (your blackbook may be the same). It appears to have 2-3 rows for the vent. With the lid closed, the hinge pretty much blocks the top row. with the lid closed, all I can see is the bottom row, and there is not much space to allow airflow.

I have my macbook on a cool pad (may consider reversing the fans, so that it blows cool air on the laptop; rather than drawing heat away [the cool pad has feet, so there is space between the macbook and the pad, so I do not think that it is drawing away that much heat]).

What I noticed with it in clamshell mode, the keyboard area is hotter and that made the LCD warmer. i am worried about damage to the LCD also. I had a Dell laptop that the LCD cracked on. I also ready many articles (especially Dells), where it seemed the LCD cracked after closing the lid. Most people are attributing it to the heat.

I am wondering - are the new macbooks the same, with the hinge restricting the vent? I hate to say go the route of PC's (and the MBA is too thin to allow this). But there seems to be a lot of wasted space on the sides of the laptops - can't they do like PC's and put a large exhaust fan on the side? I mean it is ugly, but it would fix the airflow issue. especially for clamshell usage.
 
They do look awfully purdy, it's just the whole mess of cables and adapters that's putting me off.
 
This thing is WAY too expensive. Throw in a couple of hundred more, and you have an iMac. WTF? :mad:

I agree this is sheer stupidity! Mac Book Pro = $1999
24" Display = $900
Total after taxes and shipping well over $3000!

* 24" 3.06Ghz iMac sells for only $2199 and how many people really need a 24" iMac other the those who just want the bragging rights. Apples current pricing is simply mind blowing to me.
 
They do look awfully purdy, it's just the whole mess of cables and adapters that's putting me off.

Well, I posted enough about my setup that cost me about $300 to put together. It works, but when you talk about the cables - consider that over these pictures. Hopefully it will not be like the last time upload pictures (the display was huge)... Because my USB cable is black and the LAN cable is blue, they do not show well in the picture (because I work alot on the internet, I have my lan hardwired for faster speed over airport).
Ignore the unplugged VGA cable - I switched to to DVI, just did not disconnect it from the monitor yet)

And yes, this is the reason why I need a true dock...
 
I agree this is sheer stupidity! Mac Book Pro = $1999
24" Display = $900
Total after taxes and shipping well over $3000!

* 24" 3.06Ghz iMac sells for only $2199 and how many people really need a 24" iMac other the those who just want the bragging rights. Apples current pricing is simply mind blowing to me.

Again, the price is due to the fact that it is an LED LCD display. Find another manufacturer that has one much below this price range - Apple has uncharacteristically placed it at a very competitive price point. The iMac does NOT use an LED screen. That is why it is cheaper.

Prices for LEDs will come down in time, but for now, this is actually a great price for this technology. If you don't feel that it is worth it, the 23" Cinema Displays are all still readily available and still work wonderfully.

the same monitors cost 100-300 at walmart.

No they don't. Walmart doesn't sell monitors anywhere near this caliber. You may find 24" monitors, but the LCD screen technology is not LED-based, and they aren't even close to the IPS standard of better screens.
 
The UK price of these things is just beyond crazy. Now that the pound's fallen the dollar equivalent is close to $1000, but it used to be $1300. That's when we were paid, and that's what the price feels like to UK shoppers.

I understand the technological/design reason behind displayport, but I feel Apple should have created an active HDCP-compliant convertor.

Still, this is clearly aimed at consumers rather than as a replacement for the pro ACDs. I think a proper replacement for those is still coming.
 
The Samsung is most likely using a TN panel, which uses less power than IPS or *VA panels that is most likely in the Apple LED Cinema Display. This is just a characteristic of IPS or *VA panels.

Makes a mockery of those pointing out it's more environmentally friendly then.

Maybe more environmentally friendly once it's destroyed.
 
I agree this is sheer stupidity! Mac Book Pro = $1999
24" Display = $900
Total after taxes and shipping well over $3000!

* 24" 3.06Ghz iMac sells for only $2199 and how many people really need a 24" iMac other the those who just want the bragging rights. Apples current pricing is simply mind blowing to me.

Yikes - for that price, get a mac pro and a lower cost monitor from walmart. You don't have the portability with a MBP, so you would have to transfer your data. But yep, if I was up upgrade (and this is not even a MBP, this is just to get me close (CPU-same, more memory, hard drive-same to what I have now in my MB white):

MacBook, 13-inch, Aluminum
Part Number: Z0FV
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
250GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Backlit Keyboard (English) / User's Guide
Accessory kit

Apple LED Cinema Display (24" flat panel)
Part Number: MB382LL/A
$899.00

AppleCare Protection Plan for MacBook Air/MacBook - Auto-enroll
Part Number: S3136LL/A $249.00
Estimated Ship: Within 24 hours

Free Shipping: $0.00
Estimated Tax*: $195.55

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Estimated Total: $3,092.55

Sorry, I cannot see the logic in this.....
 
Makes a mockery of those pointing out it's more environmentally friendly then.
Maybe more environmentally friendly once it's destroyed.
TN panels produce a lower-quality image. If Apple used TN panels everybody would complain about that (it actually does in the 20" iMac).

If Apple uses TN panels, people complain about low quality (eg, narrow viewing angle).
If Apple uses PVA panels, people complain that they cost more and consume more energy than TN panels.
If Apple uses CCFL (Cold cathode fluorescent lamps) backlights, people complain about energy consumption and mercury.
If Apple uses LED backlights, people complain about higher cost.
 
Arstechnica said:
The real nicety of the display is that Mac OS X knows when you have attached the display to use its integrated devices. That is, when you've hooked it all up, it will use the iSight in the display instead of the notebook's...
When I tried this with a MacBook Pro and the LED display in an Apple Store, it wasn't so simple. iChat AV gave me a choice of which camera to use, but Photo Booth did not. Two Apple employees tried to help me switch Photo Booth to the LED's camera, but we could not find a way to do it. Maybe there's a nonintuitive trick, maybe only certain applications support both cameras, or maybe a Mac OS X software update is required, but as of 2 weeks ago it didn't change cameras automatically as this implies.
 
If you don't feel that it is worth it, the 23" Cinema Displays are all still readily available and still work wonderfully.

No, the 23" has been discontinued and are no longer on the web site. If you can find them in stock somewhere, then you can get it.
 
Is there really no way to connect a 17" DVI MacBook Pro to the new mini-Displayport 24" Cinema Display? We mistakenly ordered one on our developer account to go with a new 17" laptop. Rather like to adapt it if that is even a possibility...
 
People, color space information?

Does this new monitor show more colors for the money?

Does it do the Adobe RGB color-space like lower priced Dell monitors do?

Showing more colors is definitely the Apple thing to do !
 
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