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First 24" LED Cinema Displays Arrive
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I have no idea.... the 360 looks great on it though, hehe
Anyhow, apart from possibly upgrading the picture quality from amazingly clear to a "bit more" amazingly clear...... functionality (is that a word?) wise, does this monitor do anything that my current set up wont?
If your getting good image quality from your HDTV I would not bother looking at the ADC. If your TV is going to do what you want there is no reason to downgrade to a smaller display, unless that is what you want.
I totally dig it, but after seeing your 30"er the only thing you did was make me want a 30"er even more. XD
This display is really not for me. It's more of a gadget than a serious tool to work with.
Is apple going to replace the late 23" ACD? Or those with a Mac Pro are only left with the 30" and 20"?
There is no way I'm gonna use this PoS with a Mac Pro even if I had the mini display port. I don't need the iSight, don't need the USB hub, don't need the low-end speakers (not with Pro Tools HD3 and several monitors
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I wouldn't use it with my white macbook either.
The lack of a FW hub despite the fact that it is supposed to be made for the latest (worthless) laptops (one of which has FW).
I've been a mac fan and user for 20+ years. But all the latest products are extremely disappointing, no exceptions whatsoever.
To Steve Jobs: "Either it's really time you retire, or you seriously need to get it together. No more FW, WTF ? And your excuse is that digital cameras are all using USB. For one thing, people don't particularly want to buy a new camera when buying a new laptop, and second, mind you, cameras ARE NOT the only devices you can connect to a laptop. Think of a RME sound card, or any other serious pro sound card for example.
I doubt the owner of a DIGI 003 or and Mbox Pro, is gonna buy one of your new laptops, ever...
Start taking your pills again dude, you'll see, you'll feel better. "
Sorry for the OT.
Is apple going to replace the late 23" ACD? Or those with a Mac Pro are only left with the 30" and 20"?
There is no way I'm gonna use this PoS with a Mac Pro even if I had the mini display port. I don't need the iSight, don't need the USB hub, don't need the low-end speakers (not with Pro Tools HD3 and several monitors
)I wouldn't use it with my white macbook either.
The lack of a FW hub despite the fact that it is supposed to be made for the latest (worthless) laptops (one of which has FW).
I've been a mac fan and user for 20+ years. But all the latest products are extremely disappointing, no exceptions whatsoever.
To Steve Jobs: "Either it's really time you retire, or you seriously need to get it together. No more FW, WTF ? And your excuse is that digital cameras are all using USB. For one thing, people don't particularly want to buy a new camera when buying a new laptop, and second, mind you, cameras ARE NOT the only devices you can connect to a laptop. Think of a RME sound card, or any other serious pro sound card for example.
I doubt the owner of a DIGI 003 or and Mbox Pro, is gonna buy one of your new laptops, ever...
Start taking your pills again dude, you'll see, you'll feel better.
"Sorry for the OT.
what a waste of money and time. A 24inch screen only mac laptops can use. Did I say waste of time and money, of`course all macs are, but I mean come on who in their right mind is going to spend money on this?
There are better cheaper screens out there, sure its got the apple brand but thats over priced as it is. I mean it might be worth something to some people if it could at least be used with real computers but no... only with mac laptops. Ofcourse they will sell like hotcakes to people who either think they are buying a mac or to people who are in love with the brand. There are no other reasons to buy it.
There are better cheaper screens out there, sure its got the apple brand but thats over priced as it is. I mean it might be worth something to some people if it could at least be used with real computers but no... only with mac laptops. Ofcourse they will sell like hotcakes to people who either think they are buying a mac or to people who are in love with the brand. There are no other reasons to buy it.
Does Apple ever read advertisements where I can buy a Samsung 24" LCD monitor for $400? I like the computers, iPods, iPhones, etc., but these monitors are a complete waste of money. Must be nice to pay twice the price to get something that uses a port so new that probably 99 percent of the public doesn't even know exists.
I actually just replaced my 23" ACD's with 24" Samsung. Will never turn back!!!
Apple Displays are overpriced PoS.
My guess is this is the panel
Samsung PVA LTM240W1-L04 1920x1200 12ms G2G 1000 : 1 300 178/178 16.7m
Closet specs to what Apple is listing on their specification page:
# Display colors (maximum): 16.7 million
# Viewing angle: 178° horizontal; 178° vertical
# Brightness (typical): 330 cd/m2
# Contrast ratio (typical): 1000:1
# Response time (typical): 14 ms
I would think Apple are well aware of prices in the display market and that is why we have this display. Apple aren't a competitior in the display market, how would they ever compete with Samsung, when Samsung make their own panels? Or with Dell or HP who are selling in huge volume way beyond Apple. Apple only sell two systems that need a display. One of which is all but dead and the other has a very small volume of sales.
Apple's displays are there to complement their other products and that is what this does, infact I'd say that although it has a couple of issues (glossy, cost) it is perfectly suited to it's intended aim. Which appears to be to extend the current Mac notebooks with a desk display. Maybe with the volume of notebooks sold and the way this is marketed it will actually work out well for Apple or maybe it'll be shunned and they will try a different approach next time, but they aren't going to be trying to grab a share of the display market with cheap prices and crappy panels.
Okay - you made me laugh."Trendwhore idiots" is a good quotable.
IPS is tops for profiling and is 2nd for movie playback. This is where PVA is a fair compromise. PVA type screens for most non commercial users are a fair compromise on colour accuracy and 'animated playback' of movie files. This is assuming you don't buy the "el cheapo" junk thats out there and get a decent LCD. It is close enough for non-press work.
If Apple would use quality PVA screens and hardware, that would be more than fine for typical users.
Most folks who want a monitor for graphics don't even bother with Cinema Displays they jump over to Eizo, NEC and the like. What would be nice is if Apple did create a "professional" monitor that fall within what you stated with respect to IPS and included 24/30 inch sizes. For me, the Wacom 21 inch tablet is impressively accurate for profiling purposes. I deal with photo restoration/retouch and it does well against print profiling.
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This is what I have:
2433BW
#24"
# Display colors (maximum): 16.7 million
# Brightness (typical): 300/m2
# Contrast Ratio: DC 20 000:1 (Static 1000:1)
# 1920 x 1200
# Response time: 5 (GTG)
# Viewing angle: 170° H /160° V
Most phones have crappy cameras but the iPhone camera is significantly better than my Treo was and the specs are similar from what I remember. Sending MMS and doing video could be limits from AT&T and not directly from Apple. Well, and it is, in the end, a phone.
You describe the MacBook. Face it, matte is so passé now. Heck, glossy is bleeding over into peecee notebooks. I've seen 11n in peecee notebooks for years. Try finding a firewire hard drive today. Apple is doing what it has to to maintain market. The MacBook was probably eating into MacBook Pro sales so making the 'pro' more pro is actually a fair call. For the 'average' Joe Six pack (I'm so tired of that term) they won't use half of the stuff on the MacBook anyway. Seriously. In the peecee world, look at the difference between XP Home and XP Pro.
Supporting fullsized DisplayPort connectors is a physical thing where supporting DVI and such will require a 'smart adapter' that can juggle the signals and keep coherent output. Blu-ray? I'm happier that it isn't on the notebooks. It'll raise the price and introduce another licensing elephant in the tent, plus I can't imagine it being very usable on say a subway or bumpy car/air plane. Besides, if you need to write Blu-ray, you aren't using a notebook properly or have obscene amounts of money to burn looking 'all that',
The Mac Mini is a bitch to upgrade. They don't have to put 'Warranty Void' stickers on the damn things, I can't open one without leaving marks that scream 'I've been violated'. They are cool but run hot. I am convinced that the Mini could be converted into a car model that would own the extremely small and evolving nascent car-computer market. Imagine a car with a wireless network (a 'CAN' - Car area network?) and a replaceable hard drive and the ability to play computer games, do internet and work with the iPhone, and your notebook, all in your car! Do a satellite (or cellular) add-on for constant communications and the possibilities are endless... Video capture of people harassing your wheels too... In car video. Podcasting from your road trip to the local store. Imagine the inane things that people could do...
In defense of the black 'toilet ring' around the monitors: I like it. It's got that near-retro-black-and-chrome look thing going on...
And seriously, the iMac is so damn close to perfect that tossing the design because people want 'the next big look' is crazy. Heck, from a manufacturing standpoint the iMac is a notebook turned on end with a damn good display for a heater. Glossy or matte doesn't matter to most people. I personally think that the glossy looks 'cleaner' and brighter. Crisper, minus the fingerprints.
I do like the idea of a matte finish notebook however. Aren't there aftermarket screen covers for glare and privacy? Like from 3M?
After sucking up to the iPhone (FINALLY!!!) I'm set for a while. I've got two years left on my Apple Care agreements so I have at least that long to live with my current crop of machines. I'm happy. Maybe in two years I'll be able to buy the next big thing from Apple. Hell, the way it's looking there might not be anyone to afford what Apple makes in two years.
And people, remember the Apple III, the Lisa, the Cube case, the endless line of Performa and Quadra systems that glutted the market. The choice of Jukebox over a better alternative for the iPod. Apple has proven themselves to be their own worst enemy in the past. Yet they somehow still manages to wow us and keep us coming back for more... Battered customer syndrome?
I like where Apple is. Yeah, the iMac had better have a DisplayPort connector on it and the Mini better be updated/upgraded (and upgradeable) in january but in the end, Apple will come out OK...
And seriously, the iMac is so damn close to perfect that tossing the design because people want 'the next big look' is crazy. Heck, from a manufacturing standpoint the iMac is a notebook turned on end with a damn good display for a heater. Glossy or matte doesn't matter to most people. I personally think that the glossy looks 'cleaner' and brighter. Crisper, minus the fingerprints.
I do like the idea of a matte finish notebook however. Aren't there aftermarket screen covers for glare and privacy? Like from 3M?
After sucking up to the iPhone (FINALLY!!!) I'm set for a while. I've got two years left on my Apple Care agreements so I have at least that long to live with my current crop of machines. I'm happy. Maybe in two years I'll be able to buy the next big thing from Apple. Hell, the way it's looking there might not be anyone to afford what Apple makes in two years.
And people, remember the Apple III, the Lisa, the Cube case, the endless line of Performa and Quadra systems that glutted the market. The choice of Jukebox over a better alternative for the iPod. Apple has proven themselves to be their own worst enemy in the past. Yet they somehow still manages to wow us and keep us coming back for more... Battered customer syndrome?
I like where Apple is. Yeah, the iMac had better have a DisplayPort connector on it and the Mini better be updated/upgraded (and upgradeable) in january but in the end, Apple will come out OK...
LED for Pro
an LED 'for Pro' will come...
this is for consumers, professionals i think should wait for macworld...
(remember that 30" coming up on stage...?)
an LED 'for Pro' will come...
this is for consumers, professionals i think should wait for macworld...
(remember that 30" coming up on stage...?)
Well, and the people who buy them. If I can choose between a backlight that doesn't loose power over time (LED), lasts much longer (LED) and achieves full brightness instantly (LED) or the existing tubes which will I take?
AppleMatt
Advantage:
magsafe to power/charge your macbook
1 cable coming out the back that octopusses into 3 cables (rather than 1 cable for magsafe, one cable for miniport display, one cable for speakers) - hence less wire clutter (I pretty much built the same setup kinda, and my desk is cluttered with cables). so the setup is cleaner and neater.
Integrated speakers though USB (do not have to plug separate cable into the headphone jack).
Disadvantage:
Costs as much (or more, considering price drops) as your 32" TV.
No TV tuner for when you want to watch something on regular TV (although with Hulu.com and other websites - which give you pretty much what you want to watch on demand - becoming a mute point).
Due to the proprietary port, cannot connect to a regular DVD/BluRay player (hurry up Apple with the connectors - or a third party company to make one).
If your macbook is an older one - you cannot use this monitor (yet).
Things I am not sure of:
1. Integrated speakers - will it sound good? also, for those who want surround sound - your gonna have to plug it into the headphone jack anyway.
2. Display: I have not seen one of these monitors yet, so begs to question, which will give you more high-def. this monitor or your TV? also with the gloss - will you have trouble viewing your movie. In my home, I have a traditional TV in the living room (have not upgraded yet - only upgraded the bedroom so far and put my wife's mini in there) - we have to close the curtains to keep the light from hitting the screen and not being able to see the picture. My TV is not as glossy as this thing appears to be (from the pictures people are posting). If you are only watching at night with the lights off, may not be a big deal.
I think it has trade off both ways, but if I was looking for entertainment only? and especially if I had a bunch of people over - I would consider the TV, theatre sound system system. I mean could you picture a bunch of people crowded around a 24 inch monitor
Now for my office, where it is just me - this might work.Plus LED backlights are at full brightness right after switching on (no slow increase in brightness during the first few minutes, no colour shifts during this warmup). And they don't have a colour drift over time, and thus need much less re-calibration and they last much longer. Most conventional backlights have developed such a noticeable colour shift after three to five years that they are unsuitable for colour-critical work.
So what? I can buy a 24 ´dell for a third of the price. 1920 x 1080, works with HDCP. I know, we all love to pay a premium for apple, but this one is not cool enought. It should be 27 inches IMHO. (a 27´dell is also less expensive) Same display, same price, but 27´ and now that will be interesting again. 24 is not big enought right know.
Electric company?
Don't these 24" monitor use more power (excluding the charging of a macbook).
Apple led display: when charging macbook pro - 212 watts (-85 watts) 127watts
Samsung SM2463 LCD - 55 Watts
So it would seem your electric company would rather people use the new LED display
We all must, because Steve said so
Don't these 24" monitor use more power (excluding the charging of a macbook).
Apple led display: when charging macbook pro - 212 watts (-85 watts) 127watts
Samsung SM2463 LCD - 55 Watts
So it would seem your electric company would rather people use the new LED display
Who cares about LED backlighting?
Get real.
We all must, because Steve said so