first benchmark of the iPhone 6 and.....

[IndoX]

The reality of the situation is that apart from gaming the real world difference in speed between a 5 and 5s is negligible.

I got the 5s launch day and barely noticed a difference in speed between the 5. So little that I returned my 5s and continued with my 5.

The 5s is already a completely capable phone and there may not be a need for a massive performance increase considering how well iOS runs on the current devices.

 

[sunking101]

I laugh at stuff like this. What a spoiled nation we have become when we bitch about a smartphone that has more computing power than NASA did when they put a man on the moon.

They did have rockets though to give them their due. Not a lot was computerised back then, chiefly because computers were rubbish.

 

[cfedu]

I think the 6 is basically the same as 5S with a bigger screen, the real performance bump will be in 6S

we already know whats coming in 6S

S will stand for Speed and Sapphire

Let's call it the 6SS

 

[NT1440]

Well if that being the case then it's a poor show from Apple.

How is that a poor show?

13% reduction in SoC size, while doubling the amount of transistors, a completed dedicated ISP, while gaining 25% CPU performance in normal iOS tasks AND nearly doubling GPU power again....IN A YEAR.

If you think that's something small, for an in house design in a YEAR, then you just don't understand anything about the topic.

Jeeze.

And another thing, the website lists the SoC as Cyclone...which is the A7, but they listed the .1 Ghz increase....in other words, WTF is this benchmark based on???

 

[justin216]

Expected. Hardware is faster, but there are far more pixels to push on the 6, and even more on the 6 Plus. I anticipate the 6 Plus to be at about parity with the 5S in graphical benchmarks, which isn't completely terrible since the 5S is screaming fast already.

 

[hasanahmad]

How is that a poor show?

13% reduction in SoC size, while doubling the amount of transistors, a completed dedicated ISP, while gaining 25% CPU performance in normal iOS tasks AND nearly doubling GPU power again....IN A YEAR.

If you think that's something small, for an in house design in a YEAR, then you just don't understand anything about the topic.

Jeeze.

in comparison to their previous bumps. this is the worst performance bump for an iPhone since the the inception of the iPhone. that is telling.

 

[wilky76]

The reality of the situation is that apart from gaming the real world difference in speed between a 5 and 5s is negligible.

I got the 5s launch day and barely noticed a difference in speed between the 5. So little that I returned my 5s and continued with my 5.

The 5s is already a completely capable phone and there may not be a need for a massive performance increase considering how well iOS runs on the current devices.

I totally agree with you there, but it's abit of a downer knowing your paying £500+ for a brand new smartphone, and only getting a small incremental increase in speed over the last generation that being the 5S, where when the 5S was launched it was a big increase over the 5, it just what you expect these days when a new generation of smartphone comes out.

 

[NT1440]

Expected. Hardware is faster, but there are far more pixels to push on the 6, and even more on the 6 Plus. I anticipate the 6 Plus to be at about parity with the 5S in graphical benchmarks, which isn't completely terrible since the 5S is screaming fast already.

The pixels have little to do with CPU performance, thats the GPU which is nearly twice as fast as the A7 PowerVR chip.

 

[SMIDG3T]

Calm down people.

The 6 and 6 Plus will be plenty fast enough!

Can we at least wait until we try it out ourselves?

 

[sunking101]

I totally agree with you there, but it's abit of a downer knowing your paying £500+ for a brand new smartphone, and only getting a small incremental increase in speed over the last generation that being the 5S, where when the 5S was launched it was a big increase over the 5, it just what you expect these days when a new generation of smartphone comes out.

In real world usage, the 5S was no faster than the i5. You got a better camera and Touch ID.
This time 'round you get a bigger screen and little else.

 

[nin7474]

I have a 5. So it'll be double for me.

 

[hasanahmad]

you know whats worse? the benchmark measures gaming performance aka GPU performance as well which is supposedly 50% faster than iPhone 5S. I shudder to think what the CPU solo performance benchmark will look like.

 

[wilky76]

In real world usage, the 5S was no faster than the i5. You got a better camera and Touch ID.
This time 'round you get a bigger screen and little else.

Not forgetting NFC and ac standard wifi.

 

[lordofthereef]

With the screen size increase and power consumption decrease of the CPU I wasn't expecting a performance increase. In fact, I am happy the performance actually went up rather than down.

 

[RyanTheGeneral]

So if this is true this is basically a screen boost for anyone going from 5s to a 6. For me I'm coming from a 5 so it should feel much smoother I would think. And the screen size was one of the reasons I had considered galaxy.

So I am happy - iPhone 6 for me. The plus is too big for my hands to use one handed.

 

[hasanahmad]

So if this is true this is basically a screen boost for anyone going from 5s to a 6. For me I'm coming from a 5 so it should feel much smoother I would think. And the screen size was one of the reasons I had considered galaxy.

So I am happy - iPhone 6 for me. The plus is too big for my hands to use one handed.

On the GeekBench scores
iPhone 3GS to iPhone 4 0.5 inch screen size increase had a 40% increase in performance, 5S to 6 has a 18 percent increase in performance

 

[Radiating]

5S is 20th on the list of phone performance overall. 6 is 17th, thats bad for a new phone not even released yet.

My concern is this phone will be fine for iOS 8., but if they want to add any new features which require even a hint of better performance, the 6 will suffer for it. I am afraid it might be the iPad 3 of the iPhones which had a worse performance than ipad 2 due to retina

That's not bad news at all because it's complete nonsense.

Apple has the fastest performance for a mobile device by an astronomical margin. It hurts my brain every time I see someone talk about mobile processors like this.

In the real world it is a proven and tested fact that single core performance is what actually determines performance for the overwhelming majority of usage scenarios on a mobile device. In fact on average 97% of the computation done on a mobile phone is done on a single core.

Even on desktops the majority of the computation is done one 3 or less cores. That's why the $10,000 12 core Mac Pro is absolutely destroyed in many photoshop, lightroom and video encoding benchmarks when compared to any normal high end 4 core desktop.

Notice how the computer that scores twice as high on benchmarks is noticeably slower in the real world?

For a mobile device the performance of the fastest single core will determine typical application speed.
For a laptop or desktop, the performance of the fastest 3 cores combined will determine typical application speed.

Why? Because that is how the applications are designed.

 

[zbarvian]

Who cares. The geek bench score is still top class, as good if not better than any other phone, and we can't expect 2x speed improvements anymore. It's modestly faster than an already blisteringly fast chipset, with sustained performance and more power efficiency.

 

[Phightinphils]

I won't believe any benchmarks til the 20th

 

[dubels]

I totally agree with you there, but it's abit of a downer knowing your paying £500+ for a brand new smartphone, and only getting a small incremental increase in speed over the last generation that being the 5S, where when the 5S was launched it was a big increase over the 5, it just what you expect these days when a new generation of smartphone comes out.

Umm do you read? He just stated he returned his 5s because his real world experience of the performance increase between the 5s and 5 was minimal. Apple designs phone updates for two year cycles. This phone was never designed for the 5s crowd. It was designed for those coming from the 5 or lower. They have done that since the 3s. It wasn't until recently that US carriers allowed people to upgrade after 1 yr.

Also the development from the 5s to 6 wasn't like the 5 to the 5s. When the 5s was developed it was not a complete change in form factor. They put out a new phone in a different form with increased performance and added features fairly quickly. In the end if you don't like the phone Apple is not forcing you to spend £500+ for a brand new phone every year. Nor are they telling you to wait online and pre-order it withiut actually testing out the phone in person first. They really owe you no duty to make the products exactly the way YOU want it.

 

[Dreamliner330]

I have a 5. So it'll be double for me.

So if this is true this is basically a screen boost for anyone going from 5s to a 6. For me I'm coming from a 5 so it should feel much smoother I would think. And the screen size was one of the reasons I had considered galaxy.

So I am happy - iPhone 6 for me. The plus is too big for my hands to use one handed.

I have an iP5 as well. I ordered a iP6 128GB and will get it on the 19th.

If benchmarks don't show much of an improvement and I don't see a noticeable speed bump in-store, I'll just return it and wait for the iP7.

I actually really like my iP5 and the size.

There is still the matter of scaling. If apps are written for 1920x1080 only I dunno if I'll like that so much.

 

[justin216]

The pixels have little to do with CPU performance, thats the GPU which is nearly twice as fast as the A7 PowerVR chip.

Basemark X does mostly GPU testing though doesn't it? I can't say I've ever ran it, but the documentation looks like mostly graphical tests, which would mean it's probably not overly CPU bound. More pixels to push is more strain on the GPU which is less performance per pixel. I still stand by my expectation that the 6 Plus will fall around where the 5S is on graphical performance, maybe even a little lower depending on task.

 

[NT1440]

Basemark X does mostly GPU testing though doesn't it? I can't say I've ever ran it, but the documentation looks like mostly graphical tests, which would mean it's probably not overly CPU bound. More pixels to push is more strain on the GPU which is less performance per pixel. I still stand by my expectation that the 6 Plus will fall around where the 5S is on graphical performance, maybe even a little lower depending on task.

The A7 pushed the retina screens on the iPad with no problem whatsoever, which far more than a 1080p screen.

The A8 almost doubles GPU performance again...There will be nothing but performance gains on the GPU front.

 

[wilky76]

The A7 pushed the retina screens on the iPad with no problem whatsoever, which far more than a 1080p screen.

The A8 almost doubles GPU performance again...There will be nothing but performance gains on the GPU front.

Why because Apple said it is.

That benchmark clearly shows that the A8 isn't that much faster than the A7, and you will not see double the increase in GPU performance neither.

 

[SR71]

I totally agree with you there, but it's abit of a downer knowing your paying £500+ for a brand new smartphone, and only getting a small incremental increase in speed over the last generation that being the 5S, where when the 5S was launched it was a big increase over the 5, it just what you expect these days when a new generation of smartphone comes out.

It was widely rumored from the start that this year Apple was focusing on efficiency with the A8, not performance. They've already got incredible performance with the 5S, especially on the GPU front. The fact that the A7 in the 5s can power the same extremely dense display in the iPad Air and Mini with no problems is a testament to this, so future versions of iOS should have no problems either. The CPU, just as with the GPU, is also extremely quick and easily handled anything anyone could throw at it and then some. No one ever complained that their 5S was laggy or slow, but people did complain about battery life, myself included. So, what did Apple do?

They DID increase CPU performance with the A8 by 25%, not by much, but they did (even when they really didn't have to in the first place since it was already blisteringly quick, and they significantly increased GPU performance, which again was already extremely good. Instead of further trying to increase performance for performance sake, they decided to focus on efficiency because that directly correlates with one of the things that people complain about most often: battery life. And what did they do in that aspect of things? They made HUGE gains in efficiency. They managed to increase both CPU and GPU performance from the A7 into the smaller A8 while also making it 50% more power efficient. How are you overlooking such a massive efficiency increase? The fact that performance wasn't decreased in an effort to improve efficiency is a testament to how skilled Apple's SoC engineers are.

The fact that this massive efficiency improvement is being overlooked blows my mind. Would you rather more performance that would likely be unnoticed other than in your precious benchmarks, or would you like improvements in efficiency which is something that anyone would notice right off the bat? I don't know about you, but I'd go for efficiency and battery life any day.

The fact that they're focusing more on efficiency than performance for this generation is one of the defining reasons why I, personally, am buying the iPhone 6. I'm sick of my barely making it through half a day. What good is amazing performance if it doesn't last?