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So now I have to carry a cable, a battery pack, AND I have to juggle all three in bright sunlight with my nearly 2kg battery pack because I have a garbage iOS version that kills my battery after 1.5-2 hours of camera use. And I have to juggle it twice because one midday charge isn’t enough, it runs out of battery again with heavy use because a fully updated iPhone is THAT awful.

Do you see my point?
No i dont see the point. I have a battery pack that weighs 3.5 ounces that plugs directly into a phone that provides one full charge effectively doubling battery life. The rational to use a gimped phone because of battery life concerns with modern software when micro-battery solutions exist is foreign to me. It feels like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
You may tolerate that. We have a different opinion. I don’t.
Sure I carry a big battery around with me. I don’t need to plug into the wall for 5 days if I drained my battery solution.
 
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No i dont see the point. I have a battery pack that weighs 3.5 ounces that plugs directly into a phone that provides one full charge effectively doubling battery life. The rational to use a gimped phone because of battery life concerns with modern software when micro-battery solutions exist is foreign to me. It feels like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Sure I carry a big battery around with me. I don’t need to plug into the wall for 5 days if I drained my battery solution.
An iPhone SE on iOS 15 would be LONG dead with this usage. Nothing else to say. Full 5G, high brightness, a little camera, maps.

iPhone 16 Plus running iOS 18.3.1:

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An iPhone SE on iOS 15 would be LONG dead with this usage. Nothing else to say. Full 5G, high brightness, a little camera, maps.

iPhone 16 Plus running iOS 18.3.1:

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Maybe you were right if SE1 with iOS15 you refer to could have supported 5G…

As for the rest, just because this device don't work for your needs, that doesn't mean other people find them useless for their needs.
 
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So now I have to carry a cable, a battery pack, AND I have to juggle all three in bright sunlight with my nearly 2kg battery pack because I have a garbage iOS version that kills my battery after 1.5-2 hours of camera use. And I have to juggle it twice because one midday charge isn’t enough, it runs out of battery again with heavy use because a fully updated iPhone is THAT awful.

Do you see my point?

You may tolerate that. We have a different opinion. I don’t.
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I use one of these if needs be. Doesn’t require any cables as it’s a MagSafe battery pack and weighs only 100g. I don’t require it very often as my 13, with 87% battery health, on iOS 18 provides enough battery life to last me a full day (on most days). I will organise a battery service when it reaches 86% though.
 
Maybe you were right if SE1 with iOS15 you refer to could have supported 5G…

As for the rest, just because this device don't work for your needs, that doesn't mean other people find them useless for their needs.
LTE if you like…

I never said it was useless. I didn’t even say it was useless for me. I just think that iOS updates forcing me to use battery packs is unacceptable.

Because like I said: even with every setting fine-tuned for battery life efficiency like I have it, outdoor brightness, a little camera, and mobile data ARE enough to kill a 1st-gen SE in (less than) 3.5 hours.

Do workarounds exist? Yes, but I take issue with Apple destroying its own devices, and I don’t understand how or why people just… accept it? It’s okay?

The 1st-gen SE on iOS 9 was better than the 6s and a little below the Plus. In numbers? Around 10 hours of SOT with light use, about 7-8 with moderate LTE use. Good! Now it’s not even half that.

I consider that non-viable. You may differ and that’s okay.

With the Xʀ on iOS 12, or the 16 Plus on iOS 18, I know that if I leave at 7 am I have enough to get me through the full day. High brightness, low brightness; camera, no camera; Wi-Fi, or 5G (LTE for the Xʀ).

With an updated SE, Xʀ, or 6s, I don’t. And I’m not even close for anything that remotely resembles moderate to heavy usage. SE and 6s? Maybe 3-4 hours? The Xʀ… maybe 5-6? Keep in mind that with the usage I described above the Xʀ on iOS 12 hovers at about 11-12 hours. It’s more than enough (I’ve ended decently heavy camera days with 50-60%, sometimes even more, and these updated devices would die before my Xʀ hits 50%, let alone the 16 Plus).

I don’t know, if you accept that, it’s okay. I don’t.
 
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I use one of these if needs be. Doesn’t require any cables as it’s a MagSafe battery pack and weighs only 100g. I don’t require it very often as my 13, with 87% battery health, on iOS 18 provides enough battery life to last me a full day (on most days). I will organise a battery service when it reaches 86% though.
The iPhone 13 is probably new enough to experience the extent of the degradation to which Apple has repeatedly subjected its devices. Give it a couple more years.

It starts with “most days” rather than “always”. It ends with “practically never and it’s time to upgrade”.
 
LTE if you like…

I never said it was useless. I didn’t even say it was useless for me. I just think that iOS updates forcing me to use battery packs is unacceptable.

Because like I said: even with every setting fine-tuned for battery life efficiency like I have it, outdoor brightness, a little camera, and mobile data ARE enough to kill a 1st-gen SE in (less than) 3.5 hours.

Do workarounds exist? Yes, but I take issue with Apple destroying its own devices, and I don’t understand how or why people just… accept it? It’s okay?

The 1st-gen SE on iOS 9 was better than the 6s and a little below the Plus. In numbers? Around 10 hours of SOT with light use, about 7-8 with moderate LTE use. Good! Now it’s not even half that.

I consider that non-viable. You may differ and that’s okay.

With the Xʀ on iOS 12, or the 16 Plus on iOS 18, I know that if I leave at 7 am I have enough to get me through the full day. High brightness, low brightness; camera, no camera; Wi-Fi, or 5G (LTE for the Xʀ).

With an updated SE, Xʀ, or 6s, I don’t. And I’m not even close for anything that remotely resembles moderate to heavy usage. SE and 6s? Maybe 3-4 hours? The Xʀ… maybe 5-6? Keep in mind that with the usage I described above the Xʀ on iOS 12 hovers at about 11-12 hours. It’s more than enough (I’ve ended decently heavy camera days with 50-60%, sometimes even more, and these updated devices would die before my Xʀ hits 50%, let alone the 16 Plus).

I don’t know, if you accept that, it’s okay. I don’t.

You’ve made your point countless times, while people in this thread still find the SE1 useful for their needs.

So what you trying to say, that your new 16 Plus is better? well, it’s not because people who like the SE1 don't care about a huge phablets.
 
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disappointed by the new SE, aka 16e. unfortunately, my daily driver SE1 has a damaged screen that is making it hard to use, so i need a solution soon. the price jump for those in the older SE market is significant. even though some may not recommend it, i am considering purchasing a new old stock SE w/128gb for about $150 to get me through the next year or so.

Or you could replace the screen? They may not be new old stock but I can buy the SE1 for £40 on ebay.

If mine fails, I'll probably just replace with the same model.
 
Or you could replace the screen? They may not be new old stock but I can buy the SE1 for £40 on ebay.

If mine fails, I'll probably just replace with the same model.
I wish I could replace my backhand for Federer’s.

Maybe Apple can offer that?
 
The iPhone 13 is probably new enough to experience the extent of the degradation to which Apple has repeatedly subjected its devices. Give it a couple more years.

It starts with “most days” rather than “always”. It ends with “practically never and it’s time to upgrade”.
Well you upgraded from an XR, didn’t you? Your phone lasted you 6.5 years if you purchased it new. My 13 is technically 3.5 years old now and should easily last another 3 years taking it to iOS 21. I will likely upgrade prior to then anyway so the last year won’t really affect me. I don’t think it’ll be a horrible performer considering that my iPhone 8 runs iOS 16 admirably and the larger battery capacity will provide additional longevity in terms of battery life. I will let you know come the time however I reckon the 13 will be very usable as a daily driver in 2027/28.

An XR upgraded to iOS 18 with a fresh battery should also be usable as a daily driver in 2025. Hardly a massive compromise, I can assure you that you won’t need to haul a 2kg battery pack around with you, lol.
 
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Well you upgraded from an XR, didn’t you? Your phone lasted you 6.5 years if you purchased it new. My 13 is technically 3.5 years old now and should easily last another 3 years taking it to iOS 21. I will likely upgrade prior to then anyway so the last year won’t really affect me. I don’t think it’ll be a horrible performer considering that my iPhone 8 runs iOS 16 admirably and the larger battery capacity will provide additional longevity in terms of battery life. I will let you know come the time however I reckon the 13 will be very usable as a daily driver in 2027/28.

An XR upgraded to iOS 18 with a fresh battery should also be usable as a daily driver in 2025. Hardly a massive compromise, I can assure you that you won’t need to haul a 2kg battery pack around with you, lol.
Yeah, perhaps. I’ll have a more definitive assessment of Apple’s current iOS degradation standards if/when I can try an iPhone 11 on iOS 18.

It should be better than the 4.7-inch standard, though. And better than the SE, too!

Maybe with some compromise it’s still usable. I anticipate about 6 hours of LTE and 9-10 of light, efficient use on Wi-Fi for the Xʀ/11 on iOS 18. Maybe we’ll get to see how wrong I am!
 
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Yeah, perhaps. I’ll have a more definitive assessment of Apple’s current iOS degradation standards if/when I can try an iPhone 11 on iOS 18.

It should be better than the 4.7-inch standard, though. And better than the SE, too!

Maybe with some compromise it’s still usable. I anticipate about 6 hours of LTE and 9-10 of light, efficient use on Wi-Fi for the Xʀ/11 on iOS 18. Maybe we’ll get to see how wrong I am!
What is light efficient use? Is it playing YouTube videos in the sun in a bad lte signal? Or browsing Macrumors on safari for 10 hours straight on WiFi in a dark room?
 
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What is light efficient use? Is it playing YouTube videos in the sun in a bad lte signal? Or browsing Macrumors on safari for 10 hours straight on WiFi in a dark room?
You know it’s closer to the latter.
 
Yeah, perhaps. I’ll have a more definitive assessment of Apple’s current iOS degradation standards if/when I can try an iPhone 11 on iOS 18.

It should be better than the 4.7-inch standard, though. And better than the SE, too!

Maybe with some compromise it’s still usable. I anticipate about 6 hours of LTE and 9-10 of light, efficient use on Wi-Fi for the Xʀ/11 on iOS 18. Maybe we’ll get to see how wrong I am!
If the battery health is 95%+, I reckon you’ll see 6.5-7 hours SoT on LTE which is enough for most people.
 
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If the battery health is 95%+, I reckon you’ll see 6.5-7 hours SoT on LTE which is enough for most people.
Battery health is 80% and will not be replaced. My 6s on iOS 10 was at 60% so it better be good anyway…
 
It’ll run terribly then.
Unlucky. I’ll hold it to the same standard I hold my 6s on iOS 10 and my Xʀ on iOS 12.

I tested an iPhone 8 on iOS 14 with 82% health (I think) and it was like-new. I expected it to be destroyed, and I was shocked when I could actually get 6s-on-iOS-9-or-10 battery life anyway. I expected it to be gone with 82% and 1700 cycles and it was great, three major versions in.

We’ll see.
 
So basically you compare old phones with dead batteries to your new 16 Plus with new battery which is also physically bigger… 👍
I’ll compare it to what I’d expect on my iPhone Xʀ on iOS 12, since it’s the closest equivalent. The tests I’ve ran on iOS 14 indicate that the iPhone 11 on iOS 13-14 has exactly the same battery life as my Xʀ on iOS 12. Those are my baseline expectations.

I’d never expect 16 Plus battery life. If I were to, you’d practically have to disregard every comment I’ve ever made on anything really 😂
 
Unlucky. I’ll hold it to the same standard I hold my 6s on iOS 10 and my Xʀ on iOS 12.

I tested an iPhone 8 on iOS 14 with 82% health (I think) and it was like-new. I expected it to be destroyed, and I was shocked when I could actually get 6s-on-iOS-9-or-10 battery life anyway. I expected it to be gone with 82% and 1700 cycles and it was great, three major versions in.

We’ll see.
Well it might be usable as a secondary device. No one with a brain, however, would use an 11 on iOS 18 which has 80% battery life as a daily driver unless they want to carry around with them a battery bank. An iPhone 11 on iOS 18 with a fresh OEM battery would last all day with no issues for 99% of non-power users.
 
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Well it might be usable as a secondary device. No one with a brain, however, would use an 11 on iOS 18 which has 80% battery life as a daily driver unless they want to carry around with them a battery bank. An iPhone 11 on iOS 18 with a fresh OEM battery would last all day with no issues for 99% of non-power users.
If I can get 70% of iOS 13/14 I’ll accept it.

I used to think that with these massive batteries and insane efficiency since the Xʀ this issue would be solved, but maybe not.

70%. 11 hours of light use. That’s all I want.
 
If I can get 70% of iOS 13/14 I’ll accept it.

I used to think that with these massive batteries and insane efficiency since the Xʀ this issue would be solved, but maybe not.

70%. 11 hours of light use. That’s all I want.
It’ll never be completely solved as newer iOS versions require more processing power, as you know. A new OEM battery, however, would make either the XR or 11 usable on iOS 18. That’s insane longevity for these phones as they’re very dated devices. I am happy that Apple support their devices for as long as they do, unlike Samsung, Google or other Android manufacturers.

Seems like you’re the only one on here who has a problem with Apple’s practices. Everyone else seems to be happy!
 
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It’ll never be completely solved as newer iOS versions require more processing power, as you know. A new OEM battery, however, would make either the XR or 11 usable on iOS 18. That’s insane longevity for these phones as they’re very dated devices. I am happy that Apple support their devices for as long as they do, unlike Samsung, Google or other Android manufacturers.

Seems like you’re the only one on here who has a problem with Apple’s practices. Everyone else seems to be happy!
Yeah, I know it’ll never be completely solved. I was thinking that perhaps the original battery life could be so ridiculously good that regardless of iOS obliteration and battery health degradation, an iPhone could have a full day battery life with a moderately heavy use (which was first achieved in an original iOS version by… the 6 Plus on iOS 8!) even fully updated and with a degraded battery.

The Pro Max, the 16e, and both the 15 and 16 Plus have massive ratings.

Maybe, just maybe, the Xʀ and the 11 provide half-decent battery life and these models are actually great in the future. We’ll see.

I’d like the original Plus standard if you ask me: around 12 hours of light SOT, with the original battery, with a fully updated and unsupported iPhone.

When that’s achieved, I’ll be truly happy.
 
It’ll never be completely solved as newer iOS versions require more processing power, as you know. A new OEM battery, however, would make either the XR or 11 usable on iOS 18. That’s insane longevity for these phones as they’re very dated devices. I am happy that Apple support their devices for as long as they do, unlike Samsung, Google or other Android manufacturers.

Seems like you’re the only one on here who has a problem with Apple’s practices. Everyone else seems to be happy!
Agree. Apple does a pretty darn good job, especially lately, with battery life. Years of support so even for those who want to replace a bad battery on an older phone can do so and still have a very usable phone. Try that on Android.
 
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