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First HP, now RIM
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Funny, since anyone could have guessed that would happen eventually based on the sales numbers, and it coincidentally happened soon afterward. Did you also predict that HP would sell off their computer division? Let me demonstrate my equally potent psychic abilities:
* I predict it will rain.
* I predict that the sun will set.
* I predict that we will have a new President in the US by 2017.
* I predict that both Apple and Microsoft will be huge money-making corporate machines in 2012.
And you're welcome.
As a Pre and a Pre 2 owner I predicted it much earlier
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=12900147#post12900147
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/12900713/
July 8th
I don't go around over dramatizing every other tablet that receives a very modest price reduction, and fail to take into account that Rim still have a viable phone Market and that's why it is not in the same situation as Palm Pre and Touchpad.
Well that one was simple, the video 2000 the really superior format and Betamax both didn't have ay porn videos, which is why VHS won that game.
It is the same reason Laserdiscs failed: Philips refused to put porn on laserdiscs.
Amiga 500: the perfect silent game computer! Superfrog rules!
And I predicted all of this long before there was the internet! So there I win!
It is the same reason Laserdiscs failed: Philips refused to put porn on laserdiscs.
Amiga 500: the perfect silent game computer! Superfrog rules!
And I predicted all of this long before there was the internet! So there I win!
Basically, whichever device/format/OS etc, becomes ubiquitous first, is the one that 'wins'. You're right, it's not always the best that's victorious.
Many mp3 players were far superior technically to the iPod, but it was the iPod that went mainstream first.
Windows-based PC went mainstream, in the early 90's just when the Internet took off, ensuring victory for WinTel. The Mac may or not have been superior - It didn't matter.
Blu-Ray was adopted by the majority of the big movie studios, leaving HD-DVD in the weeds.
The iPad went mainstream last year. The race for 2nd place is the only one on offer to the rest, regardless of the quality of their hard and software.
Once you have dominant market and mindshare, it's already game over.
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Only issue with this statement is that RIM's phone Market is shrinking steadily every quarter. HP had the largest Market share of the computer industry. If anything the situation is completely opposite to your example.
As a Pre and a Pre 2 owner I predicted it much earlier
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=12900147#post12900147
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/12900713/
July 8th
I don't go around over dramatizing every other tablet that receives a very modest price reduction, and fail to take into account that Rim still have a viable phone Market and that's why it is not in the same situation as Palm Pre and Touchpad.
RIM is a Dead Company Walking. And you know what the scary part is? It looks as if they don't really give a ****.
http://www.wincom7.com/blog/rim-announces-three-new-blackberry-curves-neowin-net/
^ certainly when Apple's messaging hits iOS devices, the reasons to own a Blackberry diminishes. TBH over here, Blackberrys are not as prevalent as the states anyway.
Well I give RIM 6 months to dump themselves. They way the company is moving, I highly doubt they can survive anymore.
*Covers my Blackberry Bold's ears and strokes it lovingly...*
According to what I read recently during the London riots, BlackBerries are the most popular device in that market anyway. Officials were practically blaming BlackBerry Messaging for the riots.
I spent more than a few days with the Playbook and felt like I wanted to throw it against a wall. It has nothing on the iPad. In addition, the person that approved the power button for the Playbook should be fired.
The HP touchpad is a better than the playbook. While the playbook has hardware and software that is very nice. The platform as a whole is incomplete and shouldn't be on store shelves.
Oh dear psychic overlord of all things tech, we bow down.
It's a $50 discount, chill your guns. Geez. Definitely an overstatement.
And we're back: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/09/21/rims_playbook_manufacturer_cutting_production_lines_as_sales_slump.html
Things looking worse for RIM every day. I now give the Playbook 3 months of life.
I think I agree with this. The HP situation was a one-of-a-kind thing where the company had already decided on a major change of course. The user @KnightWRX noted that HP's TouchPad almost seemed to be de-tuned on release; we had a brief discussion about that here.
One alarming factor: RIM just announced shipping 200,000 units in their last quarter (June - August). There's vast speculation about Apple's results in their current quarter, (which spans July - September). They may end up shipping as many as 20,000,000 iPads. A 100:1 ratio of sales must have a negative impact on the image of RIM.
It would seem that RIM's abysmal PB performance could be viewed as a negative marketing factor for their phones that are rolling out. That might encourage them to pull the product.
RIM's software update will allow them to run Android apps; that update should be available soon (if it's not already available). I don't see that change causing any significant improvement in sales.
EXACTLY. The power button is pathetic. Freaking tiny and almost impossible to press with my normal sized man fingers.
I'm amazed at how these multi million dollar companies can allow such bad hardware onto the market.
What's really alarming are the reports that RIM is sitting on an inventory of 800,000 Playbooks in addition to the 700,000 they stuffed the channel with.
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The HP situation looks rather bizarre in hindsight. It seems that HP purchased PALM for about $1.2 bn to compete with Apple in the phone and tablet market, then they got a new CEO who comes from SAP and hasn't got a clue about tablets and PCs so he doesn't want that part of HP's business and wants the company to be more like SAP, and now the rumour mill says that HP wants to get rid of their CEO and the share price jumps up. I personally thought that between HP and RIM, HP had the stronger tablet product, but whatever happens there, Apotheker has destroyed any chances that they might have had in the tablet market.
Looks like RIM is trying one last thing before giving up. Between now and the end of the year, if you buy 2 Playbooks, you get a 3rd for free. This on the heels of RIM pushing back their OS update another 6 months. Must be hard to add native email and calendar clients?
It won't work, and come March, we should see a firesale... If not sooner. RIM is dead.
* note: this is only for business customers, cause you know, the Playbook is only for business users. Probably why the only sold 100,000 last quarter.
It won't work, and come March, we should see a firesale... If not sooner. RIM is dead.
* note: this is only for business customers, cause you know, the Playbook is only for business users. Probably why the only sold 100,000 last quarter.
It just kills me that they released this as a business tablet but it doesn't even support emails or have a calendar. What a joke.
Its even more of a joke that these competitors in the market think they can charge as much as the iPad. The only company doing it right as far as competing with Apple is going to be Amazon.
Its even more of a joke that these competitors in the market think they can charge as much as the iPad. The only company doing it right as far as competing with Apple is going to be Amazon.
They can't build tablets for less than it costs Apple to do so with similar specs. Combine that with iOS and you have a pretty damn good lead on your competitors.
My $149 32gb Touchpad arrived a couple days ago, and it is clear why it failed. Same screen as the iPad, but twice as thick, 1.5 times as heavy, an app store they should be embarassed by, and the belief it should compete in price directly with the iPad.
That said, there are some great things about it. Touchstone dock charging is delightful. The OS is fine, original, and quick. Except for the lack of 100,000 apps to run on it and the price they could have done well if the original MSRP was $349/$399 16gb/32gb.
The PlayBook is desperately in need of an email app and Android APK compatability. It's OS is also refreshingly original and quick, but they also screwed up by asking iPad prices up front.
You have to assume they "had" to price these tablets where they were simply to make a profit with no potential for after-the-sale profit potential. If that was the case they both should have waited until component prices fell enough to allow a realistic selling price; i.e. amazon's Kindle Fire.
That said, there are some great things about it. Touchstone dock charging is delightful. The OS is fine, original, and quick. Except for the lack of 100,000 apps to run on it and the price they could have done well if the original MSRP was $349/$399 16gb/32gb.
The PlayBook is desperately in need of an email app and Android APK compatability. It's OS is also refreshingly original and quick, but they also screwed up by asking iPad prices up front.
You have to assume they "had" to price these tablets where they were simply to make a profit with no potential for after-the-sale profit potential. If that was the case they both should have waited until component prices fell enough to allow a realistic selling price; i.e. amazon's Kindle Fire.