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Yea I actually don't think Siri is all that bad, they just needed the microphone set up like the Echo's have. All of the assistants are pretty useless to me aside from turning on lights, adjusting the temp, weather, news, and playing music. Siri handles all of this well, but I think Apple needs to open this up like other platforms to truly make an impact. In time, I am sure it will.

That seems to be the consensus from review sites. It is a great sounding speaker compared to the current offerings in the price range, Siri responds fantastic, it just needs to have more "skills".
 
Mine has arrived, throughly disappointed in it. Sound is as I feared from a consumer speaker, veiled, muddy, boomy, no top end, smeary - there's no detail. It's the same horrible sound signature that Bose, B&W (Some fella from B&W designed Homepod's sound), H&K, Sonos and all those crap sound bars and blue tooth speakers have.

I feel it has the potential to be EQ'ed better, but there's no EQ option!

I'm sure it's fine for your average home listener who'll think it's good "good bass" and goes loud for it's size. But I was hoping for a lot more - no way would I buy two of these for stereo sound when you can get a pair of Elac book shelves for that price.

Happy to see a reviewer on the other side, although a bit surprising considering everyone says how good it sounds. I'd like to see how it compares to my current set up.
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That seems to be the consensus from review sites. It is a great sounding speaker compared to the current offerings in the price range, Siri responds fantastic, it just needs to have more "skills".

That's fine by me then. Get the basics of it working right first, then add "skills" as you say. I think the potential here is great. Slowly, it will get better, as the Apple Watch and Apple TV has.
 
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from their current website:

HOME TO AN INTELLIGENT ASSISTANT

HomePod is great at playing your music. But it can also tell you the latest news, traffic, sports, and weather. Set reminders and tasks. Send messages. Hand off phone calls. And HomePod is a hub for controlling your smart home accessories — from a single light bulb to the whole house — with just your voice


If that doesn't mislead people into thing it is a "hub for controlling your smart home accessories" I don't know what is. I think everyone would agree apple wants this to complete with alexa and google home.

None of that counters it being billed as a good speaker first, which is what Apple has done - at the keynote intro and since then.

The HomePod website has the following sections (these are my names) - 1) sound quality, 2) speaker quality and design, 3) setup ease and sound quality, 4) access to music/Apple Music, and 5) the section you quoted about Siri. Even within that section Apple starts with sound rather than "intelligence": "HomePod is great at playing your music".

FWIW, I have no issues with Siri telling me the latest news, traffic, sports, and weather. I use Siri to set reminders. I use Siri to send text messages (which it does very well for me). I use Siri to control smart home accessories (HomeKit-enabled).

They are competing with Amazon and Google but in a different way. They focus on sound quality first. We have to remember that Google is mainly an advertising company and Amazon is mainly a warehouse. Apple sells you things too but Google Assistant and Alexa both exist to collect data about you so Google or Amazon or some other company can target you better with ads and products. Siri exists primarily as a feature for interacting with Apple products. People don't buy iPhones because of Siri - it's a perk (some would argue not a great perk). If you want Siri to be better you have to give up considerable privacy (like you go with Google Assistant and Alexa).

I prefer Google Assistant but have no problems with Siri. I own a Home Mini and two Echo Dots so I use those more than Siri at home but Siri works well for me when I use it.
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For those of us that actually are invested in a smart home the differences are massive.

Ask Siri to control your thermostat
Ask Siri to turn on your home theater
Ask Siri to arm/disarm your alarm
Ask Siri to show you your front door, rear door

Those are a few things I use on a daily basis. I very much agree with you that most people who own Alexa/google home are using that basic functionality, but if you have smart home integration the HomePod is a big step down. Can you even add stuff to a shopping list with the HomePod?
Are your thermostat, home theater, alarm, and cameras all HomeKit compatible?
 
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Mine has arrived, throughly disappointed in it. Sound is as I feared from a consumer speaker, veiled, muddy, boomy, no top end, smeary - there's no detail. It's the same horrible sound signature that Bose, B&W (Some fella from B&W designed Homepod's sound), H&K, Sonos and all those crap sound bars and blue tooth speakers have.

I feel it has the potential to be EQ'ed better, but there's no EQ option!

I'm sure it's fine for your average home listener who'll think it's good "good bass" and goes loud for it's size. But I was hoping for a lot more - no way would I buy two of these for stereo sound when you can get a pair of Elac book shelves for that price.

You mean its not like the band is in the room with you? :)

I know what you mean - I've managed my expectations and its fine for what it is going to be used for - occasional use in my conservatory, where having a proper Amp and speakers just isn't practical. The voice control is quite neat as well although it had real problems when I asked for the Wombles. Kept playing The Bluebells!

I've tried it to control the Hue lights in my conservatory - very hit and miss - easier to use the Hue remote control frankly.
 
Software can be improved and updated over time. Siri will get better.
Hardware can't. The device you buy is the device you have. If you want an updated hardware, you have to buy a new device...

I'd rather have the best sounding speaker on the market, with software that can be improved.
Than the best software in a poorer quality speaker, that can't be improved!

Ahh, I see what you are saying....

You mean, like iPhones. Where each year, the software get's improved, making the hardware you purchased just gets better and better all the time.

I see......... ;)
 
There must be a reason Apple chose not to support BT. Apparently Sonos doesn’t either. The biggest complaint about HomePod so far seems to be no native options for other services like Spotify. I’ll bet come WWDC Apple will announce a new music/podcast domain for Siri. At some point not doing it just to advantage Apple Music becomes counter productive. I don’t think there’s many Spotify customers left to convert. Christina Warren (who used to work for Mashable and now works at a Microsoft) owns pretty much every Apple product but says she’s not getting a HomePod because it doesn’t natively support Spotify. I doubt she’s the only one. At some point Apple will want $350 from those people if they can get it.

My guess is that the HomePod is intended to be an iOS accessory first and foremost. Apple wants you to use (and keep using) an iPhone and Apple Music and to them, it’s far more profitable to keep this group of users locked within their ecosystem and continue to monetise them over the long term than it is to simply sell a $350 speaker.

Hence the lack of Bluetooth and an audio jack, leaving airplay as the sole means of streaming music.

It’s also possible that because Apple owns Apple Music, they are able to optimise it on their end in ways that they can’t with a third party service like Spotify. But I feel this is still more an ecosystem play.
 
No I wouldn’t get a HomePod if what you’re looking for is a smart assistant you can talk to to get information or do things for you. Of course Apple never billed HomePod as that.
Of course it didn't because Siri has been getting laughed at for years for being just merely average (if not mediocre) - the spin on audio quality is intended to circumvent those critiques, otherwise why have Siri on it at all?

Let's be honest, Apple wants in on the smart speaker trend after Google Home and Amazon Echo opened hostilities, and that's fine by me, but Siri is definitely not the edge Apple is going to use to launch the HomePod into battle.
 
For clarity, its only direct Siri support for Spotify.

You can still stream from your phone. And, as I understand it, you can use Siri on your phone while AirPlaying to a HP.

I suspect there are a lot of people under the imoression you literally cant play Spotify at all on a HP.
I understood this. Just would suck not to be able to tell the HomePod to play a specific song
 
For those of us that actually are invested in a smart home the differences are massive.

Ask Siri to control your thermostat
Ask Siri to turn on your home theater
Ask Siri to arm/disarm your alarm
Ask Siri to show you your front door, rear door

Those are a few things I use on a daily basis. I very much agree with you that most people who own Alexa/google home are using that basic functionality, but if you have smart home integration the HomePod is a big step down. Can you even add stuff to a shopping list with the HomePod?

Absolutely incorrect, for anyone into serious home automation they've had to use advanced implementation on all voice assistants and Homekit with Homebridge kills everything. Google assistant is the worst smart home one as it has no scenes (except through IFTTT) You can't have groups within rooms. Alexa was terrible until recently you coudn't even say "open" as that was reserved for skills, no do colour lights - at least those are fixed now and it has copied Siri's scenes and regions but Alexa still gets stuff wrong for the most time - even though I've disabled a ton of stuff it still refuses to do even simple stuff like turn lights on and off as it gets confused by them. Alexa also has to be asked a very specific way to do things where as Siri and Google understand asking the same thing multiple ways.

There's basically nothing I can do Smarthome wise with Siri but there are limitations to both Alexa and especially Google Assistant at the moment which means I can't.
 
That seems to be the consensus from review sites. It is a great sounding speaker compared to the current offerings in the price range, Siri responds fantastic, it just needs to have more "skills".

Does it? How many skills does the average user actually use on a daily basis?
 
Software can be improved and updated over time. Siri will get better.
Hardware can't. The device you buy is the device you have. If you want an updated hardware, you have to buy a new device...

I'd rather have the best sounding speaker on the market, with software that can be improved.
Than the best software in a poorer quality speaker, that can't be improved!

Of you have the "Smartest" device on the market TODAY for a fraction of the cost, and connect it TODAY, either wirelessly or wired to any speaker on the planet (from $10 to $100,000) you would care to use as the sound output, AND have stereo also in 2018. ;)
 
Absolutely incorrect, for anyone into serious home automation they've had to use advanced implementation on all voice assistants and Homekit with Homebridge kills everything. Google assistant is the worst smart home one as it has no scenes (except through IFTTT) You can't have groups within rooms. Alexa was terrible until recently you coudn't even say "open" as that was reserved for skills, no do colour lights - at least those are fixed now and it has copied Siri's scenes and regions but Alexa still gets stuff wrong for the most time - even though I've disabled a ton of stuff it still refuses to do even simple stuff like turn lights on and off as it gets confused by them. Alexa also has to be asked a very specific way to do things where as Siri and Google understand asking the same thing multiple ways.

There's basically nothing I can do Smarthome wise with Siri but there are limitations to both Alexa and especially Google Assistant at the moment which means I can't.

You can’t use Siri to control your HomeKit automation? I use it daily for my thermostat, light and shades. Works great.
 
If I could i'd probably start with an EQ curve a bit like this on Homepod to get it sounding remotely detailed - remove the boxy boomy nature and give it some actual brightness.

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Absolutely incorrect, for anyone into serious home automation they've had to use advanced implementation on all voice assistants and Homekit with Homebridge kills everything. Google assistant is the worst smart home one as it has no scenes (except through IFTTT) You can't have groups within rooms. Alexa was terrible until recently you coudn't even say "open" as that was reserved for skills, no do colour lights - at least those are fixed now and it has copied Siri's scenes and regions but Alexa still gets stuff wrong for the most time - even though I've disabled a ton of stuff it still refuses to do even simple stuff like turn lights on and off as it gets confused by them. Alexa also has to be asked a very specific way to do things where as Siri and Google understand asking the same thing multiple ways.

There's basically nothing I can do Smarthome wise with Siri but there are limitations to both Alexa and especially Google Assistant at the moment which means I can't.

I agree Siri responds the best, but the integration is not there. The commands you quoted me on do not work with Siri, plain and simple . That is an issue for a smart home device.
 
Of you have the "Smartest" device on the market TODAY for a fraction of the cost, and connect it TODAY, either wirelessly or wired to any speaker on the planet (from $10 to $100,000) you would care to use as the sound output, AND have stereo also in 2018. ;)
Isn’t it great to have choice as a consumer.
A choice to buy what you want.
Without anyone else criticising your choice.... oh wait..
 
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Does it? How many skills does the average user actually use on a daily basis?

I don't think a lot of people use much outside their lights, but for the users that have other products it will be a downgrade switching to a HomePod for a smart home hub.
 
Just had a play with one in my local store. Wow the audio is amazing, really did shock me how such a small device can produce that sound. Smaller than I was expecting and has a really nice hefty weight to it.

I have Sonos setup at home I will have issues swapping them for HomePods (Soon as AirPlay2 is out).
 
Bought one from Argos this morning. Have set it up - which was very easy, but Siri doesn't seem to be aware of my iTunes Match/icloud music library playlists. Sound quality seems ok - but not three times as good as my old Airplay speaker (Azatom Stealth)

Eg - I have a playlist called "Queen" - I've asked it to play the Queen playlist (and variations upon this) but it just says "you don't have that in your music". Any ideas as to how to get it to work?

I still HATE having to say "Hey Siri" to trigger it - this is most embarrassing and un-English. Oh how I'd love to be able to use the word "Orac" to trigger it. Nerds will understand what I mean by this...
I’m having the same issue with iCloud music library (match) playlists, it doesn’t find any of them...
Workaround would be great!!
 
If Apple ever allowed Amazon to do it, I believe it would, yes. Make no mistake, I think the HomePod is promising, but intentionally hamstrung for those not firmly in Apple's camp. I'm plenty Apple loyal (iPhone X, MacBook Pro from work, personal 27" iMac, kids have an iPad mini, wife has a MacBook), but they've created a product that if you don't subscribe to Apple Music, is largely worthless - the watch is similar, useless without an iPhone.

If Apple allowed Amazon?! You mean like Apple kept telling Amazon to not sell Apple TV or not to make a amazon prime AP? In the Apple amazon war Amazon has been holding things back from Apple customers plenty. Apple is no angel, but Amazon is playing the same game, trying to make us customers pick. So I did.
 
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