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We're talking about Apple, who is a consumer focused company.
You said they were not, as evidenced by their $20 server offering.

For what most people use Apple products for WiFi and Ethernet are wireless/wired versions of the same thing: they allow people to get online.

You seriously didn't understand that we were talking about Apple the entire time?

Moving the goalposts again. ;)

You were previously trying to convince me that the world at large considered ethernet and optical media to be legacy.

Now you're changing your argument again to say you were only talking about Apple.
 
Sorry but this new Macbook isnt for me, Once again Apple is sacrificing features and usability for thinness.
AND....that's why Apple makes other notebooks that may be for you.

1. Keyboard shouldn't be so shallow

Have you tried it yet? If not, don't judge.

2. USB C is cool, but why only 1? What if I want to charge my Macbook and have a usb in too?

Agreed and point taken.

3. Not a fan of the "non clicking" trackpad.

Have you tried it yet? If not, don't judge. Besides, either get used to it or try another manufacture's computer because in 24 months I'll bet all Apple's machines will be designed with this trackpad, including the Apple wireless trackpad.

4. Worse battery than Macbook Air
No argument.
5. Core M is VERY slow

Until we get concrete benchmarks and real world performance don't prejudge. OS X runs differently than Windows or any other OS's that have run under this processor.

6. Over-priced

That's your opinion. Were you on the design and engineering team creating this machine? It's not a bargain basement machine. It's quite innovative.
 
Not to mention you'll need to buy new USB-C ports, hubs, and dongles on top of that.

But it's thinner.... :rolleyes:

And I know it has been said many times before but: Come on, at least a SECOND USB (or USB-C) port would have been too much to ask for? Yes, plenty of things can be done wireless but as long as I need to plug in my iPhone somewhere to charge it a USB port would have been nice.
And yes, I can bring a separate charger, same as I can bring a separate adapter, USB hub.... and soon I carry more in accessories (weight) than the Macbook itself. That is progress.... not.
 
Great, only one port on the laptop.

I can't wait to see the spider's nest of cables and plugs that some people are going to need with this one.

HDMI, power, USB for external devices, Thunderbolt... All going through one port.

Who thought this would be a good idea? Oh, right. Jony...

The reality is that if you need all that stuff then you're going to buy one of their other laptops. Not every product they make has to please you and many people have little or no need for all those plug ins. With drop box, apple TV, and wireless everything theres little need to actually plug stuff into your computer.

Hopefully USB C will get wider adoption though.
 
Come on folks, a little common sense please. Yes there will be users, potentially a lot of 'em, that need a larger array of ports or faster processors. If that's the case and you want to go Apple then you buy a MacBook Pro. And no, the MBP line isn't going anywhere, kindly calm down a bit if you wouldn't mind...

For the majority of users however the only port they really use on a regular basis is the power socket. It's remarkable how much user habits have changed in the last couple of years actually. USB sticks have been replaced with cloud services, mobile phones sync wirelessly (or via their own cloud service), heck even bluetooth headphones have come on to the point they can be happily used for music for most people. Even by the standards of IT that change has been astonishingly fast.

Same for performance really. These CPU's are going to work well for 'burst' tasks, less so for stuff that taxes them for long periods. But for most people that fits their use pattern perfectly. If it doesn't you're going to be much better off with a MBP.

Frankly I don't get the whinging (other than this being a new Apple product and it's therefore compulsory to complain on these here forums). Compared to the 11" air you lose a Thunderbolt port and the USB's but keep broadly similar CPU performance and gain a Retina screen as well as a 0.16kg weight reduction. There's going to be a *lot* of people looking to buy this machine and it'll deliver something that meets their needs. For the rest of us the current MBP line is still superb and once Intel get their act together the 15" will likely get a pretty rapid update as well.

agree with all of your points. one addition: a VGA port or adaptor that allows you to charge and connect to a VGA projector at the same time is a must have for many people. in most companies I know all meeting rooms are set up with VGA connectors only for the projectors. as a highly portable device many will want to use it to give presentations.
 
apple has more money than any other company........but they cant throw in the usb adapter for free on a $1300 notebook.......

Apple has more money than any other company precisely because they get you to pay for "features" such as these adapters.
 
1. Most people looking for this kind of laptop won't use an external.
2. DVD...seriously? You mentioned that seriously?
3. Wireless or USB adapter.
4. What USB device are you going to connect to?
5. You'd import your pictures from your iPhone like most users would.

It's called an usb drive.
 
I'm simply saying Apple choosing to not include ethernet ports and optical drives in their computer does not mean the technology is considered legacy, as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

It may be considered legacy for Apple because they want to trim the fat and produce the thinnest laptops known to mankind. But that doesn't mean that they're not still heavily used in the rest of the world.

What you're ignoring is each time Apple takes these risks the industry follows right behind them.

Apple ditched the floppy in the first iMac. Everybody thought they were crazy and the iMac would fail. Nope. A year later Dell, HP and Sony began to ditch the floppy.
First Macbook Air had no optical drive. Many in the industry laughed, then every other company began creating notebooks with no optical drive. Apple wasn't even the first to do this but other companies did not take it seriously until the Macbook Air.

I can go on to further bury your point if you like. :)
 
I'm betting they'll have an Magnetic Adapter that plugs into the usb-c port.

My question would be why didn't the committee that was working on USB-C make the port be a mag-safe kind of port? What's wrong with that kind of forward thinking? (modest aren't I?)

Sure, they've finally made it omni-directional, but they've thrown away the safety feature of the mag-safe :(
 
I agree completely. In fact it makes me feel like I did when the first Air came out "Wow. That thing is beautiful. Not sure if I can live with no optical drive etc and its so expensive." Now it's: "Wow that thing is so beautiful. Not sure if I can live with one port." (At least its not so expensive).

My daily machine is an MBA 13" and I use both USB most of the time and often want a third (don't think I've ever wanted a 4th) so this machine would not be for me at the moment. I have the iPhone plugged in most of the time because USB tethering is more reliable (for me anyway) than wifi tethering and I have a slimline USB thumb drive almost permanently plugged in on the other side as expansion. I plug in a SD card almost daily for a quick automated SuperDuper of my most important work files (Time Machine runs at home when I remember to plug the MBA in). I should add that I have had it over three years and have only wanted an optical drive about once a year.

Things will change. Maybe they'll build inductive charging into future models, wifi and bluetooth will continue to get better and eventually we'll be perfectly happy with one or no ports.

This thing has just out-aired the Air so I have no doubts that the Air is being shown the door. I mean, the name is now an anachronism when compared to the new MacBook.

PS: I'd rather have two USB-C ports and have to use an adapter when I want to use headphones.


I thought this had a headphone jack? Now I'm going to go check.
 
I wish this would have been a hybrid, pull of the screen for a nice sized iPad and also have the ability to put it on backwards and close it.
 
guys call me less sophisticated, but the design of the macbook air is perfect and all that was really needed was a retina display.

functionality has been compromised here and what a shame because this thing is frickin beautiful.
 
I thought this had a headphone jack? Now I'm going to go check.
It does. I'm saying I have more use for USB than the headphone. If they had lost that in favour of 2 USB-C ports that would have been fine in my opinion.

In my opinion. Most of us are being very subjective and I make no apologies for that. Obviously Apple have predicted where the market is going and made the call. We'll see. I have no doubt my next laptop will have between 2 and 0 ports.
 
What you're ignoring is each time Apple takes these risks the industry follows right behind them.

Apple ditched the floppy in the first iMac. Everybody thought they were crazy and the iMac would fail. Nope. A year later Dell, HP and Sony began to ditch the floppy.
First Macbook Air had no optical drive. Many in the industry laughed, then every other company began creating notebooks with no optical drive. Apple wasn't even the first to do this but other companies did not take it seriously until the Macbook Air.

I can go on to further bury your point if you like. :)

What about FireWire and Thunderbolt?
 
But I'll say this. If they start lowest common denominatoring the Macs, only putting in what everyone needs, while disregarding features that only a relative few will use, it'll be the end of Apple as a classic computer company.

Do you understand that this is the entry level of the MacBook line, and there are two additional MacBook families above it that are more powerful, with better connectivity?
 
But it's thinner.... :rolleyes:

And I know it has been said many times before but: Come on, at least a SECOND USB (or USB-C) port would have been too much to ask for? Yes, plenty of things can be done wireless but as long as I need to plug in my iPhone somewhere to charge it a USB port would have been nice.
And yes, I can bring a separate charger, same as I can bring a separate adapter, USB hub.... and soon I carry more in accessories (weight) than the Macbook itself. That is progress.... not.

Agreed. It would have been a tight fit, but well worth it.
 
It does. I'm saying I have more use for USB than the headphone. If they had lost that in favour of 2 USB-C ports that would have been fine in my opinion.

In my opinion. Most of us are being very subjective and I make no apologies for that. Obviously Apple have predicted where the market is going and made the call. We'll see. I have no doubt my next laptop will have between 2 and 0 ports.

Sorry, I misunderstood. I agree, I think two ports is the bare minimum.

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Do you understand that this is the entry level of the MacBook line, and there are two additional MacBook families above it that are more powerful, with better connectivity?

I wonder what the MBA pricing will be like when it is redesigned and gains retina?
 
Dongles and cables oh my!

Sure you only need to buy the new MacBook Air once, but you'll get the pleasure of replacing lost and broken cables (and now dongles!) over and over and over again!

$49 for a power adapter that plugs into a $29 USB cable that plugs into an $80 dongle. The power adapter probably won't break, but if the cables and dongles are of similar quality to their predecessors, you'll be replacing them every 4-12 months as they fray and break.
 
I wish this would have been a hybrid, pull of the screen for a nice sized iPad and also have the ability to put it on backwards and close it.

That's not how Apple intends their products to be used. They don't have a touch OS for notebooks. Such a machine from Apple would be an abomination. I hear some Microsoft OEMs make those things though.
 
Sorry

That bezel makes me wish to be sick

Without anything other than simply looking at the machine the one thing about it that smack me round the face and SHOUT horrid is those ghastly giant bezels on the screen,
It clashes so badly with the edge to edge keyboard

God Apple what a horrid design. What is up with you and dam bezels :(

How can Dell make this:http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/mid...433a/201466997/Dell+XPS+13+2015_fullbleed.jpg

And yet Apple fails with that horrid look ?


That's the first thing that I saw when looking at it for the first time! That bezel! Ugh! Makes me even more glad that I bought the XPS 13!
 
Admittedly, it's been a long time since I bought a new computer, but does it really make sense now for a Core M processor to be paired with 8 GB RAM? I'm looking forward to benchmarks, but if it can really utilize that much RAM smoothly, the Core M can't be that awful, right?
 
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