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First Intel Penryn Based PCs Arrive... Apple to Follow?
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As of now the freezing issues in the the Aluminum iMacs has not been fixed for many people, from what I've read in a thread.
Thanks for the link. I guess we have to wait and see if the Mac Pro takes this big a leap in performance. If it does Apple will have to provide chains to keep this beast from lifting off.
thanks for the link. that is quite an impressive bump. i believe that the 45 nm cpu's are also implementing improved instruction sets (SSE4) which may also improve performance.
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I usually use wiki and beyond3d for my info. Dunno about anyone else.
Hey some people fold and would be happy with a 16+ core processor.
Yeah, pretty sure nvidia's linux drivers are fine. I am not sure why Apple just doens't use those. Most people that I know have not had issues with nvidia's drivers ATI's on the other hand... Of course when you use a part that is 2-3 years old I would hope that the drivers have became stable. ATI does include lots of functionality with their cards but Apple has yet to tap into any of it. Choosing to rely on CPU power instead.
Here's more analysis about Mac Pro updates possibly on November 12
Mac Pro update soon - with Penryn processors on November 12?
Mac Pro update soon - with Penryn processors on November 12?
Not sure about uncompetitive ..... Are there other computer manufactorers able to run OSX and all your OSX applications?
Not sure what competitor you are talking about. Yes you can switch to a PEE CE but you also need to get all new software and in some cases, learn new applications.
Apple will come thru.
That would be the best thing that could happen to AMD.
In other words, it's ludicrous to think that Intel would shaft the rest of their customers (and by far larger) customers to give Apple an exclusive.
It's possible that Intel has priced the 3.2 so high that only Apple wants it
- but all this "preferential treatment" stuff is crazy talk.
I bet the Mac Pro update will happen in January or February. They probably are going to give a price break to people that are on the fence about purchasing a Mac Pro. They are just getting approval and an exact discount. Just my guess.
I personally would wait until they are updated.
If all it is is a speed bump of the cpu and bus, this will likely roll out in a week or two.
If there is a major redesign, then January.
It seems Apple is so focused now on "immediate delivery" they are willing to delay release dates just to assure "sufficient quantities" of chips, whatever that really means. This rather than just releasing the device when chips start to flow and keeping an eye on how lead times vary with time as the flow adjusts over time until initial saturation is achieved.
Which side of that fence are you early adopters on?
Rocketman
Not sure - wait a month and see if there's issues... OR
Buy in the first 2 minutes!
While my tendency would not to be too optimistic where Apple updates are concerned, let's not forget one clue: Amazon is offering price rebates on the current towers. These are set to expire on the 12th. Coincidence? You decide.
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There was a rumour from one source that was copied on several Mac sites - nothing confirmed or even second-sourced.
OK - Wild Bill is right - I did see that rumor and it gave me hope, but even if this rumor had more weight, I still feel like there has been a real black hole as far as info on what is a real possibility for the new machines. I say "feels like" especially in relation to the deluge we had with the iPhone & iPod madness.
And, like most others, I hope for a better choice of graphics cards. That being said, I'd ask what are the chances/hurdles/impossibilities of Apple enabling the Mac Pro to accept the many aftermarket cards I see at the local Big Blue? (Aiden?) I like to play games, but my main task is animation and After Effects - (my machine still does well with standard def in short segments, but grinds to a halt at the mere mention of working in HD) maybe the graphics cards that are already available are good enough... but they're OLD. Granted, not as old as the one I'm using now... Is what limits Apple's card usage something very specific outside of the slot type? What is "reasonable" to hope for from Apple? Maybe that's not even a question best suited to this thread, and if not, I apologize. Sorry for rambling as well - I have many questions and worries, it seems.
Those that announce first are the ones that get to eat the most in backstock of old computers.
Business wise, it is FAR better to sell down current inventory to as low as possible before you announce... announcing does nothing but kill sales of your current hardware.
Announce when you can SHIP it. What matters is getting the hardware out ASAP with the lowest levels of previous-edition inventory, not who issues which press release when.
Those of us who only consider Macs just get miffed that Apple's specs lag behind other companies (eg. graphics cards in particular), and are more inclined to hang on for the new models.
Those who aren't purely Mac users but are just looking at spec lists will certainly consider the current Mac Pro to be uncompetitive - it's the same price as when it came out 15 months ago without any improvement in spec. Comparing the Mac Pro today with the Mac Pro in August 2006 it's way over priced or under spec depending on how you want to look at it. Prices are (or should be) falling all the time for any given spec.
You don't know business, Jack.
If I were to decide to buy a bunch of the HPs - it would probably be mid-December before I could get the config info, get quotes, get approval from finance, and issue a Purchase Order to HP.
Your comment might make sense for the consumer systems sitting on Best Buy shelves, but HP is doing the right thing for my planning and purchasing process.
If I were to decide to buy a bunch of the HPs - it would probably be mid-December before I could get the config info, get quotes, get approval from finance, and issue a Purchase Order to HP.
Your comment might make sense for the consumer systems sitting on Best Buy shelves, but HP is doing the right thing for my planning and purchasing process.
Not on workstations, they have remained stable from the big vendors, with additions of the newer quadro FX and firegl cards, even the clvoertown price drop didn't alter prices.
Are you serious? You should never make such and assumption when CPU is concerned.
So basically both companies jump the gun to market an up and coming product with this processor?
Big deal.
Friends at Intel tell me that Apple is buying up the chip in large quantities and making it difficult for anyone else to get them.
Big deal.
Friends at Intel tell me that Apple is buying up the chip in large quantities and making it difficult for anyone else to get them.
About time! The MacPros are over a year old and ridiculously expensive. $2000 for 2 Ghz? No thanks! Even many of Apple's own apps don't use all 4 cores and this has not improved in Leopard. For most things, their 2.0 Xeon is no faster than an almost 5 year old 2.0 G5!
Silent update to the XServe, pretty please? Our organization needs a new one, and it will be a cold day in hell when I pay current retail prices for over-a-year-old technology.
Good eye!
Cut straight from Amazon:
Purchase by: Postmarked by: Rebate amount:
11/12/07 12/12/07 $150.00
Total Rebate Savings: $150.00
November 13, that's the date and it is a Tuesday!
New Mac Pro and displays. I still think the enclosure for both will still be the same. with addition to BTO iSight for ACDs and a larger than 30" new display.
Apple will not wait for MWSF if they have the chips available now. It doesn't make sense. Many business have yearly budgets and taking advantage of end of this year tax deductions is a big incentive.
MWSF has been consumer centric in the last few years. i would expect them to announce other things there. So Bring MacPro NOW!!!!
New Mac Pro and displays. I still think the enclosure for both will still be the same. with addition to BTO iSight for ACDs and a larger than 30" new display.
Apple will not wait for MWSF if they have the chips available now. It doesn't make sense. Many business have yearly budgets and taking advantage of end of this year tax deductions is a big incentive.
MWSF has been consumer centric in the last few years. i would expect them to announce other things there. So Bring MacPro NOW!!!!
Will penryn Mac Pros be ready to ship by nov 13?
Ok, Penryn chips will be available on nov 11th. Motherboards and memory chips I assume are also ready. what about the unit as a whole?
The clovertown 8 core Mac Pros were out early because Apple just slipped it into their existing Mac Pros.
Since they have to build from ground up, do you guys really think that these Penryn based Mac Pros will be ready by Nov 13 just a couple of days after the release of these Penryn chips?
Ok, Penryn chips will be available on nov 11th. Motherboards and memory chips I assume are also ready. what about the unit as a whole?
The clovertown 8 core Mac Pros were out early because Apple just slipped it into their existing Mac Pros.
Since they have to build from ground up, do you guys really think that these Penryn based Mac Pros will be ready by Nov 13 just a couple of days after the release of these Penryn chips?