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It's ironic that you are pointing how the comment the other buddy above claimed was obvious would be wrong.

Unfortunatelly, you are wrong, though. As others have mentioned. I guess looking at iOS 7 with rose-colored iGlasses must be nice.

Well refering to a post from 31 Juli is hardly proof is it? iOS beta 1? That was one of your links...sigh

As I said, my iPhone 5 is faster with iOS 7. And the beta-versions since one month has been stable and fast (for me). Btw I started from iOS 7 beta 4.

You also refer to another poster today using iPhone 5 and saying it is slower (iOS 7) on his iPhone 5.

Hardly any proof if 1(!) poster is experiencing (speed)problems with his iPhone 5!
The poster may have hardware "issues" with his iPhone 5. That thought never crossed your mind did it?

I have no problems at all with my iPhone 5 and iOS 7. As I told you before noticeably FASTER with iOS 7!

And you should know that those who have no problems usually don't post about it.
 
All what I have to say to you is that the problem with biometric technology is that it is hard to know how it will perform outside of controlled conditions. In reality, fingerprint scanning can be unreliable and difficult to use. These sensors often wear out over time, and when they come into contact with water, sweat, and dirt, they don’t perform nearly as well. The elderly, many of whom are some of Apple’s most dedicated fans, as well as those who do manual labor are known to have worn-down prints that are difficult for machines to read. The concern is not so much that Touch ID will let others in – it is that it will keep you out.
Experiences with past fingerprint sensor technology are not relevant. No consumer electronics device has ever had the type of sensor in the 5S. Apple ran out and paid $430M for this sensor technology because they viewed it as a technological breakthrough that would revolutionalize the usability and reliability of biometric security.

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If you are going to promote reading an other article, please take the time to actually cite it properly.
I was quoting the myths, not perpetuating them.
 
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The comment you called "bs" would have been more intelligent than something true? I guess if that's the kind of intelligence you have...



See, that's why reading something in context is important. If you say the currently best available phone is "old", well, I would say something bad but you have already said it yourself. The claims that the iPhone 5S will be faster are meaningless considering it's just a matter of how soon you are willing to replace it. It will likely be very slow when iOS 9 arrives; slower, and in many ways worse, than it will be once it's released in a few days.

That is poor software development. Kids who ask their parents to give them a new phone aren't going to care, but an update system that makes something that has been released less than one year ago to be "old" and to actually become more sluggish is simply sloppy.

now you're saying two different things. it's not a bad thing for one os to be faster than the other, it doesn't mean it's sluggish, now you're introducing absolute bs into the mix. i've used ios 7 since beta and sluggish it is not. i would believe that ios 6 would perform maybe faster, but it's not detrimental.

every new piece of software released should have higher pre-reqs than the past. that's software development going into the future. it's not shocking to me at all that any new piece of software will run slower on any computer than the old piece of software, assuming the old piece of software was bug free and ran as efficient as iOS
 
Yes, Touch ID is a real advance for the NSA. (Don't be naive and believe the company statements. The Yahoo director have said to the media, that for companies to criticize the NSAs procedures publically is akin to treason and punishable with prison.

The NSA does not care about what is on your phone. The scanner is a huge security improvement for most people. I'll guided and ignorant NSA comments do not change that.

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What is there to get? Right now, its just a phone unlocker and a substitute for a password or pin. Get back to me when its used for more sophisticated things that that my puny mind can't get.

You will be shown clearly. Although your steadfast ignorance will probably never be overcome.
 
What does that have to do with it iOS devices having a two year max lifespan, since that was comment was directed to (and quoted for good measure).

Oh right, I'm supposed to pick up on the dry wit and eyebrow waggling that you did while you were typing that expresses the obvious sarcasm that was astonishingly similar to half the other complaining posts.

And no, it doesn't work as quickly or smoothly, it also has applications on it that didn't exist in any form, as it has gained functionality it has lost responsiveness, but not to the point where it's useful lifespan is at an end. But hey, why actually talk about something when we can just snark back and forth.

Let's do that.
 
What alternate reality are you living in ? Who DOESN'T pull out their phone and respond to a text, google something, Facebook, twitter, etc, WHILE walking, (or driving for that matter). If everyone chose not to "be in motion" while they were on their devices, our world would literally come to a halt.

Once again, you're missing the point. First, I was arguing against the rationale that a small screen is better because it allows for one-handed use.

Second, the reality that I live in sucks because people are doing the things you mention instead of paying attention to where they are going. I didn't say no one does these things. I implied that you shouldn't. Why? Because that is a good way to get run over, or run someone over yourself. It is just unsafe. Women are easy targets for rapists when they head for their car at night and are staring at the phone instead of their surroundings. You can fall into an uncovered manhole, or step into an elevator shaft when the doors open and the elevator isn't there. All these things are happening, because people are doing what you say "in my reality". Heaven forbid that someone runs over your kid or plows into a school bus because they just had to answer that tweet with one hand on the steering wheel.

For doing the things you mention, it is best to stop moving, do what you are going to do (text, tweet, google something, look at the phone to see who's calling), then continue.

Just because you can do something, does not mean that you should. In military installations, unless you have a hands-free device, it's the law to pull over while answering your phone. You can get in trouble when you don't.

We all know the consequences of texting and driving.

The point really is this: Apple's rationale for a smaller screen is one-handed use. I contend that one-handed use is supposed to be absolutely indispensable only when on the go. At those times, you should not be looking at your phone all the time. At worst, you should be glancing at it while watching where you're going. At best, you use Siri. In situations where you are staring at your phone, one handed use is almost unnecesary. There are, as always, exceptions.

But for the things you are really meant to do on the go, a bigger screen does not stop you. Typing on a phone is better with two hands, last I checked. Watching a movie and reading is better when the screen is larger. Playing games is better with two hands. Taking pictures, etc. Most things that one does with a cellphone are best done with two hands on the device.

So, to summarize:

A: I disagree with Apple's one-handed use as a screen size rationale
B: Stop walking, driving, moving when using a device (or app) that requires your (relatively) undivided attention. You can hurt yourself and others if you don't.
 
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The so called secure enclave is at chip level. The theoretical cyber attacker would not only need to breach iOS (which hasnt happened in practice), but somehow get past hardware level security.

If you consider that a worry, then theres many more likely and catastrophic events which could happen to you each day that you should be worried about. Like being struck twice by lightning.
It is funny that people who currently use no security or inferior security on their phone are complaining about the security of the fingerprint scanner. Either people are just automagically hating everything or else they really don't understand the benefits of the fingerprint scanner in context. The scanner is a huge security upgrade for pretty much everyone who will use it.

I know people want to think the NSA and Russian hackers give two flips about hacking into THEIR phone, but that is not the case. For almost everyone it is a massive upgrade in security tied to a huge upgrade in efficiency and convience. It is a pretty remarkable achievement.

Certainly not on the level of tracking your eyes watching a video, lol, or waving your hand an inch over the phone instead of on it, lmao, but it is still up there.
Agree
And now with iOS7s new password screen, it seems much easier for onlookers to see a 4 digit code as the numbers glow for longer.
 
Seriously. I used to hate when PC people told me their build was faster than my Mac. Then when we start running applications, I'm chugging along while they struggle with blue screens, reboots, and non-intuitive software. I don't care how fast your computer is, if the OS and apps aren't written to support the technology and speed, and it's not intuitive, then you just wasted time and money.

Notice how when you go to Best Buy or back in the day, CompUSA.. they always sold you computers based on specs. At Apple, they sell you computers based on what tasks you are performing.

Reminds me of an Apple ad I saw years ago. Two executives are watching a room full of workers, most of them are standing in line to use the Apple computer while the Windows computers are mostly unused. One of the execs says "It's not a fair test, people actually like using the Apple."
 
And what is your point?

Recent issues that I can think of off the top of my head are:
  • Maps
  • iPhone 5 scuffing issues
  • Antennagate (as insignificant as it was, it made national news for weeks)
  • Siri sucked for a year

My point was Apple could not afford to go out on a limb with Touch ID.

My point was that when it comes to a new piece of hardware that no one else has been able to implement and it's a piece of cutting edge security like the Fingerprint ID, that will be the golden key to high security usage, then there was no way it was not going to be perfect. With a piece of hardware/software combo like this, if it's not 100% then it's useless.

To compare the implementation of the fingerprint scanner to the minor beat ups you have listed does not make sense.
 
The NSA does not care about what is on your phone. The scanner is a huge security improvement for most people. I'll guided and ignorant NSA comments do not change that.

Are you really that naive? Have you been paying attention to the events the last year? Remember US media is run by a handful of big corporation, and they are heavily sensured, and a lot of news channels in other western country are very dumbed down. You don't get real and important information, you have to know where to look for real news. Drudgereport.com and benswann.com are great news sources, you can start there...
 
totally agree! 64bit and fp are merely mkting fodder for now. ppl should be worried about battery in 5s. Beware folks!

Why is 64 bit useless? Anandtech is saying that the 64 bit in the 5s does give it a slight performance boost due to 64 bit. Switching to 64 bit gives it a slight performance boost
 
Why is 64 bit useless? Anandtech is saying that the 64 bit in the 5s does give it a slight performance boost due to 64 bit. Switching to 64 bit gives it a slight performance boost

It's not useless, it is inevitable. Had to be done at some point, Apple chose to do it now.

The actual effect of 64-bit is slim to none in the 5S, though. That's just how it is. 64-bit processors have been around for ages. If they really would be so darned much better than 16/32-bit CPUs we would have had them in our desktops and whatnots since forever as well. The fact is that the most useful thing they do is provide enough address space to use 3+ GB of RAM without any trickeries.
 
It's not useless, it is inevitable. Had to be done at some point, Apple chose to do it now.

The actual effect of 64-bit is slim to none in the 5S, though. That's just how it is. 64-bit processors have been around for ages. If they really would be so darned much better than 16/32-bit CPUs we would have had them in our desktops and whatnots since forever as well. The fact is that the most useful thing they do is provide enough address space to use 3+ GB of RAM without any trickeries.

The move to 64 bit ARM isn't just to address a larger memory space, It is also a new ARM architecture, ARMv8 is a new ARM architecture ,64-bit ARM. Anandtech states around a 10-20% increase in performance from switching to the new 64-bit ARMv8 architecture, which Apple and the 5S beat out Qualcomm and these other companies, even beating the server ARM chips due to be released next year.
 
Anandtech states around a 10-20% increase in performance from switching to the new 64-bit ARMv8 architecture.

Yes, that is what I said. Slim to none. The reality is that for the things that 64-bit cpus start showing real performance improvement you'd want some other computing platform than a phone in the first place.

But like said, there are lots of reasons why it had to be done. Performance improvement just isn't one of them.
 
Yes, that is what I said. Slim to none. The reality is that for the things that 64-bit cpus start showing real performance improvement you'd want some other computing platform than a phone in the first place.

But like said, there are lots of reasons why it had to be done. Performance improvement just isn't one of them.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/4

Look at the results between 64 and 32 bit
 
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/4

Look at the results between 64 and 32 bit

So, how often do you do prime number factorization or particle physics calculations on your phone?

Unless you spend a fair amount of your time doing that, then let me say it once more: the performance advantage is slim to none.
 
So, how often do you do prime number factorization or particle physics calculations on your phone?

Unless you spend a fair amount of your time doing that, then let me say it once more: the performance advantage is slim to none.

Gamers? 5X faster loading times for infinity blade 3.
 
Your right...my iMessages get sent out .000005 seconds faster. Well, maybe .005.


EDIT: I am totally messing with you man. #

Hey, if you were a robot doing stock trades that .0005 seconds would be millions of dollars ;)
 
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