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The so called secure enclave is at chip level. The theoretical cyber attacker would not only need to breach iOS (which hasnt happened in practice), but somehow get past hardware level security.

If you consider that a worry, then theres many more likely and catastrophic events which could happen to you each day that you should be worried about. Like being struck twice by lightning.
It is funny that people who currently use no security or inferior security on their phone are complaining about the security of the fingerprint scanner. Either people are just automagically hating everything or else they really don't understand the benefits of the fingerprint scanner in context. The scanner is a huge security upgrade for pretty much everyone who will use it.

I know people want to think the NSA and Russian hackers give two flips about hacking into THEIR phone, but that is not the case. For almost everyone it is a massive upgrade in security tied to a huge upgrade in efficiency and convience. It is a pretty remarkable achievement.

Certainly not on the level of tracking your eyes watching a video, lol, or waving your hand an inch over the phone instead of on it, lmao, but it is still up there.[/QUOTE]


"Either people are just automagically hating everything or else they really don't understand the benefits of the fingerprint scanner in context. The scanner is a huge security upgrade for pretty much everyone who will use it."

All what I have to say to you is that the problem with biometric technology is that it is hard to know how it will perform outside of controlled conditions. In reality, fingerprint scanning can be unreliable and difficult to use. These sensors often wear out over time, and when they come into contact with water, sweat, and dirt, they don’t perform nearly as well. The elderly, many of whom are some of Apple’s most dedicated fans, as well as those who do manual labor are known to have worn-down prints that are difficult for machines to read. The concern is not so much that Touch ID will let others in – it is that it will keep you out.

Also talking about " being struck twice by lightning" I think you may need to open a new thread @ the Whether Channel Forum...the rest of your post is just garbage:)
 
One handed use is meant to be secondary...you're not really supposed to be walking, driving, or be in motion while staring at a device who's main source of input is something you have to look at. That's a good way to get run over.

What alternate reality are you living in ? Who DOESN'T pull out their phone and respond to a text, google something, Facebook, twitter, etc, WHILE walking, (or driving for that matter). If everyone chose not to "be in motion" while they were on their devices, our world would literally come to a halt.
 
New thing from Apple doesnt always work...
Im a bit afraid to use the new 64bit architecture.
Its going to be a wait for me.
Until then, Ill use my HTC One.

This doesn't even make sense!

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Appears to be the fastest phone on the market when it hits the street and it still needs doubled cores and more RAM? :rolleyes:

The speed increase is crazy in those charts. I have a 4S and it gets murdered by this new 5S. I can't wait to try one out.

Enjoy
 
i have a bad feeling about 5s - the reviews are not that glowing for battery. they have almost same battery size but with two flashes (yea whatever they may call it for mkting - twin tone flash), processor which they say is twice powerful than previous one, and 64 bit which is without any doubt a cause of concern for the 5s buyers. and they havent upgraded the battery tech, it the same.

Buyers beware!

I have always found that any new smartphone or tablet has terrible battery life when you first get it. Why? Simply because this is a new to you device and as it's something new, you are checking out the features and setting it up to your liking by adding apps, taking photos or seeing what this amazing-super-cool-gee-wiz product you just bought can do! I noticed this with the Nexus 7 and HTC One and after the "newness" wears off a bit, the battery life tends to return to normal. I am sure these new iPhones will be similar to most people.
 
You do realise that this is an Apple phone?

And what is your point?

Recent issues that I can think of off the top of my head are:
  • Maps
  • iPhone 5 scuffing issues
  • Antennagate (as insignificant as it was, it made national news for weeks)
  • Siri sucked for a year

My point was Apple could not afford to go out on a limb with Touch ID.
 
I'm using an iPhone 3GS, and I was hoping for a reason to upgrade. But there is little that matters to me.

A. The 5S is faster: this is illusory. It will be faster than the iPhone 5 running iOS 7, but the iPhone 5 running iOS 7 will be slower than the iPhone 5 running iOS 6. Apple doesn't want to or doesn't know how to (or probably both) make a new iOS run well on older devices. Whatever speed the iPhone 5S has now, it will slow to a crawl with iOS 9. This may be irrelevant to people in the USA with 2 year contracts, but that's not how the entire world works.

B. The iPhone 5S has a bigger screen and different form factor: the increased height while keeping the same width makes the iPhone 5S show less of some webpages when compared to the iPhone 4S and older models. This is worse in landscape mode. Besides, as far as form factor goes, I prefer the curved back of the 3GS.

C. Better camera, which is actually the only real benefit; but IMO, I can take work pictures with my iPad, and for sporadic pictures the 3GS camera works.

D. Fingerprint sensor: useless to me. I take care to not lose my phone and I don't have anything sensitive in there, so it does not lock under a password. The fingerprint sensor has then no purpose, considering its limited utility. For the records, it's the same as Siri, which is rather useless in my country.

For me, Apple has failed. I want to buy a new phone (my 3GS is beginning to break), but Apple has not managed to release anything I would really like to buy. A better keyboard (on a new iOS, which would require a newer device) would be my main reason to update; a bigger screen would be nice, too. More customization options would be great, but that's something Apple would never allow.

iphone 5 with ios 6 will be faster than iphone 5s with ios 7? where do you pull this bs out of?
 
Wow a bigger screen and "hot new aluminum" is so innovative.


Great innovation usually comes with new product categories. Anyone who claims Apple isn't innovating the iphone is naive, and shortsighted. I just want the best possible phone from Apple, and that means a slightly larger screen, a beautiful design, ingenious Apple hardware, simple UI, and great customer service. They've almost got it all, i'll continue to complain until they nail it. (and so will everyone else)
 
"The best part is that it actually works -- every single time, in my tests. It's nothing like the balky, infuriating fingerprint-reader efforts of earlier cellphones. It's genuinely awesome; the haters can go jump off a pier."

Best. Review. Ever.
 
of course when android took two years to implement a find my phone feature, nobody from android was crying afoul
 
Hey Edward Baig, what happens when your home is raided or you're mugged and they want you to put your damn finger on the button? OH, right! They also get all your web passwords from your cloud! How dumb could you be!? I would never store my passwords in one basket or online for that matter.
Considering they'd need you to use your finger every single time, it would be easier to just bash your face in and write them down.

Christ.
 
I have always found that any new smartphone or tablet has terrible battery life when you first get it. Why? Simply because this is a new to you device and as it's something new, you are checking out the features and setting it up to your liking by adding apps, taking photos or seeing what this amazing-super-cool-gee-wiz product you just bought can do! I noticed this with the Nexus 7 and HTC One and after the "newness" wears off a bit, the battery life tends to return to normal. I am sure these new iPhones will be similar to most people.

And the reason for that is not because s/w has artificial intelligence to learn and improve battery life. Its because ppl adjust their habits to accommodate and conserve battery life - unfortunately that's true. Again I am not bashing Apple, just saying that you cannot have more/same battery life but adding battery eating features like double flash, double processing power and double address bits (64-bit).

Ppl will notice battery problem more in 5s. They were ok with 5 because compared to 4/4s, it had bigger battery when they added even though they added battery eating features in 5 at that time. But between 5 and 5S that's not the case. Buyers beware!

The S series has always been a battery trap. I can guarantee that iphone 6 will have bigger screens not because they want to provide bigger screens but to add more battery space.
 
And the reason for that is not because s/w has artificial intelligence to learn and improve battery life. Its because ppl adjust their habits to accommodate and conserve battery life - unfortunately that's true. Again I am not bashing Apple, just saying that you cannot have more/same battery life but adding battery eating features like double flash, double processing power and double address bits (64-bit).

Ppl will notice battery problem more in 5s. They were ok with 5 because compared to 4/4s, it had bigger battery when they added even though they added battery eating features in 5 at that time. But between 5 and 5S that's not the case. Buyers beware!

The S series has always been a battery trap. I can guarantee that iphone 6 will have bigger screens not because they want to provide bigger screens but to add more battery space.

I had no idea you were a power delivery SOC engineer, tell us again how you've factored in all the new processing abilities and the power saving technical features that run behind the scenes in iOS7? You've also factored in the M7 offloading the battery draw from the A7 for sensory input? :rolleyes:

It's nice being an armchair SoC designer isn't it?
 
One thing I have yet to be able to determine is whether the Touch ID sensor is required, or if it can be disabled? I know a few people that say if it can't be disabled, then they will abandon iPhone and move to Android...
 
Are people's memory so bad that they forgot about Siri? Every new iphone release has a new "innovative" feature that is buzzed about, used for a few months, then forgotten about. The iTouch is the new Siri. Sorry to rain on people's parade, but a little reality check once in a while is a good thing. A little of me actually died when I read reviews praising the 5s' spec bump (faster processor and better camera) as amazing when all new phones have spec bumps, and these same reviewers call spec bumps just more of the same for any other phone. In fact, they sometime go out of their way to state that the speed increase isn't noticeable in real life. But when it the iphone, it's the new slice bread. The iphone is a great phone, don't get me wrong. But lets not go crazy, and call it innovative when its not.

Odd. I use Siri every single day. I love it.
 
One thing I have yet to be able to determine is whether the Touch ID sensor is required, or if it can be disabled? I know a few people that say if it can't be disabled, then they will abandon iPhone and move to Android...

You don't enable it. Problem solved.
 
Yes it's an evolutionary step forward.... but many of us will be awaiting the 6 in a year.

:D

64bit processor, true tone flash, touch ID, iOS7. What is the iPhone 6 going to have that is more compelling? A pretty new case?
 
If someone really wanted to get through the finger security on someone else's phone, would it be possible to lift the physical print from the touch screen and use it on the sensor to unlock the phone? (was watching Dark Knight Rises the other day :) )
 
From your inability to read. Try again - I said the iPhone 5 with iOS 6 will be faster than the iPhone 5 with iOS 7.

sorry i assumed you said something that was more intelligent htan it really is. my bad.

"OMG, A NEW PIECE OF SOFTWARE RUNS SLOWER ON MY OLD PHONE!"

well no duh.
 
sorry i assumed you said something that was more intelligent htan it really is. my bad.

The comment you called "bs" would have been more intelligent than something true? I guess if that's the kind of intelligence you have...

"OMG, A NEW PIECE OF SOFTWARE RUNS SLOWER ON MY OLD PHONE!"

See, that's why reading something in context is important. If you say the currently best available phone is "old", well, I would say something bad but you have already said it yourself. The claims that the iPhone 5S will be faster are meaningless considering it's just a matter of how soon you are willing to replace it. It will likely be very slow when iOS 9 arrives; slower, and in many ways worse, than it will be once it's released in a few days.

That is poor software development. Kids who ask their parents to give them a new phone aren't going to care, but an update system that makes something that has been released less than one year ago to be "old" and to actually become more sluggish is simply sloppy.
 
Nope

From your inability to read. Try again - I said the iPhone 5 with iOS 6 will be faster than the iPhone 5 with iOS 7.

Well I have used the iPhone 5 (with iOS 6) since it came out a year ago. And then I got the chance to run different iOS 7 beta-versions up until release date (today)

So I can tell you you are wrong!

From my practical experience iOS 7 is faster, and that is not my subjective opinion. Several programs are noticably faster with iOS 7 among them a heavy map-program called Sygic.

Sygic took forever to launch with iOS 6. Now with iOS 7 it is blazingly fast!

I have some other programs as well were the speed difference is obvious - and they are all faster with iOS 7. The beta-versions have been pretty stable for a month so I am talking from personal experience using iOS 7.

I think you are either trolling or simply don't have a clue! :D

If you can prove me wrong - Go ahead!
 
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If you think the fingerprint sensor is like Siri, you do not get it at all.
What is there to get? Right now, its just a phone unlocker and a substitute for a password or pin. Get back to me when its used for more sophisticated things that that my puny mind can't get.
 
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