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First iPhone in the Wild (West Texas A&M)
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"Dr O'Brien has a serious eBay opportunity on his hands"
Wouldn't that be interesting...
hahaha, yes he does. makes you wonder how much are people really willing to spend for an iphone a month ahead of schedule...
Using a commencement address to hype any product, yes even an iPhone, is crass and inappropriate. Gadzooks, these kids just paid over a hundred grand for a diploma and now they have to put up with advertising to get it?
Untenable.
Untenable.
I get your point, but I went in-state to UT and paid quite a bit less than $100K. I checked out the tuition at WTAMU and here's what i found:
These are the estimated costs of a semester for a full-time student living on campus.
Texas Resident Costs*
Tuition, Fees, and Books........................................................$ 2,722
Housing and Meals...................................................................2,492
Total Costs........................................................................$ 5,214
Border State-Resident Costs*
Tuition, Fees, and Books......................................................$ 3,172
Housing and Meals.................................................................2,492
Total Costs......................................................................$ 5,664
Out-Of-State Costs*
Tuition, Fees, and Books......................................................$ 6,847
Housing and Meals.................................................................2,492
Total Costs......................................................................$ 9,339
So even including housing, if one assumes 8 semesters for a degree (which i suppose is optimistic these days), this would run:
In-state
$41712
Border-state (New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana)
$45312
Out-of-State
$74712
(Source: http://www.wtamu.edu/admissions/freshmen/tuition.html)
I would doubt pretty seriously that WTAMU would draw out of state residents beyond the border states. I live in Texas and hadn't heard of it (I knew there was an A&M system, just hadn't heard of that campus). But even if it did, you still can't get too close to $100K.
This was more out of personal curiosity than anything, I wasn't trying to dispute your point on how inappropriate this was. I also wanted to point out that if you're a Texas resident you can get a great education for a very reasonable price (I got my Bachelor's in Computer Science from a top 10 CS program for about $40-50K tuition).
-Lee
Why would he be?
Hahah...he says with furrowed brows while brushing his coat back to reveal a glistening revolver, his hands hovering over it, twitching...
Thanks for the info. That is a really affordable education - I'm glad to see Texas is doing a good job. I hope my kids like it there.
I wonder if they're heavily subsidizing the tuition or if the classes are huge. With the cost of books these days, it seems like the kids are paying $4-500 per class; community college back East cost more than that a couple decades ago.
Anyway, you're right - it's not about the number. To paraphrase Steve Jobs, "The only problem with AT&T is they just have no taste."
It wouldn't violate FCC rules at all if it was given away for free. The only restriction at this point is on selling the iPhone, not using it. How else do you think they are evaluating the iPhone within Apple?
Stan gave the Phone to the President to look at, and they passed it around and let many of the faculty look at it, but at the end of the presentation, Stan took it back, saying he could not give it out yet, stating it would violate FCC rules. If he gave it to the President it would be more of a gift and I don't think they can just go around and give Iphones out to everyone.
Sure they can, they just won't make much money on their investment doing it that way.
Well then you'd be the owner of a slightly upgraded and not particularly unique laptop, as opposed to the owner of the most coveted, talked about, market-shaking personal electronics device of the year.
I bet it would fetch over $2k right now.
And just wait for the bidding wars to start when stock runs low....remember the nano before Christmas '05?
*yawn*
so can't wait for the dumb iPhone to be released already... i'm sooooo over hearing about it...
so can't wait for the dumb iPhone to be released already... i'm sooooo over hearing about it...
You think you've heard a lot about it already? Just wait until all the media hoopla (re)starts. Guaranteed 2 weeks' nonstop media coverage about everything from how long people are waiting in line to buy one, to how well the device works, to how there are shortages of them, to sales figures, etc etc ad nauseum.
Thanks for the info. That is a really affordable education - I'm glad to see Texas is doing a good job. I hope my kids like it there.
I wonder if they're heavily subsidizing the tuition or if the classes are huge. With the cost of books these days, it seems like the kids are paying $4-500 per class; community college back East cost more than that a couple decades ago.
Anyway, you're right - it's not about the number. To paraphrase Steve Jobs, "The only problem with AT&T is they just have no taste."
You're right, I did not include books. That definitely varies by program and professor. Some professors only require packets of notes that you get from a copy shop for $10-15. Some classes require the *newest* edition of a book, so you can't get it used, and that can run >$100. All in all with trying to buy used books, selling them back, and the "refund" the co-op offered (something like 10% of all co-op purchases for which you kept receipts) I probably spent $300-$500 on books per semester. That does bump the cost up $3000-4000, but I at least wasn't using loans for those as I was for tuition.
I did my first year at the UT Dallas campus, so I didn't have to deal with the massive freshman seminars at UT Austin. Since the UT and A&M systems are both public, they are definitely subsidized by tax dollars. Obviously alumni donations help also, as well as the hugely inflated costs of tuition for international students. I couldn't estimate for the whole school, but 10-20% of the CS program while I was there were international students, I believe.
If you go to a private university in Texas, it still costs a boatload. I just looked at Baylor and Rice, and they run $12,500 and $14,200 per semester, tuition only. Again, assuming 8 semesters, that's $100,000 and $113,600. I know they are good schools, but I couldn't justify paying more than twice as much for a similar education and perhaps slightly smaller class sizes.
Since private universities do not get state tax dollars, there isn't a lower rate for residents. That definitely evens the playing field between private and public schools if someone was looking to go to school in Texas from out of state.
This went way off topic, but I thought someone might get some benefit from a somewhat recent graduate's experience with higher education in Texas.
I also have an immediate adverse reaction to stereotyping people from Texas. I have lived in Texas since birth, and I don't wear a 10-gallon hat or cowboy boots, I don't speak with a drawl, I have never participated in a rodeo, I don't square or line dance, I don't drill for oil, and I've always had running water and electricity. I'm sure there's "back-country" folks in every state that others from the state wouldn't want to be identified with. For some reason Texas just seems to get that characterization more often.
-Lee
Think really hard about what you're doing here, Lee. Do you really want to attract a bunch of effete yankees and assorted Eurotrash to Texas?
wow people are really crying "I'm so sick of hearing about the iphone" boohoo waaa tear
your going to hear about it more, its one of the biggest electronic devices to come out in awhile.
your going to hear about it more, its one of the biggest electronic devices to come out in awhile.
My tuition at UT (for Computer Science) is around $4k for the fall. Not quite as affordable as West Texas A&M, but the differences in institutions is well worth it.
My first thought when I saw the title of the article was that he's going to need the google maps feature to get out of town...
My first thought when I saw the title of the article was that he's going to need the google maps feature to get out of town...
Surely you can't be serious?
I've honestly never understood why people always think that being from Texas is a bad thing. There are the stereotypical Texans that we've all seen and heard of, but basing your beliefs on people from Texas solely on stereotypes is just as bad as stereotyping races, cultures, religions, etc.
I'm sorry if you have a problem with people who are proud to be from Texas and aren't afraid to show it.
Really? I thought it was quite small
I just used my 2 year upgrade with Cingular/AT&T to get a Motorola RAZR V3xx (3G phone). It was the best bang for the buck, and my other phone was crapping out and really needed to be replaced.
Of course, even with 3G, I don't use the data stuff at all. Right now it's waaaay to expensive for me to justify it. When data plans are more reasonably priced, I'll consider it, but until then, it's voice calls for me. The syncing features with the iPhone would be neat, but still wouldn't justify the price.
