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I really enjoyed the new Sabrina, but it’s annoying how the creators don’t seem able to make up their mind whether the main witch cult is evil or not. Sometimes they act like they’re just misunderstood, at others times they’re all about murder, torture, ritual sacrifice. You can’t have it both ways guys! Pick a direction and commit to it!

Seems like to them, stuff like torture and sacrifice are considered the norm. I mean, the witches pretty much think nothing of hurling curses and spells around and the general attitude seems to be “it’s your own fault if you aren’t skilled enough to ward yourself against hexes”. I guess you aren’t supposed to think too much about the morality aspect of it.
 
Awesome, looking forward to it. I was skeptical, but Apple TV has been great. Morning Show, See, Servant, and Truth Be Told were all quality. I think it's already better than Netflix, more aligned to HBO.

They're all good, but not cult-status good like Stranger Things, or Game of Thrones. SEE is good, but I don't see (pun intended) anyone would talk about it. Morning show? Another good show, but would it become the FRIENDS of TV+? I doubt it.
 
They're all good, but not cult-status good like Stranger Things, or Game of Thrones. SEE is good, but I don't see (pun intended) anyone would talk about it. Morning show? Another good show, but would it become the FRIENDS of TV+? I doubt it.

Seems a tall order for a streaming service to have a cult hit in its first three months of existing.

Friends happened decades after NBC existed. Game of Thrones, decades after HBO launched. Stranger Things, six years into Netflix being a streaming service.
 
Seems a tall order for a streaming service to have a cult hit in its first three months of existing.

Friends happened decades after NBC existed. Game of Thrones, decades after HBO launched. Stranger Things, six years into Netflix being a streaming service.

It's not about how long the streaming platform aged, it's the content. "Stranger Things" is very well accepted even after the 1st season. Game of Thrones does well since its inception. Although it was because it made its way from GRRM novels.

TV+ is indeed a new service with new original programmings, but Apple isn't exactly a new player in streaming industry. They sell and rent movies and TV series through iTunes for years (just like the old HBO aires 3rd party contents for years before going original in 1997). They can at least learn how to make hits.
 
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People that don't agree with my tastes have no discerning taste. lol get over yourself.

Sure. Ask a provocative question that you already know the answer to and then complain when you get one you don’t like. Internet 101.
 
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It's not about how long the streaming platform aged, it's the content. "Stranger Things" is very well accepted even after the 1st season. Game of Thrones does well since its inception. Although it was because it made its way from GRRM novels.

Again, none of those shows happened within the first few months of either service launching.

They can at least learn how to make hits.

And they’re doing just that.
 
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How would you know it's going to be a lecture without watching it? Simply because it's telling uplifting stories about people adjusting to life in a new country? That's a lecture to you? Seeing people do well against all odds? Really? Says a lot about you.
I 1000% agree with this. Don't comment on a show's quality or whether you think it will be a lecture-type show, before watching.
 
Seems a tall order for a streaming service to have a cult hit in its first three months of existing.

Friends happened decades after NBC existed. Game of Thrones, decades after HBO launched. Stranger Things, six years into Netflix being a streaming service.

Devil’s advocate here although with an existing IP: baby yoda

Perhaps if/when TV+ is more available on different devices with content that attracts similar demographics will it gain some trending traction.
 
Devil’s advocate here although with an existing IP: baby yoda

Perhaps if/when TV+ is more available on different devices with content that attracts similar demographics will it gain some trending traction.
What point are you making with Baby Yoda? That it’s possible for a new service to include something that gets a lot of attention?
 
Again, none of those shows happened within the first few months of either service launching.

But none of those services started exclusively only with original contents.
HBO was airing 3rd party movies so that people enticed, and subscribed to their cable.
Netflix started as DVD rentals for, well 3rd party movies.

TV+ .. well TV+ starts from scratch with nothing else to watch (unless you pay regular for individual purchase, or rents). It's like tending a seedling that need many more years before it starts fruiting (or not).

And they’re doing just that.

And I am waiting patiently for that, thankfully I have 1st year for free. Still doesn't change the fact that TV+ needs some really, really good show that everyone keeps raving about.
 
I 1000% agree with this. Don't comment on a show's quality or whether you think it will be a lecture-type show, before watching.

I don't understand you people.

Are you not able to watch a trailer and and know what kind of movie is?

Do you need to watch a Stallone movie, any Stallone movie, first to know what kind of movie it was?

Do you need to watch any Adam Sandler movie first to understand what it was about?

Did you need to watch The Passion of the Christ first to know what the movie was about or what kind of movie it was?

Do you need to watch any Jerry Bruckheimer movie or Michael Bay first movie to know what type of movie it is?

Are you really, truly, not able to tell if a movie is for you or if a movie has a particular slant by watching a trailer?

I sure can tell a lot about the type of movie or show by watching a trailer.

If you can't figure it out, then this is a "you" problem and there is zero reason to discuss my original comment, because it is clearly over your head.

And I am not trying to be mean or combative---MOST people can tell if a movie is for them by watching a trailer---you don't need to watch a movie or show first to determine if it's something you'd like.

All I can take from my the responses to my original comment is that you cannot be critical of an Apple TV plus show without receiving a lecture from people on macrumors about how you are a bad person with the wrong views.

No, you MUST watch it first and can NEVER be critical without a full screening.

I suspect much of the backlash I've received is political, and would not have come from anyone if I had made a comment about "See."

My opinions are mine and I will share them on this forum---if you don't like them, I do not care.

And to you, sir----I never said ANYTHING about the quality---that is something the other commenter made up because he couldn't support his argument otherwise.
 
Devil’s advocate here although with an existing IP: baby yoda

Baby yoda is interesting, but is it enough to carry a show for many seasons like Game of Thrones did?
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But none of those services started exclusively only with original contents.
HBO was airing 3rd party movies so that people enticed, and subscribed to their cable.
Netflix started as DVD rentals for, well 3rd party movies.

TV+ .. well TV+ starts from scratch with nothing else to watch (unless you pay regular for individual purchase, or rents). It's like tending a seedling that need many more years before it starts fruiting (or not).

Right.

And I am waiting patiently for that, thankfully I have 1st year for free. Still doesn't change the fact that TV+ needs some really, really good show that everyone keeps raving about.

I think they're doing OK so far, all things considered.
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I don't understand you people.

Are you not able to watch a trailer and and know what kind of movie is?

Do you need to watch a Stallone movie, any Stallone movie, first to know what kind of movie it was?

Do you need to watch any Adam Sandler movie first to understand what it was about?

Did you need to watch The Passion of the Christ first to know what the movie was about or what kind of movie it was?

Do you need to watch any Jerry Bruckheimer movie or Michael Bay first movie to know what type of movie it is?

Are you really, truly, not able to tell if a movie is for you or if a movie has a particular slant by watching a trailer?

I sure can tell a lot about the type of movie or show by watching a trailer.

If you can't figure it out, then this is a "you" problem and there is zero reason to discuss my original comment, because it is clearly over your head.

And I am not trying to be mean or combative---MOST people can tell if a movie is for them by watching a trailer---you don't need to watch a movie or show first to determine if it's something you'd like.

All I can take from my the responses to my original comment is that you cannot be critical of an Apple TV plus show without receiving a lecture from people on macrumors about how you are a bad person with the wrong views.

No, you MUST watch it first and can NEVER be critical without a full screening.

I suspect much of the backlash I've received is political, and would not have come from anyone if I had made a comment about "See."

My opinions are mine and I will share them on this forum---if you don't like them, I do not care.

And to you, sir----I never said ANYTHING about the quality---that is something the other commenter made up because he couldn't support his argument otherwise.

You made a post that consisted entirely of the two sentences "Awesome. Looking forward to the lecture."

And now you're surprised people get the impression that you judge a book by its cover?
 
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I don't understand you people.

Are you not able to watch a trailer and and know what kind of movie is?

Do you need to watch a Stallone movie, any Stallone movie, first to know what kind of movie it was?

Do you need to watch any Adam Sandler movie first to understand what it was about?

Did you need to watch The Passion of the Christ first to know what the movie was about or what kind of movie it was?

Do you need to watch any Jerry Bruckheimer movie or Michael Bay first movie to know what type of movie it is?

Are you really, truly, not able to tell if a movie is for you or if a movie has a particular slant by watching a trailer?

I sure can tell a lot about the type of movie or show by watching a trailer.

If you can't figure it out, then this is a "you" problem and there is zero reason to discuss my original comment, because it is clearly over your head.

And I am not trying to be mean or combative---MOST people can tell if a movie is for them by watching a trailer---you don't need to watch a movie or show first to determine if it's something you'd like.

All I can take from my the responses to my original comment is that you cannot be critical of an Apple TV plus show without receiving a lecture from people on macrumors about how you are a bad person with the wrong views.

No, you MUST watch it first and can NEVER be critical without a full screening.

I suspect much of the backlash I've received is political, and would not have come from anyone if I had made a comment about "See."

My opinions are mine and I will share them on this forum---if you don't like them, I do not care.

And to you, sir----I never said ANYTHING about the quality---that is something the other commenter made up because he couldn't support his argument otherwise.
I just rewatched the trailer. Not a damn thing in that trailer is attempting to "lecture" to the viewer.
 
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They're all good, but not cult-status good like Stranger Things, or Game of Thrones. SEE is good, but I don't see (pun intended) anyone would talk about it. Morning show? Another good show, but would it become the FRIENDS of TV+? I doubt it.

True, but this service has only been out for a few months. I’m not expecting a major hit right away, but you can see that the potential is there. They’ll have their hit in due time.
 
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I just rewatched the trailer. Not a damn thing in that trailer is attempting to "lecture" to the viewer.
Then we clearly have different tastes or perceptions.

What is wrong with you?

Why are you harassing me and why are you obsessed about what I should or should not be watching?

Do you have to have the last word? Is that it? Is that how I will get you to leave me alone?

Here--you can have the last word. Then please leave me alone. Really---it's creepy.
 
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I haven't used this service, but saying it's better than Netflix is a BOLD statement.

Netflix content can vary, but their first party content is usually very good, they pick up fan-or-cult-favorite shows that networks neglect and give them proper endings, and the sheer variety in their selection of shows and movies is still the best.

Netflix is the best-bang-for-the-buck-out-there, in my opinion, if anything for the enormous amount of shows on it.

I cut the cord roughly 6 years ago and currently have Netflix, Hulu, Disney+ and Prime, but Netflix is my go-to.

I use the other services when they become free for a month, and after binging the spoiler-danger shows (GoT, WestWorld, etc) I cancel them, with Disney+ being the exception (I'm a Sith Lord after all).

I've yet to grow interested in ANY shows from the other services that are worth cancelling Netflix for.
Get out of here with your logic and common sense!
 
Then we clearly have different tastes or perceptions.

What is wrong with you?

Why are you harassing me and why are you obsessed about what I should or should not be watching?

Do you have to have the last word? Is that it? Is that how I will get you to leave me alone?

Here--you can have the last word. Then please leave me alone. Really---it's creepy.
And now you're lecturing me. I thought you hated that!
 
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Nobody ever said that they are mutually exclusive. There is room for one to subscribe multiple streaming services, unlike music where the content is largely the same.

It's kinda the opposite for me, where Netflix's originals have largely been uninspiring for me (though I am looking forward to Sabrina dropping next week), but they have been importing some new asian drama serials which have me intrigued. Basically, TV+'s lineup seems to have more coherence (Apple is clearly going for compelling storytelling ala HBO), while Netflix's offerings seem more haphazard.

I didn't imply mutual exclusivity; people were alluding that Apple's service is "better" than Netflix. I simply find that to be a tall order.

I also object to the comments regarding HBO and Apple's service having "better quality content". This is all subjective, obviously, but perhaps the issue is that HBO and Apple's service are targeting a specific demographic (Americans of the caucasian cultural variety).

To me at least, it seems Netflix is aiming to give EVERYONE at least a couple excellent first-party shows.

So the approaches are different, sure, but it's easy to say "hey, they put out better quality shows" when you only got 2 shows on.

Netflix has put out a LOT of high quality first-party TV shows and movies accross virtually ALL genres, including foreign markets. Combined with all the excellent shows that they rescue, the amount of quality content is HUGE.

So while I can concede that perhaps Apple's service is off to a good start, to flat out say "it's better than Netflix" without contextualizing smacks of fanboyism (for lack of a better word).
 
I don't understand you people.

Are you not able to watch a trailer and and know what kind of movie is?

Do you need to watch a Stallone movie, any Stallone movie, first to know what kind of movie it was?

Do you need to watch any Adam Sandler movie first to understand what it was about?

Did you need to watch The Passion of the Christ first to know what the movie was about or what kind of movie it was?

Do you need to watch any Jerry Bruckheimer movie or Michael Bay first movie to know what type of movie it is?

Are you really, truly, not able to tell if a movie is for you or if a movie has a particular slant by watching a trailer?

I sure can tell a lot about the type of movie or show by watching a trailer.

If you can't figure it out, then this is a "you" problem and there is zero reason to discuss my original comment, because it is clearly over your head.

And I am not trying to be mean or combative---MOST people can tell if a movie is for them by watching a trailer---you don't need to watch a movie or show first to determine if it's something you'd like.

All I can take from my the responses to my original comment is that you cannot be critical of an Apple TV plus show without receiving a lecture from people on macrumors about how you are a bad person with the wrong views.

No, you MUST watch it first and can NEVER be critical without a full screening.

I suspect much of the backlash I've received is political, and would not have come from anyone if I had made a comment about "See."

My opinions are mine and I will share them on this forum---if you don't like them, I do not care.

And to you, sir----I never said ANYTHING about the quality---that is something the other commenter made up because he couldn't support his argument otherwise.
No, Same backlash if you did that unfair practice of judging a show based on a trailer if you did that to See. See is also fabulous and people like you dont give it a fair shake.
 
No, Same backlash if you did that unfair practice of judging a show based on a trailer if you did that to See. See is also fabulous and people like you dont give it a fair shake.
"Unfair practice?"

What is wrong with you people?

You've never watched a trailer and said to yourself: "That doesn't look good," or "I don't like the subject matter of that movie; I'm not going to go see it."

If you can honestly say that, fine. Whatever.

As for See, I watched the first three episodes.

It's trash. It's laughably implausible. I dislike masturbatory prayer and prayer by cunnilingus.

Are you going to tell me I am wrong and not allowed to feel that way?

I don't like German Chocolate cake---is that okay with you?

Freaking totalitarians on this board yelling at people because they don't like certain things. SMH.
 
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"Unfair practice?"

What is wrong with you people?

You've never watched a trailer and said to yourself: "That doesn't look good," or "I don't like the subject matter of that movie; I'm not going to go see it."

That’s not what you did. You watched a trailer, concluded you probably wouldn’t like it, and then started going into threads about that show telling others that you feel lectured to.

You could’ve just moved on, but the trailer apparently hit a nerve.

Freaking totalitarians on this board yelling at people because they don't like certain things. SMH.

Freaking totalitarians in band camp yelling at me because I don’t like musical instruments. SMH.
 
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That’s not what you did. You watched a trailer, concluded you probably wouldn’t like it, and then started going into threads about that show telling others that you feel lectured to.

You could’ve just moved on, but the trailer apparently hit a nerve.



Freaking totalitarians in band camp yelling at me because I don’t like musical instruments. SMH.
What are you even talking about? I saw a clear political agenda in the trailer, like with a few other shows, and I made a sarcastic quip about Apple lecturing.

Why is this so hard to figure out?

It didn't "hit a nerve;" you say that for the purpose of making me look hysterical.

I am allowed, as far as a I can tell, to make a sarcastic quip about Apple lecturing people through their projects......on an Apple Fan site.

A quip a lot of other people agreed with or responded positively to.

Why don't you go to each of them and try to make them look hysterical?

The bottom line is I made an observation and then I left it alone and moved on, until a few other people with reading comprehension problems started piping up, a group which you are now a part of.

Thanks for jumping in---way to really enhance the discussion.

You're welcome to the last word---get it out of your system. Go ahead---slam your spoon on your high chair, cry a little and get it out.

Then we can all move on to better things.
 
What are you even talking about? I saw a clear political agenda in the trailer, like with a few other shows, and I made a sarcastic quip about Apple lecturing.

Why is this so hard to figure out?

It didn't "hit a nerve;" you say that for the purpose of making me look hysterical.

I am allowed, as far as a I can tell, to make a sarcastic quip about Apple lecturing people through their projects......on an Apple Fan site.

A quip a lot of other people agreed with or responded positively to.

Why don't you go to each of them and try to make them look hysterical?

The bottom line is I made an observation and then I left it alone and moved on, until a few other people with reading comprehension problems started piping up, a group which you are now a part of.

Thanks for jumping in---way to really enhance the discussion.

You're welcome to the last word---get it out of your system. Go ahead---slam your spoon on your high chair, cry a little and get it out.

Then we can all move on to better things.
There is no "clear political agenda" to be seen in the trailer.
 
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