Mid 2011 Mac Mini with 4Gb RAM
Activity monitor says I'm using 3.2Gb RAM with just Safari open.
8Gb seems to be the minimum to do anything else other than just web browsing with Yosemite
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First Week OS X Yosemite Adoption Rates Slightly Outpacing Mavericks
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Mid 2011 Mac Mini with 4Gb RAM
Activity monitor says I'm using 3.2Gb RAM with just Safari open.
8Gb seems to be the minimum to do anything else other than just web browsing with Yosemite
The fact that I constantly get the spinning beach ball on a 3GHz/12GB with ATI 5770 graphics makes me wonder about what's under the hood of Yosemite that is spending so much time "thinking."
As I said before, Leopard is slower than Tiger, Snow Leopard sped up Leopard, your experiences may vary with the Lions, Mavericks seemed to slow things down slightly, now Yosemite slows it down BIG TIME! UGH!
It's like a roller coaster ride only this one has a really long line just to start.
And let's not forget, a lot of these new features don't even work on a Mac PRO, so I'm questioning my upgrade now and testing a refresh of the previous OS's to see if my memory is good.
I think it's a good idea to run permissions after wards as well.
I do find Yosemite to be more stable than mavericks, even though it lags more. I'm going to increase my RAM to 8Gb, since my Mini is upgradeable.
See, Apple, THIS is why RAM should never be soldered on.
Bastards.
Two more problems with YOSEMITE that upgraders should worry about...
#1... Still not fixed is the "PLUG IN IPHONE BLUETOOTH DEATH" bug.
Yes, plugging in your iPhone with any 3rd party iPhone cable will often wipe out your Bluetooth on your Mac forcing you to reboot. And yes, I reported this multiple times, but it's not easily reproduced. But it even happened once with the official Apple iPhone cable which I ALSO get the warning, "This is not a compatible iPhone product."
THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT APPLE NEEDS TO KILL ASAP. Even their own cables are being identified as 3rd party now and bricking your Mac, but it's far worse in Yosemite. Be prepared for lots of reboots if you have a wireless keyboard & mouse.
#2... Constant keychain password issues with MAIL and iCloud. I constantly get a password warning that iCloud cannot connect and that certain features are now disabled. MAIL won't get mail from my accounts. I keep checking the passwords in KeyChain Access and they're correct. My iTunes/iCloud password seems to work in iTunes. I can access my email accounts via the web, but MAIL WILL NOT REMEMBER THEM! This problem will drive you to a drinking habit!
Everyone here keeps whining about the whiners. Well I've been reporting this stuff since the very 1st BETA and still Apple hasn't fixed these things.
My advice on Yosemite, which I do like is, upgrade if you still have a fully working Mavericks partition. Otherwise WAIT!
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THANK YOU! This is why I lambasted Apple on soldering RAM.
Yosemite is just not going to run well in the long term with that disposable appliance. Sorry.
#1... Still not fixed is the "PLUG IN IPHONE BLUETOOTH DEATH" bug.
Yes, plugging in your iPhone with any 3rd party iPhone cable will often wipe out your Bluetooth on your Mac forcing you to reboot. And yes, I reported this multiple times, but it's not easily reproduced. But it even happened once with the official Apple iPhone cable which I ALSO get the warning, "This is not a compatible iPhone product."
THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT APPLE NEEDS TO KILL ASAP. Even their own cables are being identified as 3rd party now and bricking your Mac, but it's far worse in Yosemite. Be prepared for lots of reboots if you have a wireless keyboard & mouse.
#2... Constant keychain password issues with MAIL and iCloud. I constantly get a password warning that iCloud cannot connect and that certain features are now disabled. MAIL won't get mail from my accounts. I keep checking the passwords in KeyChain Access and they're correct. My iTunes/iCloud password seems to work in iTunes. I can access my email accounts via the web, but MAIL WILL NOT REMEMBER THEM! This problem will drive you to a drinking habit!
Everyone here keeps whining about the whiners. Well I've been reporting this stuff since the very 1st BETA and still Apple hasn't fixed these things.
My advice on Yosemite, which I do like is, upgrade if you still have a fully working Mavericks partition. Otherwise WAIT!
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THANK YOU! This is why I lambasted Apple on soldering RAM.
Yosemite is just not going to run well in the long term with that disposable appliance. Sorry.
I installed Yosemite on a partition on my Mac Pro and it works great with Apple native apps and putting around the desktop but sure is butt ugly. Startup is slower too.
I have a zillion audio apps so it took me a week to test them and some I use regularly broke under Yosemite, e.g., Finale 2012 and Bias Peak Pro 7. I'm not in a position to spend hundreds of dollars to bring all my apps up to date, so I'm back to Mavericks and appreciating its good looks, compatibility and ease of use!
I have a zillion audio apps so it took me a week to test them and some I use regularly broke under Yosemite, e.g., Finale 2012 and Bias Peak Pro 7. I'm not in a position to spend hundreds of dollars to bring all my apps up to date, so I'm back to Mavericks and appreciating its good looks, compatibility and ease of use!
Correlation
Yay! For me, the whole week has provided opportunities to expand my vocabulary. Suffice to say, I'd like to know the degree of correlation between the graphs for (a) adoption rates and (b) profanity counts … http://tinyurl.com/1010uglystick
Teasers:
P****n pourquoi vous nous faites ça Apple ? La maj Mac Yosemite elle est degueuuuuuue
J'ai jamais autant rien regretté que d'avoir mis a jour ce p****n de yosemite absolument immonde... J'ai envie de pleurer
Search engine suggestions for 'yosemite looks'
… and a combination of three words that was new to me: https://twitter.com/iSomniareAude/status/524392528850997248
Yay! For me, the whole week has provided opportunities to expand my vocabulary. Suffice to say, I'd like to know the degree of correlation between the graphs for (a) adoption rates and (b) profanity counts … http://tinyurl.com/1010uglystick
Teasers:
P****n pourquoi vous nous faites ça Apple ? La maj Mac Yosemite elle est degueuuuuuue
J'ai jamais autant rien regretté que d'avoir mis a jour ce p****n de yosemite absolument immonde... J'ai envie de pleurer
– C'est si bon laid?
Search engine suggestions for 'yosemite looks'
… and a combination of three words that was new to me: https://twitter.com/iSomniareAude/status/524392528850997248
My funny reason...
I skipped Mavericks because I did not like the name, I was hoping that Apple will use some other animal name, hoping for Elephant, Polar Bears, Whale, Shark
I might be the only one with an odd reason. Mountain Lion worked so well for me, I did not feel the urge to migrate.
I finally gave up and installed this one. It seems to work very well, it is decent processor and 16Gb RAM. I wish AIX upgrades at work go half as smooth as these....
I skipped Mavericks because I did not like the name, I was hoping that Apple will use some other animal name, hoping for Elephant, Polar Bears, Whale, Shark
I might be the only one with an odd reason. Mountain Lion worked so well for me, I did not feel the urge to migrate.
I finally gave up and installed this one. It seems to work very well, it is decent processor and 16Gb RAM. I wish AIX upgrades at work go half as smooth as these....
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Adoption rate
The adoption rate is fuelled largely by Apple making it free, and pushing it through Software Update ... your update is readddyy.
Problem is: As user interface goes, Yosemite is not an upgrade. It is ugly, and barren and feels corporate and bland. I really hate using it. Feels like the Mac OS has been taken over by Microsoft.
Now to get rid of it - moving back to Mavericks.
The adoption rate is fuelled largely by Apple making it free, and pushing it through Software Update ... your update is readddyy.
Problem is: As user interface goes, Yosemite is not an upgrade. It is ugly, and barren and feels corporate and bland. I really hate using it. Feels like the Mac OS has been taken over by Microsoft.
Now to get rid of it - moving back to Mavericks.
Mac OS 1.0 runs great too. You shouldn't limit yourself to 10.6 and try out 10.5 Leopard instead. It's like Snow Leopard without the Snow. And it comes with a brave new look, new window style, new folder icon, new dock and a transparent menu bar. Not to mention all the cool new technologies, 64-bit support, resolution independence and even a new programming language, Objective-C 2.0 – you gonna love it.
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard: the Ars Technica review
I too find it very, very ugly. I have no need for Continuity and Translucent apps and will stick with Mavericks for a while. An ugly free upgrade is still an ugly upgrade
My tip for all new OS installs is to back up, wipe HD, clean install and put back what you need. This allows for a fast, clean computer every year. It's like new!
Running Mountain Lion (will probably try Yosemite after 3-4 months of bug fixes, but may just go to Mavericks and wait), but have to go into my 10.6 partition every once in a while, and it is nice (proportional & beautiful scroll bars, noticeably bump in perceived performance, no Safari stall outs + working RSS)...I don't blame anyone for using it.
Great advice for all concerned...although I don't think I can do yearly main system updates (yearly iOS updates is one thing, yearly Mac updates are something else entirely)...
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This is a very ambiguous statement. Do you mean a clean boot of Safari with no tabs open? Or have you got 30 tabs open running 300 flash ads? Honest question.
I'll try this myself later as I too have a 2011 Mini running Yosemite.
I just got off the phone with Apple Support Senior Engineer and with just OS X Yosemite running no apps, it takes about 3GB. If you seem to have excessive amount of RAM required, you may want to do the following:
1. Run Repair Disk Permissions
2. Re-install OS X Yosemite. Some are actually downloading the installer app vs the Updater.
IF this doesn't help, then call Apple Support and if you mention Yosemite, they'll route you to Yosemite Engineers. Since this is a new OS, they typically have longer wait times than normal. Instead of the typical 2 minutes or less, it's taking about 25 Minutes on hold due to the increase in phone traffic due to a new OS, so be a little patient when you call. Also, ask for a Senior Support Engineer, they are typically the folks that can better address this. But I closed everything it came up that I'm using about 3.2 GB just running Yosemite on a Late 2012 iMac and he said that's about right. Running Safari should only running a few hundred MGs per screen/tab running on top of Safari which should be using about 255MB, Kernel_task should be taking up slightly less than 1GB. iTunes takes up about 170MB, Mail (at least mine) is taking up about 54MB. With my system running Mail, iTunes, Safari with a bunch of tabs, it's using about 4GB.
I think that them adding more services like Continuity that it's using more RAM, so I don't know how much smaller they can get.
Expect Yosemite to use almost all of your RAM. It's supposed to. That's what RAM is there for.
Change your outdated assumptions about RAM. Modern operating systems try to make use of all the RAM that's provided. It's efficient and why unused RAM is wasted RAM.
Case closed.
Keeping the memory footprint small isn't a design goal. Using the RAM that's available is what they are trying to do.
It's safari open with just one tab. I have click to flash so no flash playing
I just ordered the 8Gb RAM kit from crucial
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Yosemite
I'm getting improved performance with Yosemite on my mid 2011 iMac, 2.7mhz 12 gigs. and 250 SSD.
Faster than Mavericks. I'm usually apprehensive about system updates on older machines. I had a bad experience going from 10.4 to 10.5 on an older powerbook. Slowed it up a lot. But Yosemite is clean looking, faster, and has some nice features. And Safari is now my fastest browser. I've had no stability issues. No restarts needed.
It also came on the new mac mini hooked up to my TV (8gigs). Just as as fast and no issues. I'm running some oddball stuff, Vuze, popcorn time, VLC, that you don't often see on some mac systems. Even those open source things are running cleanly. All and all I'm very satisfied.
I'm getting improved performance with Yosemite on my mid 2011 iMac, 2.7mhz 12 gigs. and 250 SSD.
Faster than Mavericks. I'm usually apprehensive about system updates on older machines. I had a bad experience going from 10.4 to 10.5 on an older powerbook. Slowed it up a lot. But Yosemite is clean looking, faster, and has some nice features. And Safari is now my fastest browser. I've had no stability issues. No restarts needed.
It also came on the new mac mini hooked up to my TV (8gigs). Just as as fast and no issues. I'm running some oddball stuff, Vuze, popcorn time, VLC, that you don't often see on some mac systems. Even those open source things are running cleanly. All and all I'm very satisfied.
I never gave much pre-release thought to what post-release traffic might be, but my pre-release guess might have been ten or fifteen percent, something like that, by now.
That low expectation was not a negative assumption. My assumption was that generally cautious customers might be simply more cautious than usual when offered something that was 'Completely New'.
Now I guess that of the percentage of users of OS X who generally upgrade soon after release, the vast majority do so without being swayed by the benefits described by Apple, and without being swayed by the pros and cons described by others. The type of rush that's associated with a natural curiosity to discover things for oneself. If so, that's a very good thing, because I expect that majority to not be swayed when expressing their opinions.
Looking at the post-release percentages for Lion and Mountain Lion, for the past week or so, I guess that for the two, combined, there's a drop of around one percent.
(It's difficult for me to tell. It the time of writing, some of the graphs fail to appear for me. No great surprise there.)
Again: I'd like to review the graphs around three weeks after release.
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The drive does came up, but had to force the finder when accessing it a few time now (USB2 or firewire 800). When the computer coming back from sleep mode, computer get sluggish like hell, have to reboot most of the time. Beach ball festival. Dunno if the install really got screw up at some point but this is barely useable over here. Beach ball festival. Never had any problems (from X.0 to X.10 except X.3.0 which was a known issue). I can only imagine it's not the same for everyone, since there would be a lot more complain.
I tried:
-repair permission
-periodic daily weekly monthly
-reset pmu
-reboot a few time
-unplug for at least 15 minutes to make a cold start
Nothing seem to solve it. I end up more often in my Windows or Debian partition lately (at least they work normally). With what Apple is doing lately, I feel like it's less likely my next machine will have an Apple logo on it
I installed 8 Gb RAM, took 5 minutes.
The computer is not faster though, so it's disappointing.
Also, when I check the activity monitor the green memory pressure bar is all the way across, not sure what this means but my Mini is using 3Gb out of the 8Gb available so I would think memory pressure would be low?
The computer is not faster though, so it's disappointing.
Also, when I check the activity monitor the green memory pressure bar is all the way across, not sure what this means but my Mini is using 3Gb out of the 8Gb available so I would think memory pressure would be low?