First Week OS X Yosemite Adoption Rates Slightly Outpacing Mavericks

[mrbyu]

I doubt this is it. Are there really many people who like the Yosemite visual changes?

You'd be surprised how many. Actually, people who are whining about the new look here on MacRumors represent an insignificantly small minority of the user base. Go out, talk to "normal" people, and you'll find that your average Joe just loves Yosemite. That was the same with iOS 7. People here were going crazy, but when I talked to my casual, non-techie friends they all praised it.

 

[brewcitywi]

Yosemite

I updated on my home computer and everything seems great. I find that the type and icons are much easier to read for me.

I'm waiting to update on my work computer...too many printers, 3rd party apps, plug-in filters, font management software...I get a little worried that something else isn't compatible. I'll update after I can test a few things.

Both my computers are late 2013 21" iMacs.

 

[AlecZ]

Besides, a rapid uptake of a new OS could also read as users being unhappy with the existing OS and wanting a change. One could conclude that Mac users are unhappy with their current OS, windows uses are mostly content.

No, you could not conclude that. From this information, you can conclude for sure that Mac users are more likely to update because a higher percentage of them did. Probability goes by percentages, and I don't believe that you're taking absolute numbers into any consideration.

There are so many factors that make the comparison pointless. I have nothing to prove either way, but looking purely at a percentage figure is effectively meaningless.

As I said, this information is useful to Apple and developers for knowing how popular the updates are. What are you directing your criticism at? Apple isn't drawing any ridiculous conclusions. Does Apple ever point to bad versions of Windows (or Android) when quoting update numbers? No, they just show how popular the updates are and say that it's good for developers, which it is. The MacRumors article doesn't draw any conclusions unless you count it guessing that the difference between Yosemite and Mavericks "may" be because Yosemite has some new iOS 8 integration, while Mavericks didn't really have anything new.

 

[UpperQuadrant]

I am not a tinkerer. It's been a long time since my PC was my hobby. My Mac is not my hobby, but a tool. Yes, I know more about computers and software than you, but that doesn't mean that I "tinker".

With every post I see from you, I see more BS.

During the update process, Mavericks decided to rename an external volume, making it unaccessible, and it was extremely difficult to discover the problem and nearly as difficult to revert that change. Attaching an external hard drive is "tinkering"? That update was significantly more than 2 to 3 clicks.

Really, you are defending something without having a clue, blaming people for Apple's mistakes, only because you have been lucky enough to have smooth upgrades so far, as if you're hoping that some Apple employees are reading this and will send you an honorary Apple sticker when you collect enough brownie points. If I had said that I don't have any computer experience, you would have said "It's always the clueless ones who have problems!" Well, sooner or later, an update will mess up your tinker-free system, and you will waste half a weekend on it (if you can fix it at all). Then let's see if you continue collecting brownie points.

I have two Thunderbolt drives connected to my iMac (one is my RAID for holding my content and the other is a Time Machine backup for my internal Fusion drive) and my upgrade went smooth a silk. Only one out of memory error message, which is surprising. Yeah, I'm seeing higher memory usage than what I'm used to seeing, but that's the only major problems that were directly related to the OS upgrade. ITunes is another story, but I'm fixing the problems with that. Yeah, iTunes app needs a lot of work on many levels, so the only thing i can do is send complaints and suggestions to Apple Feedback site and hope for the best.

Did you run Repair Disk Permissions before you ran the update? I've heard for others that that might prevent problems. I sometimes forget to run that and I wish there was an automatic way to run that before updates as part of the update.

 

[B4U]

I'm still on 10.6, LOL!

Marching on Snow Leopard as this was one of the most stable one and doesn't look like crappy Windows.

 

[teslo]

I get some graphical corruption from time to time that clears up but Yosemite is a big improvement over the previous version.

i agree totally - what's yours look like? i get gray pixel streaks down finder windows that are compiling a new list (like from switching folders in the sidebar).. i use the 1680 resolution and have automatic graphics switching disabled because i'm afraid of it (having had kernel panic problems in the past). hoping things smooth out graphically, cause everything else i've tried works perfectly.

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Marching on Snow Leopard as this was one of the most stable one and doesn't look like crappy Windows.

my experience with Lion and Mavericks kinda blew, but i feel like yosemite is more on par with snow leopard in terms of stability

 

[Eidorian]

i agree totally - what's yours look like? i get gray pixel streaks down finder windows that are compiling a new list (like from switching folders in the sidebar).. i use the 1680 resolution and have automatic graphics switching disabled because i'm afraid of it (having had kernel panic problems in the past). hoping things smooth out graphically, cause everything else i've tried works perfectly.

Finder Windows have disappearing icons but working scroll bars. Another one at boot time is horizontal bars around the progress bar and later the entire screen. It clears up but it looks like a dying GPU. Problem is that I have integrated graphics.

 

[HyperZboy]

I had to remove it from my early 2009 iMac.

It wasn't running smoothly at all, got the swirling rainbow icon too many times. Slow, 8GB of ram was just not enough to handle it.

Mavericks was ok, still a bit slow.

Mountain Lion is where I ended up, perfect for what I need it for.

The boot up time on Yosemite is HORRENDOUSLY LONG even on a Mac Pro!
This is just inexcusable.

The install time alone. Well plan a lunch date or Happy Hour and go have some fun! LOL

I know Apple doesn't care about Pro users anymore, but disabling Final Cut Pro was pretty harsh.

Forget Yahoo Messenger, won't work.

But worst of all for Pro users is that Yosemite will NOT find your BOOT DISPLAY. You can play with that Displays panel all you want and it will boot to God knows where, even a display not turned on or your HDTV!

Once again inexcusable and why I'm keeping Mavericks right now for anything mission critical.

I realize most people don't have multiple displays, but if you do, WAIT on YOSEMITE

 

[Wordman]

And uptake might be even greater if Yosemite didn't knacker the use of so many printers. Anyone seen a fix for that yet?

 

[malexandria]

If iTunes 12 is an Example, No thanks!

If the crap job they did on iTunes 12 is any indication, I'm not upgrading to Yosemite. Why do they constantly feel the need to change stuff for no reason? The UI for TV was perfectly fine, now it's a buggy mess and it no longer displays the episode descriptions unless you view it via some hideous sidebar thing. WTH were they thinking? I hate to see the direction Apple has gone in the last year, but I'm ready to bail and go back to Windows.

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Microsoft can barely get their users to take advantage of the free 8.1 upgrade.

Most people didn't even know the 8.1 upgrade existed - I know I didn't and for awhile they were charging for the 8.1 upgrade and as far as I know it wasn't free initially.

 

[TallManNY]

Hmmm

Was thinking of upgrading my 2011 to Yosemite this weekend. I've got the time and I have my windows laptop at home if anything goes wrong.
Going to check the forums for bugs. I consider waiting for the first update before installing a new OS. They always fix a bunch of bugs with that first update.

 

[hwmillerster]

I own a mid-2007 iMac. I had absolutely no problems upgrading and this is the best running system for me since 10.7 (Lion). Only quibble is getting the copy of the system. I would have liked a .dmg file that could have been downloaded on a public library PC ported to a flash drive. Five GB is too much bandwidth for my situation.

 

[TitaniumTiti]

Yosemite unstable

I have been using OS X since X.0, I must admit this is the ugliest version by far. Look like Fisher Price designed the GUI. Anyway, I can live with that, but for me this OS is unstable when:
- Connecting external HD
- Connecting/Disconnecting external display
- Going on/back from sleep
It's a Finder Force quit festival now. Seem a little less problematic after reseting the PMU, periodic cleaning maintenance, permission repair and some rebooting.

Also had to turn on "Reduce Transparency" into Accessibility Display (Radeon HD5760 not enough anymore I guess). That made a huge difference on my system performance.

For the speed, with 4Go of RAM, it's way slower then Maverick was. 15 secondes to launch the System Preferences with only Safari single tab open.

Not impresse so far by iOS8 (bad signal reception on same hardware vs iOS7) and OS X Yosemite.

You may want to hold for a few minor update X.10.2 at least.

Those new hardware are not really funny either (Mac mini with soldered RAM, even less config possible, iMac with huge display but under power video card that cannot be use as an external display in a few year). Can't we have a decent desktop with a desktop video card (there's people using OpenCL you known Apple). For the first time in many years, a hackintosh along Linux and maybe Windows 10 seem tempting... never though I would change back...

 

[UpperQuadrant]

I own a mid-2007 iMac. I had absolutely no problems upgrading and this is the best running system for me since 10.7 (Lion). Only quibble is getting the copy of the system. I would have liked a .dmg file that could have been downloaded on a public library PC ported to a flash drive. Five GB is too much bandwidth for my situation.

You can download the file and put it on a flash drive. I did that and it worked great. Just go to the AppStore App and then go to actual store to download it rather than the Updates section, it should download a dmg file that you can stick on a flash drive. I used my MBP at the local Apple store since my ISP sucks and it takes too long, but I just took my own laptop to the Apple Store and did it there. They usually have a great internet connection. Unfortunately, their demo computers aren't set up for you to do this.

 

[Mal67]

Just upgraded to Yosemite. Was surprised that it didn't take as long as I was expecting to Wireless 4g. 5gig is still a huge hit to take on our monthly download limit. I still wish you could purchase these things off the shelf. Hope it runs well as I just read about wifi dropping out intermittently with this upgrade. So far so good but this is a problem that rears its ugly head with Windows 8.1.

 

[UpperQuadrant]

I have been using OS X since X.0, I must admit this is the ugliest version by far. Look like Fisher Price designed the GUI. Anyway, I can live with that, but for me this OS is unstable when:
- Connecting external HD
- Connecting/Disconnecting external display
- Going on/back from sleep
It's a Finder Force quit festival now. Seem a little less problematic after reseting the PMU, periodic cleaning maintenance, permission repair and some rebooting.

Also had to turn on "Reduce Transparency" into Accessibility Display (Radeon HD5760 not enough anymore I guess). That made a huge difference on my system performance.

For the speed, with 4Go of RAM, it's way slower then Maverick was. 15 secondes to launch the System Preferences with only Safari single tab open.

Not impresse so far by iOS8 (bad signal reception on same hardware vs iOS7) and OS X Yosemite.

You may want to hold for a few minor update X.10.2 at least.

Those new hardware are not really funny either (Mac mini with soldered RAM, even less config possible, iMac with huge display but under power video card that cannot be use as an external display in a few year). Can't we have a decent desktop with a desktop video card (there's people using OpenCL you known Apple). For the first time in many years, a hackintosh along Linux and maybe Windows 10 seem tempting... never though I would change back...

That's weird, both my Thunderbolt drives came up, but I'm not trying to use them as a bootable drive. Is that what you are doing? Just curious.

At least the UI doesn't look like an Xbox. My biggest gripe is the icons use thin lines and it's hard to see on a 27inch screen with my eyesight.

The rest of it doesn't bother me that much all that much.

I like the pull down menus better with the slight transparency and the new font.

I just wish the windows would take on the black look when in black mode.

 

[winston1236]

I'm still on 10.6, LOL!

I'm still on snow leopard at home, my work machine is mavericks as of a week ago. I still think snow leopard is the best of all time.

 

[grahamperrin]

Chitika's full report

… according to adoption numbers released by Chitika. …

The attached contact sheet may give an indication of how much is written.

(I excluded the last three pages; they're entirely about Chitika, not about Apple or any of the operating systems.)

 

[wikiverse]

No, you could not conclude that. From this information, you can conclude for sure that Mac users are more likely to update because a higher percentage of them did. Probability goes by percentages, and I don't believe that you're taking absolute numbers into any consideration.



As I said, this information is useful to Apple and developers for knowing how popular the updates are. What are you directing your criticism at? Apple isn't drawing any ridiculous conclusions. Does Apple ever point to bad versions of Windows (or Android) when quoting update numbers? No, they just show how popular the updates are and say that it's good for developers, which it is. The MacRumors article doesn't draw any conclusions unless you count it guessing that the difference between Yosemite and Mavericks "may" be because Yosemite has some new iOS 8 integration, while Mavericks didn't really have anything new.

The comment that kicked it all off was a comparison directly between OSX and Windows 8 with a claim that OSX achieved 12% in a week, compared to 12% of windows 8 users to date.

That's what I and everyone else is directing their criticisms at.

There might be valid reasons for collecting percentage data, but comparing OSX upgrade percentages to windows is not at all meaningful or useful.

 

[MrGuder]

For reference, I have a low end 2011 Mini with 4GB of RAM that I upgraded with an SSD and its running Yosemite like a charm. I'm sure the SSD helps, but I can't understand the fellow complaining about running it on an iMac with only* 8GB of RAM.

* Seriously? Can people honestly complain about 8GB?!

Exactly, I was only relaying what that guy said on his video but after watching it again he also said he was running Yosemite and also his recording program that he uses to record his videos so maybe it was his recording/capturing program he used that was using so much ram but he made it sound like all 7 GB was used by Yosemite.

Still, I'm going to stay on Mavericks even though I do have 16 GB ram and I have an SSD. I'm still new to the Mac (within the past yr or so) and I've had such a great experience on the Mac Mini coming from Windows that Mavericks has been a great experience and I'm afraid to move on to another one so quickly.

 

[winston1236]

Exactly, I was only relaying what that guy said on his video but after watching it again he also said he was running Yosemite and also his recording program that he uses to record his videos so maybe it was his recording/capturing program he used that was using so much ram but he made it sound like all 7 GB was used by Yosemite.

Still, I'm going to stay on Mavericks even though I do have 16 GB ram and I have an SSD. I'm still new to the Mac (within the past yr or so) and I've had such a great experience on the Mac Mini coming from Windows that Mavericks has been a great experience and I'm afraid to move on to another one so quickly.

Good call, I typically stay a year behind so that when I update all the bugs are worked out.

 

[grahamperrin]

The new interface guidelines, for Yosemite, set a debatably horrible precedent: it's not only OK, it's (Apple's idea of) demonstrably good practice to ignore the titles of things.

Ignore the subject line, the title, the essence of a thing; ignore the essence of a topic.

Welcome to the future, Yosemite-lovers; onwards, upwards and overwhelmingly off-topic for evermore! But who cares? Keeping things on topic, keeping things easy to read was so last century; so last decade; so last millennium; so last year – surely being trendy, being fresh and new is more important than readability?

… …

Yea that 12.26% is part of a MUCH larger number. …

Eh, weak argument. Nearly half a billion …

12.26% of 1 Billion PCs is a lot more than 12.8% of 50 Million Macs.

It was about adoption rates, but who cares?

Wilful ignorance of the basics appears to be Apple's menu du jour for Macs, beginning with Yosemite, so WTF! Let's all cave in to majority pressure and go off-topic.

So. Who likes My Little Pony and fluffy unicorns?

On MacRumors people complain about everything...

It's mixed. And MacRumors is far move civil than some other forums that shall remain nameless.

First week bugs are also outpacing mavericks! …

I wonder … http://openradar.appspot.com (I'm not looking there, just linking from here).

… people who are whining about the new look here on MacRumors represent an insignificantly small minority …

That combination of dismissal and the word 'whining' is almost guaranteed to result in unannounced addition to a short list of people who are ignored. It's quiet, surprisingly effective and less time-consuming than complaining in a publicly visible forum.

However, with a smile … the two contributions of mrbyu to the 'looks terrible!' topic were not whining, so I'll not rush to add to that list ;-)

There is at least one very good reason to ignore 'majority/minority' arguments in relation to Apple products, and those reasons have been given repeatedly, but those reasons are off-topic so (respecting tradition, doing the right thing) I'll not repeat them here.

 

[michelepri]

Yosemite has very serious internet connection issues for some users. Maybe it's only a minority and I understand any new system might have problems for some, but what really disappointed me is Apple's complete silence on the issue despite people complaining and asking for help on hundreds or even thousands posts on different forums. No reply, nothing. I am one of the "victims". I use a computer with Windows 8 to go wifi and OSX Yosemite for everything else. Very frustrating. To the point that when my phone provider asked me to upgrade to Iphone 6 I switched to Android. At least it works well. Shame on Apple.

 

[XboxMySocks]

I had to remove it from my early 2009 iMac.

It wasn't running smoothly at all, got the swirling rainbow icon too many times. Slow, 8GB of ram was just not enough to handle it.

Mavericks was ok, still a bit slow.

Mountain Lion is where I ended up, perfect for what I need it for.

8GB of RAM is more than enough

 

[2nd4ever]

Updated Mavericks to Yosemite couple of nights ago on my mid-09, 6GB, no-SSD MacBook. Absolutely Zero Issues. Like the simpler icons and cleaner fonts. Safari 8 is a little quicker and the old Grey Favorites Bar is finally centered AND LEGIBLE.