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"There is no chance that Apple would switch back to Intel chips for its products,"

Meh. Yeah that line is ambiguous, false, and poor reporting. It all depends on the product. If apple is using an apple designed chip, manufactured by TSMC, there is nothing procluding apple from using Intel (or any other manufacturer) as a supplier if they had the same capacity. Intel has at least two businesses 1. chip design, 2. chip production.
 
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To be fair it seems like Apple poured far more money into the division than Intel did, and they had both a direct negative financial motivation (qualcomm’s cuts of the profit of the Apple devices their chips are in) and a single customer to design for (internal), both big catalysts to get the work done
Those are possibly the details of Intel's failure to execute. It's still a leadership and execution failure.
 
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Those are possibly the details of Intel's failure to execute. It's still a leadership and execution failure.
I agree somewhat but also dont underestimate the powers of a nearly unlimited budget, you can make nearly any project work if you are able and willing to throw enough funds at it, and Apple has a *lot* more cash than Intel has
 
I have a PC running Linux and this MacBook Air. They are used for different purposes so there isn't much overlap. Libreoffice runs on both.

The PC is running an AMD chip though. Intel's integrated graphics were a sad joke when I was shopping.

If this MBA still works when Apple is done supporting it, (and possibly sooner if Apple insists on jamming the AI down my throat) it will go to Linux as well.
Linux is a struggle for me but a better alternative than Windows.
Chrome OS Flex is limited but functional.
Yeah, everyone wants to shove AI up our nose.
For me, a Chromebox is better than Windows or even Mac OS.
Chrome OS can run Chrome, Android and Linux apps.
 
Back when Intel was still bigger than Apple, Steve Jobs approached Intel multiple times about developing custom silicon for Apple’s laptops and smartphones. Intel declined every time. That decision essentially made Intel irrelevant once Apple fully embraced ARM and the rest of the industry followed Apple’s lead. The then-CEO of Intel later admitted that saying no to Jobs was his biggest blunder.
Once Apple embraced ARM, ARM remained an afterthought in the computer industry. Apple was and remains a small player in computers.
 
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Mmmm. Will Intel go the way of Kodak?? I think all these investors will lose their money. Intel should look at IBM on how to survive in today's marketplace.
 
Mmmm. Will Intel go the way of Kodak?? I think all these investors will lose their money. Intel should look at IBM on how to survive in today's marketplace.
I don't think Kodak is all the way dead. Isn't IBM Lenovo?
You can still spend a bloody fortune on something called phonograph LP.
I think even the Compact Cassette is not gone.
I think Apple could bring back the iPod Touch.
(An iPhone without the phone)
Perfect solution to schools who want to outlaw smartphones.
 
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I guess this was the writing on the wall for Intel in a way. Apple switched away from them because of repeated failures to make chips that could adequately power their computers, especially laptops and all-in-ones. The later Intel macs are infamous for extreme overheating

It's a shame Apple didn't keep Intel around for the Mac Pro though. It would've enabled things like upgradeable RAM and swapping Video cards. And I think Intel's highest end are more powerful than Apple's, from what I understand

Right now it seems the Mac Pro is dead. Hasn't been updated in how long?
 
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Intel is full of smart people who knew GPUs and Mobile were coming. Intel executives didn't listen to them.

It's sad that Intel's C suite and board weren't paranoid enough.

Unlike Microsoft, Intel didn't have a deep enough bench. Microsoft recovered post-Ballmer. Intel never recovered post-Grove.
 
"There is no chance that Apple would switch back to Intel chips for its products,"

Meh. Yeah that line is ambiguous, false, and poor reporting. It all depends on the product. If apple is using an apple designed chip, manufactured by TSMC, there is nothing procluding apple from using Intel (or any other manufacturer) as a supplier if they had the same capacity. Intel has at least two businesses 1. chip design, 2. chip production.
But there IS something preventing Apple from using Intel for such purposes: Intel doesn’t have the technology or processes in place to do the job. And it will take a number of years to get Intel to that point. The company simply wasted its resources and cash for too many years rather than look to the future and keep their collective eye on the ball.
 
Meh... kinda baity for a title. Apple should really owe some gratitude to Intel, even today.
I remember the latest PowerPC days of Apple and they were in really some deep sh*t.
Switching from PPC to Intel in 2006 was WAY more necessary than switching to Apple Silicon in 2020.

I'll probably get hate for this comment, but Intel really revived Mac as a platform in 2006, which was necessary for birthing the Apple we have today.
Should probably have done it way sooner, completely skipping the G5 which was a major fail.

PowerPC CPUs manufacturers were complete amateurs and Steve Jobs couldn't wait to get rid of them.
Motorola, Freescale... it was all a big freakshow.
Steve probably lost some months of life because of fighting with them, no joke.

Intel is struggling today, but I'm sure they'll manage. Their 12gen CPUs were nice products.
Also Lunar Lake mobile CPUs are still top class for x86 even if not as good as Apple Silicon.
Actually Apple couldnt get Motorola or IBM to create a laptop PowerPC CPU with Multimedia extension (AltiVec). IBM only cares about Large Power Systems and Motorola only cared about network devices.

The Apple Intel deal gave Intel access to the AltiVec patents (patents) and got Apple a powerful CPU for their Powerbooks. Since then Intel only focused on more and more power with little to no power savings. Apple purchased PA Semi and started working its way to the M1 chips. ARM was an easy pick since Apple partnered with Acorn to create Advanced RISC Machines. Since Intel 10th gen I have been hearing "Next gen is the one! That will blow apple out of the water"
 
Meh... kinda baity for a title. Apple should really owe some gratitude to Intel, even today.
I remember the latest PowerPC days of Apple and they were in really some deep sh*t.
Switching from PPC to Intel in 2006 was WAY more necessary than switching to Apple Silicon in 2020.

I'll probably get hate for this comment, but Intel really revived Mac as a platform in 2006, which was necessary for birthing the Apple we have today.
Should probably have done it way sooner, completely skipping the G5 which was a major fail.

PowerPC CPUs manufacturers were complete amateurs and Steve Jobs couldn't wait to get rid of them.
Motorola, Freescale... it was all a big freakshow.
Steve probably lost some months of life because of fighting with them, no joke.

Intel is struggling today, but I'm sure they'll manage. Their 12gen CPUs were nice products.
Also Lunar Lake mobile CPUs are still top class for x86 even if not as good as Apple Silicon.
Imagine if Apple transitioned from PowerPC to Apple Silicon in 2006. It would be been the biggest ARM push for the industry for their Mac lineup at that time. By now, Apple would’ve made M20 series chips and its rivals (AMD, Nvdia, etc) would’ve been competing with ARM only. I think they should’ve done this instead of partnering up with Intel.
 
I think the title word begging should be changed. It’s not begging. It’s aggressive partnership-seeking and capital raising is what intel is trying to do.
That's pure sophistry. "Begging" is not inaccurate.
 
Reminds one of when Apple took an 'investment' from Microsoft. That worked out alright, right? Wouldn't it be good for Apple to have a foundry based in the home of the free and the land of the brave instead of being produced in a hotspot that could turn very hot very quickly? Heck, I am a Canadian, but even I can see the appeal of the above equations...
 
Windows doesn't run on an M Series Mac without virtualization, right?
How well does that work and it is still relevant these days?
A Mac with 16 GB RAM is going to be a clunker for both Mac OS and Windows if you have to share that RAM.
My Windows 10 PC is 10+ years old and will continue until 10/26.
It may not be my plan to get another PC at all. An iPad with keyboard is all I would need.
While I like Android, iPad would be a better fit.
How many people are willing to buy a PC and a Mac so they can run both OSs?
At the same time, Apple is not likely to build an Intel Mac just for Windows.
Running 8 iMac M4s right now with Parallels for my pharmacy software. Have done some specialized tweaking, but they run well. Granted, not a high CPU utilization Windows program. I agree that memory/CPU intensive programs probably wouldn't work with 16 GB though I don't have any intimate experience in that.

Until January 28 this year, was still running a 2003 iMac (Lampshade) on a Unix version of my software (changed vendors at that time.) Until the change, almost all of my computers (iMacs) were at least 10-12 years old and they ran the software fabulously. In my 23 years of operating the pharmacy, we have usually had to upgrade the Unix server about every 5-6 years max. The iMacs were replaced every 12 years or so.
Still have the Lampshade. It's cool and going to be the grandaddy of the still-to-be birthed Apple smart speaker. 😁
 
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The only reason I can think of is China. If Apple ever needs a backup plan in the event that Taiwan is invaded and TSMC’s production capabilities get impacted, Intel might be their only way out?
This is one the reasons TSMC is building fabs in the US. They won't produce the latest and greatest. Yet. But, eventually they will need to even if China behaves itself. They need more capacity to meet global need.

Also true from the perspective of someone married to a Taiwanese woman: A China - Taiwan conflict has the potential to make the Russia - Ukraine war look like a tea party. Both sides will lose in the event of an all out war. If China does decide to invade it might make more sense for Taiwan to reach some kind of "compromise" to avoid the island being laid to waste. Taiwan is too small and vulnerable; the destruction of life and infrastructure would be immense. From China's perspective, there is ~100 miles of open ocean between the mainland and Taiwan. If Taiwan gets western, Japanese and Australian support the PRC army will suffer huge losses before it can secure what's left of the island.
 
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