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The thermal corner of 2013 was also an eyeopener. Intel and AMD did not deliver an easy upgrade path for Apple. The Studio is an evolution of the 2013 MP and the cube.
Part of the MacBook thermal issues were problems caused by Ive and his quest for thinness. I remember the David Lee YT videos showing the I9 throttle issues. Apple could have made it thicker with better cooling. My 16inch M1 Pro is a chonky laptop especially compare to my 2018 15inch.
 
I was highly disappointed when I saw how much thicker the new MBPs are compared to the older models. But after owning one for about six months, I LOVE it. It's a powerhouse that you can actually place in your lap and work without fans and heat going bananas.

A lot of Ivy's designs are great, but in the end he was selling the art of the impossible.
My only complaint about my 16inch M1 Pro is the weight. My 15inch Lenovo feels light next to it. 4.2lbs vs 4.8 on my scale.

I should have gotten the 14inch.
 
Here's your Attention Cookie. Happy?

It's idiotic to call the M1 Mini and Air 'lackluster'. They may or may not meet your needs but neither you nor any other single person speak for anyone aside from yourselves.
Did you read the very first statement about the context of this article ?? That quote was from five years ago, when the Mac line WAS in a bad state.
 
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The Mac lineup is in a better state than a few years ago. Looking forward to the redesigned MacBook Air. It will be also very good if Apple can launch a larger iMac starting at maybe $1999. A ‘Pro’ iMac will definitely be much costlier.
 
The real question is why did they let Mac Pro and the rest of their Mac lineup go stale and rot? A trillion dollar company and they can't chew gum and walk at the same time.
Problem is, 0.8 trillion of that is iPhone/iPad, 0.1 trillion of that is services leaving the Mac (only the #3 best selling personal computer - small beer \s) as a bit of a "hobby" (probably not the correct stats, but you get the point). On the one hand, maybe Mac would do better if it had a dedicated subsidiary company - on the other hand, a lot of Apple's success comes from Mac/iDevice synergy (the M1 wouldn't exist without the iPhone).

Also, this is not all about Apple - the "conventional wisdom" in the '10s across the industry was that personal computers were a done deal (they were certainly becoming a mature technology, after 30 years of insane growth and development, and had reached the good enough point for everything up to 'casual' audio and video production) and that the future was mobile. When Tim Cook got up on stage waving an iPad, inserted foot into mouth and said "why would anybody want a PC?" (er, Tim, Macs are personal computers too!) he wasn't really going out on a limb. Remember, the whole Windows 8 debacle was partly because MS tried to make a tablet-friendly Windows.

I think some of the re-focussing on the Mac came about because it was clear that, although mobile had become huge and eaten a chunk of the PC market, people still wanted personal computers as well.

Was it the absence of Steve’s checks and balances?

Or did the hardware/software form & function balance become so refined that there was little room for surprise and delight innovation such that Jony Ive became blind to the true cause and fell victim to too much change for the sake of change?
Probably both. Jobs and Ive were one of the industry's great double acts. I suspect that Ive was seen as Steve Job's spiritual successor (even if he wasn't CEO material) and got "Peter principled" a bit.

However, that leaves the problems of the personal computer becoming a mature technology, "good enough" for the needs of the vast bulk of users. That obviously leads to temptation of "change for change's sake". Especially when you're starting with designs like the unibody MacBook Pro and (pre-retina) MacBook Air which had the potential to be timeless classics, were as thin as they needed to be and really didn't need fixing. (Hence the backsliding on the new MBP design...)

Even worse when the defining feature of the existing designs is that they were minimalist - it's very hard to make such designs more minimalist... The 2019 Mac Pro totally dumped minimalism for a retro/steampunk look, but I don't see that being taken up by newer Macs.

I've owned 5 macs and my trashcan has lasted the longest out of all of them, and I still use it as my secondary computer. It's not powerful enough for the creative apps I use for work but it paid for itself after the first freelance project I worked on. It just won't die!
I think the main problem with the trashcan, apart from the non-appearance of updated models, was not the concept itself but that Apple needed a modular tower system as well for customers who needed internal expansion.

They then slewed to the opposite extreme, dropped the trashcan and came out with the 2019 Mac Pro which featured such insane expansion potential that it priced out anybody who just wanted to add a couple of PCIe cards and a hard drive.

Now we've got the Studio - which is really the trashcan done (hopefully) better - but, whups, the 27" iMac has had to go.... We've yet to see where the Mac Pro is going with Apple Silicon, but none of the current Apple Silicon processors look like they can deliver the RAM and PCIe requirements, and a new Apple Silicon die just for the highest-end Mac Pro market would be eye-wateringly costly.

It give the impression that Apple are clinging religiously to Jobs' "four quadrant" model and are desperately avoiding any situation where there are two machines competing for the same market - which means that if you don't exactly fit into one of Apple's official customer profiles, no Mac for you. The customer profile for the Mac Pro apparently being "Making sure theres an Apple logo in the end credits for Foundation" and the Studio Ultra being "YouTube gold-play-button-holder".

Thing is, I'm pretty sure that model was intended for saving a near-bankrupt 1998 Apple Computer Inc. that was making cameras, personal organisers, printers and a hot mess of subtly different beige "Performa" boxes with names that would have made good passwords. It did let them stay in the computer business - but what transformed them into a $1TN legend was Jobs totally ignoring his own 'stick to your strengths' advice, going out on a limb and making a pocket music player.
 
However, that leaves the problems of the personal computer becoming a mature technology, "good enough" for the needs of the vast bulk of users. That obviously leads to temptation of "change for change's sake". Especially when you're starting with designs like the unibody MacBook Pro and (pre-retina) MacBook Air which had the potential to be timeless classics, were as thin as they needed to be and really didn't need fixing. (Hence the backsliding on the new MBP design...)

Even worse when the defining feature of the existing designs is that they were minimalist - it's very hard to make such designs more minimalist... The 2019 Mac Pro totally dumped minimalism for a retro/steampunk look, but I don't see that being taken up by newer Macs.

Yup, couldn't agree more. I've thought & said similar things in the past. Beavers build dams, minimalist genius designers keep adding by removing. Like so much unnecessary plastic surgery on so many famous hollywood starlets who ruin a really good thing to almost beyond recognition. Humans have to dabble and it takes a true genius (whose company he works for is not a slave to shareholder growth expectations) to know when to put the pencil down.

Thank goodness someone had the sense to help Jony move on to greener (or whiter, more likely) pastures so he can focus on earth-shattering genius output like: LoveFrom
 
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Looking back, it truly was an important day.
The mac was in a dismal state, and it took a lot to bring it back.

There are now strong machines, good lineup and a clear sense of direction with them.

is true that Jonathan Ive was instrumental to the rise of Apple with the design of the iMac, the iPhone etc.
But at the same time, he also made Apple lose direction and introduce some dubious products (pride comes before a fall).
The fischer price interface of the iOS, the Magic mouse that is charged by flipping it upside down, the trashcan Mac Pro and so on.

Things are not ideal yet. The new lineup has caused some gaps in the desktops and overlaps in laptops but it has indeed been a good change.
 
I remember how the early 2016- mid-2017 Mac lineups did not particularly impress me. Especially the 2014 Mac Mini only having dual-core processors and non-replaceable RAM. (This is why in late February 2016 I ended up buying a refurbished 2012 quad-core i7 Mac Mini with the RAM already maxed out to 16 GB; it only cost me $500 and still gave me a big boost in my Mac usage!
But I do remember being impressed by the 4th-generation MacBook Pros, even with the Touch Bar. But now the Mac line I find a lot more interesting compared to back then, what with the Apple Silicon switch, the introduction of the Mac Studio, etc.
 
They may be advancing in tech power , but the designs after jony left are mediocre at best and pig ugly at worst

I'm looking at you studio ( if i have to lol )
Whats so ugly about it?
Its a clean gray box. That is all it needs to be.
Great design is supposed to be functional first, and form follows from that. And the Mac Studio is all function.
 
They may be advancing in tech power , but the designs after jony left are mediocre at best and pig ugly at worst

I'm looking at you studio ( if i have to lol )

It looks fine to me. It’s a pro machine, not a household centerpiece like an iMac. It’s going to have cameras and storage and etc hanging off it when it’s in use. But we all see things differently.
 
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Whats so ugly about it?
Its a clean gray box. That is all it needs to be.
Great design is supposed to be functional first, and form follows from that. And the Mac Studio is all function.
So is a plug , the studio epitomes design by committee

No doubt Tim waved his magic tasteless wand on it , whatever gives us best profit is his mantra

Apple have always had incredible designs on their stuff , this studio is just lazy
 
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I think everything Apple is today owes so, so much to Jony Ive. He was still designing away in a forgotten corner of Apple when Steve Jobs came back and Jobs recognised Ive's sheer talent.
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I think a huge amount of Apple's capability and its inventiveness and its ambition is down to Ive and his department, spurred on by his greatest "customer" and critic: Steve Jobs himself. We cannot criticise Ive for giving Apple such an incredible platform to build on. And I can't wait to fire up my new Mac Studio!

The key ingredient to the success Apple had with Ive? Jobs. Sans Jobs, Ive ran amuck and almost killed Apple, butterfly keyboards being example 1.
 
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Now we've got the Studio - which is really the trashcan done (hopefully) better - but, whups, the 27" iMac has had to go.... We've yet to see where the Mac Pro is going with Apple Silicon, but none of the current Apple Silicon processors look like they can deliver the RAM and PCIe requirements, and a new Apple Silicon die just for the highest-end Mac Pro market would be eye-wateringly costly.

It give the impression that Apple are clinging religiously to Jobs' "four quadrant" model and are desperately avoiding any situation where there are two machines competing for the same market - which means that if you don't exactly fit into one of Apple's official customer profiles, no Mac for you. The customer profile for the Mac Pro apparently being "Making sure theres an Apple logo in the end credits for Foundation" and the Studio Ultra being "YouTube gold-play-button-holder".
Except that model works well. Do you remember the Mac lineup right before 1997? They had two separate lines that weren't well defined. Trying to do a model for every little niche of the market leads to a ton of marketing and operational problems and inefficiencies. Sure, Apple could make a Pro Mini that's a scaled down version of the Mac Pro but with PCIe slots that would be roughly the same as the Studio... but why? Is the market for people who want Studio power but a few slots really that big (not "do you personally want this" but is the market really there)? Of those people, how many will simply say "well, I'd like a slot but it's kind of nice to have thing so I'll buy the Studio"?

I remember shopping for a Thinkpad once and looked around at other laptops in that range... and there was one maker, I forget who, that offered a 14" screen and a model with... a 14.5" screen. You CAN segment the market too finely....
 
So is a plug , the studio epitomes design by committee

No doubt Tim waved his magic tasteless wand on it , whatever gives us best profit is his mantra

Apple have always had incredible designs on their stuff , this studio is just lazy

If it is quiet, cool, and powerful without being something that sticks out like a sore thumb (have you seen the gaudy RGB LED systems that abound with windows?) it can sit on my desk.
 
Part of the MacBook thermal issues were problems caused by Ive and his quest for thinness. I remember the David Lee YT videos showing the I9 throttle issues. Apple could have made it thicker with better cooling. My 16inch M1 Pro is a chonky laptop especially compare to my 2018 15inch.
I agree that I’ve caused a lot of needless problems with his quest for thinness at any cost on all Apple devices (and really, once you’re under, say, an inch, for a laptop, the thickness makes little practical difference), but for the record, the 2018 15” MBP is 0.61" (15.5mm) thick, and the 16” M1 MBP is 0.66" (16.8mm) thick, a difference of a mere 0.04” (1.3mm). The thickness itself isn’t really the issue in this case. (Yes, the Intel models could have had better cooling if they had another 1/8” or so of “thickness budget” to spend.)

Where they differ a bit more is that the M1 version carries its thickness all the way out to the squared off edges, while the 2018 model, like most of the other Intel models, heavily tapers off on the way to the edges, reducing the amount of space for batteries, cooling parts, etc. It feels like Jony designed the outside on the earlier models and then tasked someone else with cramming everything in, while the M1 MBPs were designed around the parts they needed in order to function fully.
 
But, Especially when it comes to Apple, upgradability never equaled longevity.
Take your 2012 MacBook Pro for example.
No matter how much RAM or storage you stuff in it post purchase, Apple is still not going to let you upgrade it past Catalina.
You’re eventually going to have to upgrade it to a new model if you want to continue to have current software support from developers, web browsers and Apple.
I mean, just look at the power Macintosh G5.
You could do all sorts of upgrades to that machine but no matter what you did, you could never get it to officially run Snow leopard.
Point being, upgradable or non-upgradable, you’re going to eventually have to purchase a new computer. The ability to shove more storage and more ram into it doesn’t really change the fact that eventually, probably after 5 to 10 years or so, you’re gonna have to get a new computer.
Apple chose the all-in-one system on chip package because it helped increase performance, and because they knew that the majority of customers don’t upgrade their storage and ram, and those that do still have to purchase new computers in the end eventually.
If upgradability was really as important as everyone says it is, you would still see 2006 Mac Pros being used in the wild. But you don’t.
I’ll take incredibly fast, cool and efficient over a small, small minority who have constant complaints that they can’t tinker, thank you very much.
You can word it anyway you want but at the end of the day the 2012 MacBook Pros and before were still way more versatile as far as upgrading components (not being forced to pay Apple’s overpriced ram and storage) and also using windows if needed on boot camp compared to what they offer today
 
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without being something that sticks out like a sore thumb

I think that's where the Studio loses me a bit.
I'm generally a function over form guy, but just "making a taller Mini" was pretty damned lazy and ugly.

It's a gray box/block -- Just rather uninspired by older Apple standards

Not a deal breaker - but I think it's fair that some folks don't love it, especially since it appears meant to be up on the desk all the time (those front ports and short default Apple Studio Display cables).
 
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