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The mac studio design is utilitarian but not ugly. I don't mind the design in that respect. The odd part about the mac studio design is that it forced a more complicated cooling solution with a dog-leg ducting to take the rising heat from the blower out the back side of the case rather than just passing it directly through the top. Not likely a big deal but it is interesting that they committed to a beefier mac mini form when the form required a more complicated internal solution.
 
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It's a gray box/block -- Just rather uninspired by older Apple standards
Playing devil's advocate, would you be happier if it had some racing stripes, or flames, or maybe some RGB LEDs? It's already the shape most likely to "fit in" (given that most workspaces / desks / rooms start off rectangular). And round is right out - if they had made it round, it would have suffered endless trashcan tie-in jokes. What would you do to make it "inspired" in a way that wouldn't significantly impact its utility?

Many of the other things they could have done to make it unique looking would probably have taken heat, as well. This almost (not quite) feels like a tacit admission that they screwed up with the trashcan Mac - "look, point taken, we're making up for it by giving you a simple no-nonsense box that will fade into the background and just do its job really well."
 


Five years ago, the Mac lineup was in a bad state. Over three years had passed since Apple redesigned the Mac Pro with a sleek but constrained "trash can" enclosure, while the iMac, MacBook Air, and Mac mini had also gone years without updates.

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A snapshot of the MacRumors Buyer's Guide from April 4, 2017:

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At the time, some users began to question whether Apple was still committed to the Mac, especially at the high end of the market.

The criticism ultimately led Apple to hold a meeting with a small group of reporters, where it apologized to pro Mac users and ensured that it remained committed to the Mac. In a rare and surprising move, Apple also pre-announced it was working on a "completely rethought" Mac Pro with a modular design, a new pro-level iMac, and a new pro display.

The meeting, which was disclosed to the public five years ago today, involved Apple's former marketing chief Phil Schiller, software engineering chief Craig Federighi, and then-VP, now-SVP of hardware engineering John Ternus. One of the reporters in the room was John Gruber, and the quotes that follow are from his Daring Fireball coverage.

Schiller's apology to Mac Pro users:Federighi's admission that Apple had designed itself into a "thermal corner":Schiller ensuring that Apple remains committed to the Mac:To say that Apple delivered on its promise is an understatement. Not only did Apple release the modular Mac Pro and the since-discontinued iMac Pro, but it also finally ditched the problematic butterfly keyboard on MacBooks, announced its game-changing transition to Apple silicon, brought back a wide array of ports on the latest MacBook Pro models, gave customers an entirely new option in the Mac Studio, and more.

Apple's roundtable discussion with reporters will forever be a turning point in the Mac's history.

Article Link: Five Years Ago Today, Apple's Uncharacteristic Apology Set the Stage for the Mac's Renaissance
Created an account just to say great article! It really made me think about where we were at that time and everything that happened since.
 
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I don't get people like you. If your still hanging to a 2010 Mac Pro when its this outdated in 2022. It must have been overkill for you in 2010. I mean why haven't you built a PC if all you care is about upgradeability cause performace is clearly not your priority.

Framework is a good laptop but its clearly has its disadvantages being modular like not using LPDDR4X/5 RAM which is more efficient and its also not as powerful as M1.

IMO, do not get the 2019 Mac Pro what a waste money. Investing in a platfrom that will not be supported in the future is poor planning. As for the 16" Intel, again the latest 12th gen chips put that laptop to shame. Best to get a Windows laptop with 12th gen and VM macOS.
I didn't buy the 2010 Mac Pro new - I bought it about 4 years ago. In terms of Mac computers, it was a very different, more depressing product lineup a few years ago.

Apple Silicon is great. Even the M1 can outperform my 12 Core XEON machine (in certain tasks - definitely not in GPU performance). But that doesn't mean that my machine performs day-to-day tasks poorly or slowly. It works for what I use it for. And it gives me the options I want that may not pertain to just performance! I can plug in many monitors, many USB peripherals, adapt with PCIe, use internal 3.5" Drives/Blu Ray. Dual boot Windows and MacOS - or even triple boot with Linux, Windows and macOS. Heck, it was a great option for using VM's as well because you could add so much RAM! With the Mac Studio you get the performance, but you do not get the flexibility. Sometimes flexibility is worth using older hardware without all the bells and whistles.

For me to retire my Mac Pro and get a Mac that meets all my needs and requirements that my cMP does now - I need to purchase or build a NAS, buy external enclosures for my Blu Ray player, and purchase multiple USB dongles and adapters.
 
From the Daring Fireball piece:

"Apple bet on a dual-GPU design (multiple smaller GPUs, with “pro”-level performance coming from parallel processing) but the industry has gone largely in the other direction (machines with one big GPU)."

Wonder if this excursion taught them anything that enabled M1 Ultra, and very likely future multiple SOCs?
 
But, Especially when it comes to Apple, upgradability never equaled longevity.
Take your 2012 MacBook Pro for example.
No matter how much RAM or storage you stuff in it post purchase, Apple is still not going to let you upgrade it past Catalina.
You’re eventually going to have to upgrade it to a new model if you want to continue to have current software support from developers, web browsers and Apple.
I mean, just look at the power Macintosh G5.
You could do all sorts of upgrades to that machine but no matter what you did, you could never get it to officially run Snow leopard.
Point being, upgradable or non-upgradable, you’re going to eventually have to purchase a new computer. The ability to shove more storage and more ram into it doesn’t really change the fact that eventually, probably after 5 to 10 years or so, you’re gonna have to get a new computer.
Apple chose the all-in-one system on chip package because it helped increase performance, and because they knew that the majority of customers don’t upgrade their storage and ram, and those that do still have to purchase new computers in the end eventually.
If upgradability was really as important as everyone says it is, you would still see 2006 Mac Pros being used in the wild. But you don’t.
I’ll take incredibly fast, cool and efficient over a small, small minority who have constant complaints that they can’t tinker, thank you very much.
Cough Cough - there are many of us on these forums using the 2009-2012 Mac Pro's.
 
Cough Cough - there are many of us on these forums using the 2009-2012 Mac Pro's.

I think there is an inflection point on user replaceability where longevity is enhanced.

On laptops, user replaceability of components will always be limited lest we want to go back to not particularly portable physical forms. Basically no one makes this product for the consumer market in 2022.

For desktops, there is a gradient that dependent on form factor. The tower is the one place where lifespan extending user replaceability is expected.
 
The mac studio design is utilitarian but not ugly. I don't mind the design in that respect. The odd part about the mac studio design is that it forced a more complicated cooling solution with a dog-leg ducting to take the rising heat from the blower out the back side of the case rather than just passing it directly through the top. Not likely a big deal but it is interesting that they committed to a beefier mac mini form when the form required a more complicated internal solution.

Top exhaust would also allow stuff to fall into the chassis, not good...?
 
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Oh That new MacBook Air is coming, and white bezels Will probably be included.
The real question is… how much will it weigh?
If they can get it right around the 12 inch MacBook level of lightness, it will be a perfect machine.
More important question, what’s wrong with the Mac mini?

I agree on the Air - if it's 2.25 lbs or less I think it will be great (note the 12.9" ipad pro is 1.5lbs and the 12" Macbook is 2lbs). The current MBA seems to have put on some pandemic weight.

The mini is wonderful, but design-wise its also chubby. When you think about how small the M1 is (ie. ipad pro) and multiport dongles are, the box is easily 2-3x the volume it should be.
 
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Ive's design company still does the industrial design for Apple products.
My guess is with explicit instructions to allow room for thermals and other aspects of the design required to meet the engineers needs. On a short leash.
 
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My guess is with explicit instructions to allow room for thermals and other aspects of the design required to meet the engineers needs. On a short leash.
Yep, I'm guessing that as an outside consultant, he's no longer in a position to dictate all the parameters of the machines.
 
The majority of folks buying things from Apple are buying non-Mac things. Those who ARE buying Mac things are, by a large margin, buying laptop Mac things.

Neither of these quite substantial groups care much about a non-mobile, expensive system well beyond their performance needs or budget.
And yet Mac has and continues to outpace iPad in revenue since it’s inception. If you think that Mac is not important to the Apple ecosystem, you haven’t been paying attention.
 
And yet Mac has and continues to outpace iPad in revenue since it’s inception. If you think that Mac is not important to the Apple ecosystem, you haven’t been paying attention.
The point was that most people don’t want Macs and of those that want Macs, most don’t want a desktop of any kind. So, while the Studio has buzz among a lot of folks (many who say they’ll never buy it), it falls flat with 80% or more of the customers that will buy a Mac from Apple this year.

The Mac is important to Apple primarily as a way for developers to create apps for iOS. And, secondarily, as a platform for Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro. Beyond that, Apple’s more than happy to sell Macs to folks that aren’t developers, a dollar is a dollar. :) And, revenue isn’t “unit sales”. 20 million Macs a year is nice, 20 million iPads a quarter is nicer!
 
Playing devil's advocate, would you be happier if it had some racing stripes, or flames, or maybe some RGB LEDs? It's already the shape most likely to "fit in" (given that most workspaces / desks / rooms start off rectangular). And round is right out - if they had made it round, it would have suffered endless trashcan tie-in jokes. What would you do to make it "inspired" in a way that wouldn't significantly impact its utility?

Many of the other things they could have done to make it unique looking would probably have taken heat, as well. This almost (not quite) feels like a tacit admission that they screwed up with the trashcan Mac - "look, point taken, we're making up for it by giving you a simple no-nonsense box that will fade into the background and just do its job really well."
For me personally, the simplistic and clean design is part of the reason I like Apple Products. As a PC gamer, I loathe the fact that everything built for "gamers" has to look like a stealth fighter with RGBs. It looks horrible.

It's also how I feel about vehicles - for example, a Camry TRD versus Camry XLE V6. I'd much rather have the elegant sleeper XLE V6, versus trying to make my family sedan look like a Fast and Furious movie just because it has a bigger engine in it.
 
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I didn't buy the 2010 Mac Pro new - I bought it about 4 years ago. In terms of Mac computers, it was a very different, more depressing product lineup a few years ago.

Apple Silicon is great. Even the M1 can outperform my 12 Core XEON machine (in certain tasks - definitely not in GPU performance). But that doesn't mean that my machine performs day-to-day tasks poorly or slowly. It works for what I use it for. And it gives me the options I want that may not pertain to just performance! I can plug in many monitors, many USB peripherals, adapt with PCIe, use internal 3.5" Drives/Blu Ray. Dual boot Windows and MacOS - or even triple boot with Linux, Windows and macOS. Heck, it was a great option for using VM's as well because you could add so much RAM! With the Mac Studio you get the performance, but you do not get the flexibility. Sometimes flexibility is worth using older hardware without all the bells and whistles.

For me to retire my Mac Pro and get a Mac that meets all my needs and requirements that my cMP does now - I need to purchase or build a NAS, buy external enclosures for my Blu Ray player, and purchase multiple USB dongles and adapters.
Agree. My solution for my setup is either 14"/16" MBP and PC for all the advantages you have described.

I have chosen M1 Macbook as my laptop cause efficiency is king for me in laptops.
 
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False.






 
Good for them for apologizing, macs are in a way better state now than in the 2016-2020 era, even if it’s still not perfect
No GOOD on Professionals whom paid their hard earned dollars and hard earned sweat, pain and tears for suffering on using what otherwise looked cute but ran like junk in a workstation.

GOOD on them for shouting loud enough to GET Apple to not only respond but also apologize and DO something better!!!
 

4U is correct because his post was about unit sales as a proxy for customer penetration.

You're arguing revenues, which is distorted by the much higher revenue per unit that macs sell for. iPads seem to outsell Macs three to one. I can't easily find device sales of Mac pros, I would suspect that iPads would outsell them more than ten to one. It's not that Mac is not important. It's just that most people engaged with apple are, as 4U says, not buying mac things.
 
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I don't know about renaissance. They're at the exact inversion of where they were before, when people wanted Apple for the software and put up with mediocre hardware performance.

There are just so many bugs. And the UI has gone from great to pretty bad, IMO. So many crappy first party apps that should be an embarrassment to them.

It's difficult to understand how a company as large as Apple ships some of the built-in apps they do when some 1-person indie developers ship higher quality apps.

My latest pet peeve is things not working and just having no error message whatsoever.

If Apple notes can't sync because Apple's server is down, Apple Notes (the app) just crashes as it tries to sync. No error message.

And I'll keep repeating it. This has never been fixed:


Apple used to the iLife platform, the iSync platform, where devices from so many manufacturers worked beautifully with the Mac.

And now look at the lengths people go to, including me, to get an Apple iPhone to connect correctly to an Apple Mac.

I remember the first Intel Mac ad. It said something about imagine what an Intel chip could do in a Mac.

Well, they've now got even better hardware (although the notch . . . lack of USB A in the laptops), but the software quality just isn't good. Imagine what Apple Silicon could do if they cared about software quality as much as their chips.
 
Ironically, 5 years later I now own m1 macbook, an ipad, an r7 hackintosh, and a samsung galaxy fold 3. Sorry apple, your phones are so far behind samsung, I won't convert any time soon, even when app developers tell me to.
 
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I just wonder, when do we get apology from Apple, about vendor locked RAM and storage?

And forgetting the most ecological and economical way to use GPU power: eGPU. Turned on only when needed. Like the expansion of iGPU/dGPU.

Jeesh, just noticed that they have ruined Time Machine support in Apple Mail.

What next...?
Can somebody stop this Renaissance, please...?
 
There really was a dark period during the butterfly keyboard era, when I kept using an older MacBook Air simply because Apple did not make a laptop with a good keyboard. Now it's one hit after another. The M-series chip has been everything they promised. What I hope for now is some more followthrough on the OS side.
 
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Ironically, 5 years later I now own m1 macbook, an ipad, an r7 hackintosh, and a samsung galaxy fold 3. Sorry apple, your phones are so far behind samsung, I won't convert any time soon, even when app developers tell me to.
Why would an App developer tell someone to convert? If you’ve already got their app it seems they’d accept that as a ‘win’.
 
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