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My 2012 MBP is doing fine as well :D Of course gets hot sometimes and battery is dead but for my needs... :)
Can you open any web pages or install software?

My core 2 duo mini server can’t open web pages. And I can’t install any newer OS because apple’s webpage won’t let me.

My iPad 1st gen runs great except it no longer works with an Apple account because it can’t handle 2 factor authentication and that means you can’t log in anymore AND you can’t logout!!!
 
What happens if they go smaller or smaller? Can they do the same "distance" in chips from 5nm down to 3nm, vs their next roadmap which looks like only down to 1.4nm? I'm not sure the next few years would be as "exponential" in leaps as M1-> M5. It will max out sooner than later, regarding the speed improvement and power and efficiency.

"Over the next five years, Apple silicon chip technology will continue to evolve. Apple supplier TSMC is already working on 2nm chips that could make an appearance as soon as 2026, offering a 10 to 15 percent speed improvement and a 25 to 30 percent power reduction. 1.4nm chips could follow as soon as 2028 for even more power and efficiency."
 
What happens if they go smaller or smaller? Can they do the same "distance" in chips from 5nm down to 3nm, vs their next roadmap which looks like only down to 1.4nm? I'm not sure the next few years would be as "exponential" in leaps as M1-> M5. It will max out sooner than later, regarding the speed improvement and power and efficiency.

"Over the next five years, Apple silicon chip technology will continue to evolve. Apple supplier TSMC is already working on 2nm chips that could make an appearance as soon as 2026, offering a 10 to 15 percent speed improvement and a 25 to 30 percent power reduction. 1.4nm chips could follow as soon as 2028 for even more power and efficiency."

It's unfortunate that Apple went with the name "Apple silicon" since moving away from silicon as a material may be the next big leap. Silicon Valley would also need to be renamed. 🤣
 
It's unfortunate that Apple went with the name "Apple silicon" since moving away from silicon as a material may be the next big leap. Silicon Valley would also need to be renamed. 🤣
Moving away from silicon would be such a big change (industry wide, not just Apple) that it would rightfully get a very different name. Such a change (which I don't foresee) would be orders of magnitude bigger a change than going from Intel to ARM. I don't know it would be faster or not since I haven't been hearing realistic talk about non-silicon general use computers, but it sure would be way different.
 
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It's unfortunate that Apple went with the name "Apple silicon" since moving away from silicon as a material may be the next big leap. Silicon Valley would also need to be renamed. 🤣
From Gemini, I didn't know this either.

Nanometer Node vs. Actual Distance​

The "nanometer" rating of a process node no longer corresponds to any single physical dimension on the chip, such as the length of the gate or the distance between transistors.
  • In a 5nm or 3nm chip, the actual distance between critical circuit components (like the "metal pitch" or the "contacted poly pitch") is often in the tens of nanometers. For instance, the tightest metal pitch in a major 5nm process is around 28-30 nm, and in a 3nm process, it's approximately 22-24 nm.


  • The "3nm" designation simply tells you that this technology is the successor to the 5nm technology, offering a generational jump in capability.

🚀 Comparison of 5nm vs. 3nm Technology​

The transition from a 5nm node to a 3nm node provides three main benefits that are crucial for modern computing:

Feature5nm Chip Technology3nm Chip Technology (Newer)
Performance GainBase speed10-20% faster at the same power level
Power EfficiencyStandard power consumption25-45% lower power consumption at the same speed
Transistor DensityLower densityUp to 1.7x higher density (more transistors in the same area)
Transistor ArchitecturePrimarily FinFET (Fin Field-Effect Transistor)Often transitions to newer Gate-All-Around FET (GAAFET) or Nanosheet designs
 
I am still on the M2 chip & M2 Max chips for my workloads everyday. I’ve got no complaints. Everything is buttery fluid. I am so scared to update to iPadOS 26 & macOS Tahoe because of performance hits.
 
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Moving away from silicon would be such a big change (industry wide, not just Apple) that it would rightfully get a very different name. Such a change (which I don't foresee) would be orders of magnitude bigger a change than going from Intel to ARM. I don't know it would be faster or not since I haven't been hearing realistic talk about non-silicon general use computers, but it sure would be way different.

It's already happening. Graphene.

 
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It's already happening. Graphene.

I still say it will be a good while before something like graphene replaces silicon. At best in the next several years it may show up more for specialized electronics that work in conjunction with silicon. And as I said, when it or something else does replace silicon it will be a WAY bigger change for Apple and everyone else than merely moving from Intel to their own silicon.
 
My M1 Mac Mini (16GB, 1TB) is still going strong running macOS Tahoe and showing no obvious signs of slowing down or struggling that would push me towards considering an upgrade. It replaced a Core i5 mid 2011 Mac Mini so felt like a rocket ship by comparison when I got it.

I'm a M1 mini (16, 512) user and have been wondering if should update the OS to Tahoe. Is everything smooth? Just wanted to make sure.
 


Today marks the fifth anniversary of the Apple silicon chip that replaced Intel chips in Apple's Mac lineup. The first Apple silicon chip, the M1, was unveiled on November 10, 2020. The M1 debuted in the MacBook Air, Mac mini, and 13-inch MacBook Pro.

m1-chip-slide.jpg

The M1 chip was impressive when it launched, featuring the "world's fastest CPU core" and industry-leading performance per watt, and it's only improved since then. We've had five total generations of Apple silicon chips, with the M5 unveiled in the 14-inch MacBook Pro just last month.

Here's how the M5 measures up to the M1, per Apple's M5 specs:
  • 6x faster CPU/GPU performance
  • 6x faster AI performance
  • 7.7x faster AI video processing
  • 6.8x faster 3D rendering
  • 2.6x faster gaming performance
  • 2.1x faster code compiling
Geekbench comparison scores:
  • M1 single-core - 2,320
  • M5 single-core - 4,263
  • M1 multi-core - 8,175
  • M5 multi-core - 17,862
  • M1 Metal - 33,041
  • M5 Metal - 75,637
Both CPU and GPU performance have increased significantly over the past five years, and Apple has boosted AI and gaming performance too with add-ons like hardware-accelerated ray tracing and an ever-improving Neural Engine.

M1 ChipM5 Chip
Made with TSMC's 5nm process (N5)Made TSMC's third-generation 3nm process (N3P)
Based on A14 Bionic Pro chip from iPhone 12Based on A19 Pro chip from iPhone 17 Pro
8-core CPU, 8-core GPU10-core CPU, 10-core GPU
3.2 GHz CPU clock speed4.61 GHz CPU clock speed
No integrated Neural AcceleratorsIntegrated Neural Accelerator in every GPU core
No ray tracing engineThird-generation ray tracing engine
No dynamic cachingSecond-generation dynamic caching
Support for up to 16GB unified memorySupport for up to 32GB unified memory
68.25 GB/s unified memory bandwidth153 GB/s unified memory bandwidth


Apple sold Apple silicon Macs alongside Intel Macs for three years, but phased out the final Intel Mac in June 2023 when the 2019 Mac Pro was discontinued. Now all of Apple's devices have Apple chips, and we're even hitting the end of the road for Intel Mac software support. Intel Macs won't get software updates after macOS Tahoe.

Over the next five years, Apple silicon chip technology will continue to evolve. Apple supplier TSMC is already working on 2nm chips that could make an appearance as soon as 2026, offering a 10 to 15 percent speed improvement and a 25 to 30 percent power reduction. 1.4nm chips could follow as soon as 2028 for even more power and efficiency.

Article Link: Five Years of Apple Silicon: M1 to M5 Performance Comparison
No doubt there are some folks that actually need all the speed. But for the vast majority of folks there's a point where it simply becomes moot. If they could make me type faster, or think faster. But I'm usually the bottleneck.
 
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I'm a M1 mini (16, 512) user and have been wondering if should update the OS to Tahoe. Is everything smooth? Just wanted to make sure.
I suppose it depends on what you do but for me I barely notice I moved to Tahoe. The liquid glass stuff is way more subtle than the iPhone and in general things just run as they did.
 
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The keynote was so exciting. Had a fairly new MacBook Pro (intel) that I traded in that brought the M1 MBA down to $149. With that  card 12 month thing, that made it $12.42 a month for 12 months. Was amazing. I remember the morning UPS dropped it off.
And like many of my other sentimental apple products, I wish I'd kept it.

Don’t you just love it when the courier passes you your new shiny gadget haha
 
No doubt there are some folks that actually need all the speed. But for the vast majority of folks there's a point where it simply becomes moot. If they could make me type faster, or think faster. But I'm usually the bottleneck.

Yes I could do with a ram upgrade in my brain to be honest 😂
 
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The performance of Apple Silicon is very impressive, but it is not the reason I will be upgrading to new systems as a main driver, as the performance of the M1 Max is still very strong. I am looking for the following:

- Double the storage/ram for the same price (I know good luck...lol...)...and fast storage
- OLED in Macbook Pro
- Cellular in the MacBook lineup
- FaceID (what is taking so long!!!!)
- > 32" Studio Display or iMac with 120hz and at least mini-led
- Touchscreen (although not a need but it will be cool)
- Thinner 14" MBP (I actually wouldn't mind no HDMI for another Thunderbolt port but I know others would)
- If the new monitors require Thunderbolt 5 which they likely will, I will probably upgrade for that
- Wifi 7 and Bluetooth 6
- Would also love a new take on an ultraportable with an OLED screen ala the old 12" Macbook

* RAM and storage limits (some of which were my fault since I bought enough, but not enough of course) will get me to upgrade way before the performance of the M1/M2 lineup feels not performant enough.

That said, Apple Silicon has been AMAZING and the overall best thing for the Mac in a very long time.
 
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My biggest Apple Silicon upgrade was when I went from M1 to M2 Max. Second greatest was connecting a 4K 120Hz display to the M2 Max -- now that made a difference for my work. My next planned Apple Silicon upgrade will be going "Retina PPI" on the M2 Max by switching to Apple's Studio Display next year, 27" 5K 120Hz. Voila, upgrade path charted.
 
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It's still unbelievable how good these Macs have been and for how long they're lasting. My M1 Pro still handles almost anything thrown at it very well. Only reason I want to upgrade is to speed up some my video editing process and get a machine with more RAM and internal storage.
 
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I'm still using my M1 MBA base with 16GB RAM daily. I've been stuck at 81% battery health for seemingly two years, but besides that, there's zero reason for me to upgrade for at least another 2-3 years.
 
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This post feels like an Apple marketing stunt to prompt M1 owners to upgrade in the wake of Liquid Glass as a tactic to slow down older Apple Silicon with unnecessary ******** 3D effects.
 
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