Loge said:
Agreed.. Apple usually do not use super-technical details in their names.
Examples:
Superdrive / DVD-RW
Combodrive /CD-RW/DVD-R
iPod / Sony XAZ84723 ZZ7 MP3
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Agreed.. Apple usually do not use super-technical details in their names.
Examples:
Superdrive / DVD-RW
Combodrive /CD-RW/DVD-R
iPod / Sony XAZ84723 ZZ7 MP3
You don't. You play on shuffle and enjoy what you get. Just like a good chunk of full-size iPod users do most of the time anyway ...Rower_CPU said:
You don't.
You don't. A device with this amount of memory would get synced up fairly often. Without the screen backlight etc, and with a larger battery replacing the volume of those components, it should run between sync's fairly easily.
How do you tell that the average walkman was running out of batteries? Your music would either stop or start sounding like Johnny Cash singing Avril Lavigne tunes.
Thought experiment:
How do you tell what bitrate a song is on your iPod? How do you change the genre of a song on your iPod?
*click-click-click-click-click-click-click-click-click-click* (sound of forward-button. Has worked for ages.)Rower_CPU said:
I'm one of those who probably wouldn't change my playlist that often.. I'd soon know that song 68 is Mighty Joe Moon by Grant Lee Buffalo, and song 125 is Girl Song by 90 Pound Wuss..
A randomization would work well for many people, I guess..
No can do..
My new-years-wish: A bright white LED!
- No light - Stop/Paused
- Constand light - Play
- Blinking - Low Battery
- S - O - S morse code (yeah right!
): File corrupt
sushi said:
Where can I find it? I'd prefer to hear it from the "horse's mouth" than relying on what my memory is serving...
sushi said:
Okay, I went back and listened to the speech he gave at MWSF 2004 where he introduced the iPod mini. He neither dismisses all flash-based MP3 players for getting put in a drawer and not used, not does he dismiss 64-128 MB flash players.
What he does do is separate the flash-based player market into two portions: the low-end (under $100), and the high-end (between $100 and $200). And he does deride the low-end flash players for getting put in a drawer and not used. He avoids mentioning memory capacity until he starts talking about the 256 MB high-end flash players in preparation for announcing the iPod mini.
Here are the (IMO) pertinent quotes:
"What market share does this give us, in terms of all MP3 players, even the little $50 ones that people buy and never use cuz they only hold, you know, 3 songs..."
"...even including the little $50 jobs..."
"...we look at as the high-end flash market, ... these are flash players that sell between $100 and $200 dollars..."
"...low-end flash market, flash players that sell under $100..."
"...the under $100 flash players get usually put in a drawer and not used because they really only hold 15 songs..."
"...the high-end flash players, if you pay $200, they hold about 60 songs..."
"...if you pay close to $100, they hold 30 songs, and people either do one of two things: they either get a new memory card for it, right?, and spend usually over 200 bucks total to bring it up to 60 songs, or they put it in the drawer and don't use it..."
So, the iPod mini was introduced to go after the high-end flash market. He specifically shows a picture of a Rio and talks about these players with 256 MB, 60 songs, 0.8 - 1.2 inches thickness, $199 price.
His announced market share figures (for entire MP3 player market) were:
31% - iPod
31% - high-end flash players
31% - low-end flash players
7% - other (mostly other HD players that the iPod was in the process of... "eliminating")
Given that the iPod now has 58.6% of the total market, when we last checked, (and note this is less than a year after the iPod mini was introduced), it would seem Apple has been pretty successful in going after that 31% high-end flash-based portion.
If Steve does announce they are now going after the low-end flash player market, it will be quite interesting to hear his argument, and of course what kind of device they'll produce to address it.
There will, of course, be plenty of whiners ("it's too expensive", "it's too big", "it's too small", "it has no card slot", "it has no screen", "it has a screen") (to be fair, plenty of supporters as well) no matter what Steve may (or may not) announce, but let's hope the general buying public does not let the nay-sayers influence their purchasing decision.
All this iPod Micro, Flash iPod and Tiny iPod business is rather funny... I actually posted a something on my blog back in september and a thread on Mac-forums.com entitled "Apple's possible new baby?"
blog link
And only recently have people from all over the show, be making up digital models, and the funny thing, non of them are anything like the one i was thinking about.
blog link 2
So has some one been listening?
blog link
And only recently have people from all over the show, be making up digital models, and the funny thing, non of them are anything like the one i was thinking about.
blog link 2
So has some one been listening?
dejo said:
I should like to point out that people on this list take what Steve Jobs says during keynote addresses as the word of God in what Apple's going to do. As if it's set in stone, or it contains a hidden easter egg about what the future holds.
Jobs is a master marketer. The key rule in marketing is to promote what you have NOW. Not what you might have in a year.
The iPod mini was coming out and it's direct competition was low end HD based players and flash players (the cheapo under $100 ones). Not because they really were competition, but because the consumer may very well consider those over the iPod mini because of price.
Jobs had to pitch the mini as the better solution and why someone shouldn't just buy a player on the price.
If Apple does release a flash based player that's at the $100 range, what will Steve say? He won't make a reference to his previous comments, that's for sure. But I'm willing to bet he'll say something along the lines of, "We looked at this market a long time, and realized nobody in this range of doing it right. So we created a device that does it right."
Steve's keynote messages for a while has been "They're doing it wrong, let me show you how to do it right."
theFly said:
Actually, Steve said the iPod mini did not go for the cheapo flash-players, but for the high-end flash-players.
He as actually never said that they're going for the low-end market. This player will be the first. (if the rumor is true.)
Of course, for some, the low-end flash-players might compete against the iPods - but most people who can afford an iPod will get an iPod if they are interested in an iPod, regardless of price.
Thanks for the recap.dejo said:
The upper limit probably comes from folks interpreting his comments when he directly compares a 256MB model to the iPod mini.
Since 256MB is a high end flash player, one could easily deduce/infer that he is referring to flash players smaller than 256MB as the low end flash market, hense the 64-128MB range that we see used a lot. However, at the time of his introduction, there were 32MB models available. And I believe I remember seeing a 16MB version.
For sure 32 and 64MB models would have been considered low end at the time. The 128MB version is the question.
What I am trying to get at, is that while he stratified the market by $, he was really doing it by capacity but only using a $ figure to do it.
Yes it will!dejo said:
My guess, since he went with a dollar figure the first time, is that he will somehow adjust that figure for current market conditions.
So low end could mean a flash player that is small and light enough that you can hang on a neck cord. Maybe one without an expansion memory slot such as an SD memory slot.
Or low end may mean a flash player with no recording capability, or FM tuner.
Or he may restratify the flash player market into three layers: High, midlevel and low.
But as you say, it will be quite interesting to hear his argument for sure.
Of course!dejo said:
Sushi
If those pics were real, Apple legal would have been all over that site like flies on *****.
-kevin
-kevin
And what is this?
So, Amazon.com isn't exactly an Apple rumor site, but you have to wonder What The Fruitcake this is. Most probably it's just a Photoshopped version of a 3Gen iPod (though it's kinda odd they'd do that).
Link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...ref=sr_1_16/102-1858355-9421743?v=glance&s=pc
So, Amazon.com isn't exactly an Apple rumor site, but you have to wonder What The Fruitcake this is. Most probably it's just a Photoshopped version of a 3Gen iPod (though it's kinda odd they'd do that).
Link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...ref=sr_1_16/102-1858355-9421743?v=glance&s=pc
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dotnina said:
I can't believe this is on a commercial site. Surely it isn't the ipod flash (no click wheel) but why the hell did they do that?
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dotnina said:
Underneath the picture is a link that says "Share your own customer images". So my guess would be that this is not an Apple-supplied image but rather one submitted by some customer. Pretty strange looking. Especially with the four buttons separate from the click wheel. That's so 3G.
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dejo said:
Yeah, Amazon has a new feature that lets customers upload images of the product in action. Customers have uploaded various pics for the iPod Mini, for example. Amazon keeps the "real" image of the product on the main page, though. Anyway, I don't think this is actually a leak, but it's just kind of curious to see a screenless iPod in the midst of wild screenless iPod speculation.
So, about the Flash ... if there's no screen, the only buttons you'd need are play / pause and advance / go back, right. You wouldn't need a menu or a center button. So, that considered, do you think Apple will stick with the click wheel? The only purpose of a wheel would be to advance through songs -- nice, but kind of unnecessary if you don't have a display to show you how far you've advanced through the song.
Do you think Apple would abandon the click wheel in the Flash? It seems to be the hallmark of the iPod, but it also seems like overkill if there's no screen.
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dotnina said:Yeah, Amazon has a new feature that lets customers upload images of the product in action. Customers have uploaded various pics for the iPod Mini, for example. Amazon keeps the "real" image of the product on the main page, though. Anyway, I don't think this is actually a leak, but it's just kind of curious to see a screenless iPod in the midst of wild screenless iPod speculation.
So, about the Flash ... if there's no screen, the only buttons you'd need are play / pause and advance / go back, right. You wouldn't need a menu or a center button. So, that considered, do you think Apple will stick with the click wheel? The only purpose of a wheel would be to advance through songs -- nice, but kind of unnecessary if you don't have a display to show you how far you've advanced through the song.
Do you think Apple would abandon the click wheel in the Flash? It seems to be the hallmark of the iPod, but it also seems like overkill if there's no screen.
i think that picture came up few months ago (perhaps even exactly year ago before the mini was announced)
it is a 3g ipod with the top chopped off (in a very stupid "causing-discussions-on-mac-rumor-sites' manner
)perhaps somebody else remember the discussions back then as well...
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What I think (not that it matters...)
This is how I think the ipod flash or whatever it'll be called will work out. I tend to think that it'll keep the current squared off design form factor. (especially with the new imac looking the way it does now) It'll definitely have a screen too, because even if you only have to worry about navigating 100 or 200 songs that's probably too many for most to remember where they are in their playlist. I sort of have two visions of how it might turn out: 1. I imagine an ipod mini cut in half with the screen on one side and the scroll wheel on the back. You'd work the scroll wheel "blindly" with your index finger while holding the ipodflash. I think the scroll wheel is an intuitive enough design to work without looking at what you're doing. 2. A similar squared form factor, but instead of the scroll wheel there would be a strip on the "index finger" side that would work like the scroll wheel to navigate the list. You'd simply slide your index finger up or down to navigate lists and use buttons on the "thumb side" to select stuff. Of course these ideas are sort of right-handed centric since I'm right handed, but 90% of the population can't be all wrong. And leftys could probably work with them too. Granted, when it's unveiled it'll be something so much cooler and easier to use than what I've been thinking about it'll shock me but that's why those industrial design people get paid the big bucks and i just sit here and ponder these things.
This is how I think the ipod flash or whatever it'll be called will work out. I tend to think that it'll keep the current squared off design form factor. (especially with the new imac looking the way it does now) It'll definitely have a screen too, because even if you only have to worry about navigating 100 or 200 songs that's probably too many for most to remember where they are in their playlist. I sort of have two visions of how it might turn out: 1. I imagine an ipod mini cut in half with the screen on one side and the scroll wheel on the back. You'd work the scroll wheel "blindly" with your index finger while holding the ipodflash. I think the scroll wheel is an intuitive enough design to work without looking at what you're doing. 2. A similar squared form factor, but instead of the scroll wheel there would be a strip on the "index finger" side that would work like the scroll wheel to navigate the list. You'd simply slide your index finger up or down to navigate lists and use buttons on the "thumb side" to select stuff. Of course these ideas are sort of right-handed centric since I'm right handed, but 90% of the population can't be all wrong. And leftys could probably work with them too. Granted, when it's unveiled it'll be something so much cooler and easier to use than what I've been thinking about it'll shock me but that's why those industrial design people get paid the big bucks and i just sit here and ponder these things.
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I was flipping through a catalog and found something that plays mp3 files and looks like a milano cookie:
http://www.hammacher.com/publish/71702.asp?promo=search
http://www.hammacher.com/publish/71702.asp?promo=search
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00066EK2W/ref=cm_ea_pl_prod_11/002-2689853-8459256
$150 for that 1gb player, I could easily see apple dropping the screen and recording, and charging $99 for it. Plus, Apple apparently is ordering 5million units, Im sure they can get some nice prices on those with that many pre orders
$150 for that 1gb player, I could easily see apple dropping the screen and recording, and charging $99 for it. Plus, Apple apparently is ordering 5million units, Im sure they can get some nice prices on those with that many pre orders
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Isn't anyone listening?
They will make it.
It will have no screen.
It will be around $100 for 128mb
It will hold only a handful of songs, and that's all you need for a jog or workout.
People will still buy iPod minis because they can have 6 gb on them, this will be like the Apple phone, something that compliments the iPod for the iPod user.
Why would you have playlists dividing up only 50 songs? You don't need playlists on a player this small, you don't need a screen.
The 1gb flash memory the bought from Toshiba is likely for either experamentation on larger flash iPods or for their cell phone.
Think: iPod accessory. someone a few weeks ago said the only thing you can get for less than 129 from apple is accessories. this will be an accessory.
They will make it.
It will have no screen.
It will be around $100 for 128mb
It will hold only a handful of songs, and that's all you need for a jog or workout.
People will still buy iPod minis because they can have 6 gb on them, this will be like the Apple phone, something that compliments the iPod for the iPod user.
Why would you have playlists dividing up only 50 songs? You don't need playlists on a player this small, you don't need a screen.
The 1gb flash memory the bought from Toshiba is likely for either experamentation on larger flash iPods or for their cell phone.
Think: iPod accessory. someone a few weeks ago said the only thing you can get for less than 129 from apple is accessories. this will be an accessory.