Pardon me for splitting hairs but selling a tool to facilitate conversion of Flash to HTML5 certainly is "getting in on the act."
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Flash Player 10.2 is out, do you want the optimized Flash Player on iPad?
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Pardon me for splitting hairs but selling a tool to facilitate conversion of Flash to HTML5 certainly is "getting in on the act."
Yes. But only if I can control what flash elements run or not (by tapping on them to activate them).
Fan or not, you were given advance notice that Flash would not be supported. There are plenty of features that people would want but aren't included. It was never meant or advertised to be a Swiss-Army-knife device that did absolutely everything under the sun.
I'd be happy to have flash as long as it had an on-off switch and I also had a capable ad-blocker (if flash support could be built into Atomic, that would be amazing).
Having said that, not having flash is a slight and minor annoyance, and I think we could all go forward indefinitely without it.
Having said that, not having flash is a slight and minor annoyance, and I think we could all go forward indefinitely without it.
I knew it wasn't available ... and chose to buy 2 iPads. I just mean that I'd like the the ability to do certain things and not have someone tell me "No, it's bad for you cause it sucks".
I already use it with lots of USB accessories which "aren't compatible" with the iPad (works perfectly with USB barcode scanners ... we use em at our MMA events).
If Flash was just for video's (not ads) and didn't negatively effect battery life much I wouldn't mind it on an iOS device.
But as of now, it seems like 99% of Flash are stupid ads and up until recently ate into battery life and CPU useage. I don't know if Adobe Flash player 10.2 has addressed CPU useage and battery life though.
But as of now, it seems like 99% of Flash are stupid ads and up until recently ate into battery life and CPU useage. I don't know if Adobe Flash player 10.2 has addressed CPU useage and battery life though.
After using the Xoom for the past few weeks, and having Flash since the 18th of March, I can say for me personally not that big of a deal. I do however find that many sites women tend to visit, at least the women in my family. All complain about why something is not showing up on sites. The online shopping sites, restaurant and other regional business' clearly have not converted to HTML5. I'm used to swapping to the app for content but it's not a natural thought process if you don't know why that part of a website doesn't work.
While those here and on any tech blog think it's not a big deal, people that don't care how tech works, but just expect it to, are still wondering why content is missing. My wife still loves her iPad, but I find her taking my Xoom when browsing the web. She doesn't have to think about will this site work or wont' it.
I can say I was a bit surprised how well 10.2 works considering it still has no hardware acceleration. Many sites I've run across run fine and the video is not HD, but more than adequate for mobile viewing. Not like my 3G connection could stream HD anyhow.
iSwifter seems to work rather well on the iPad for sites like Hulu, but does take a few mins to load up content. Decent alternative to not having Hulu native, as Hulu+ is a joke imo. Paying for a service that doesn't even cover all the shows the free online version has? No thanks.
While those here and on any tech blog think it's not a big deal, people that don't care how tech works, but just expect it to, are still wondering why content is missing. My wife still loves her iPad, but I find her taking my Xoom when browsing the web. She doesn't have to think about will this site work or wont' it.
I can say I was a bit surprised how well 10.2 works considering it still has no hardware acceleration. Many sites I've run across run fine and the video is not HD, but more than adequate for mobile viewing. Not like my 3G connection could stream HD anyhow.
iSwifter seems to work rather well on the iPad for sites like Hulu, but does take a few mins to load up content. Decent alternative to not having Hulu native, as Hulu+ is a joke imo. Paying for a service that doesn't even cover all the shows the free online version has? No thanks.
I wasn't referring to comments on this thread, but if you read the many other threads on this subject there are many, many members here who are staunchly opposed to flash even being an option on any iOS device.
I think you are making this more complicated than it needs to be. Flash can simply be available on the Appstore like every other application -- and like it is in the Android Market. Those who actually go *looking* for flash are likely to be those who understand what it does. The grandparents and babies will be content with what they have.
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Well the issue with that is the app store restrictions. adobe can't release an app that enables something in safari. It would have to be a separate web browser, which would be bad. Apple would need to collaborate with adobe to integrate flash into the OS.
Flash would be OFF by default.
User could turn ON. then could choose "automatic flash" or "touch to flash". Maybe the user could even define a "white list" of sites that allow flash automatically.
I too would prefer the option to be mine, not chosen for me by Apple. But I can also say that so far, I just haven't missed Flash either. At least I haven't been to a site yet that I couldn't use. In fact, after having done all my mobile surfing via cellphones and a bit on my Kindle prior to getting an iPad, I'm very impressed with the web experience. Much more like my desktop PC than I expected.
Apple's decision is not defensible at all.
Android: Flash is optional. It is completely voluntary to use.
iOS: Flash is forbidden. No choice at all.
Gee...I wonder which one has more of a leg to stand on, the OS with a choice or the OS with no choice.
Android: Flash is optional. It is completely voluntary to use.
iOS: Flash is forbidden. No choice at all.
Gee...I wonder which one has more of a leg to stand on, the OS with a choice or the OS with no choice.
Apple's decision is not defensible at all.
Android: Flash is optional. It is completely voluntary to use.
iOS: Flash is forbidden. No choice at all.
Gee...I wonder which one has more of a leg to stand on, the OS with a choice or the OS with no choice.
Google: We are open. We believe in an open web. But we're going to promote a proprietary plugin because it's in our best business interests.
Apple: We promote open standards on the web.
There are different ways to look at the situation. No need to dumb it down.
Why do we still have so many people on here that seem to think All that Flash does is Video and that's it. and then bitch as it seems daft they can't just convert the Flash video's to some other format.
Flash was never about Video, it just happened to do it as one of it's "things" and it just caught on.
On the actual question of this thread. Yes, I would like to have Flash as an option.
The point is, as Flash get's better, and we get to an even faster iPad2, the a quicker iPad3 and an even faster still iPad4. The "we don't have enough power to run it" won't be able to be used anymore
Only if Apple blocks Adobe from using Hardware Acceleration on the iPad's GPU will it not be able to run very well in the future. I don't know if Apple will deliberately do this, or will help Adobe to make it run well.
I think I can guess though
Flash was never about Video, it just happened to do it as one of it's "things" and it just caught on.
On the actual question of this thread. Yes, I would like to have Flash as an option.
The point is, as Flash get's better, and we get to an even faster iPad2, the a quicker iPad3 and an even faster still iPad4. The "we don't have enough power to run it" won't be able to be used anymore
Only if Apple blocks Adobe from using Hardware Acceleration on the iPad's GPU will it not be able to run very well in the future. I don't know if Apple will deliberately do this, or will help Adobe to make it run well.
I think I can guess though
Sometimes including more options has unintended consequences or side-effects. I suspect you think those which would occur in this case are negligible or not relevant, but more options is simply not always better.
I've read many Flash threads (ugh) and I've heard the same sentiment (people are adamantly against Flash no matter what) but I've never seen it. I've seen people say 'Apple's position is reasonable, even if some don't like it' which is a fair stance to take.
No offense, but I think you are making it simpler than it actually is.
That's the conclusion I came to after trialing Hulu Plus for a while.
I'd like the choice to use Flash or not. A toggle in the browser. I'd also like the choice to make a new default browser. Safari is very annoying.
The one place I encounter the Flash blockade the most is the tech sites. CNET is a blackhole of video blocks while all they have is a tiny Phone app. Engadget and Revision3 are the same way.
I ran into an issue the other day while shopping at AllPosters.com. I can look at artwork but not do the framing wizard because that's Flash. Extremely annoying.
When I first picked up an iPad I had an issue with my personal travel blog. When I linked to videos in my Photobucket account they are delivered by Flash. So I had to switch to Youtube (and abide by Youtube's sometimes insane copyright filters, take a video in DisneyWorld of a show and the filter recognizes the music as copyrighted and blocks it, Photobucket does not).
So it has not been a dealbreaker for me in using an iPad but it is annoying on the oddest occasions. That's why I'm attracted to Android right now. I like a system that is far more open and errs on the side of consumer choice.
Apple didn't make the decision for you. You bought a device knowing it doesn't have that feature and likely never will.
I hear that. Im done waiting for features i need/want to have access to. The Xoom/Honeycomb is by no means perfect but its leaps ahead of the 2.1/2.2 on smartphones which has made it a very easy transition, not to mention rather freeing as well. I am fully capable of deciding when i need to deal with Flash, email attachments and downloads from he web. Apple takes the gjesswork out of it, which is why i recommend the iPad to anyone that is not as technically as savy. Great product just after 10 months decided to move on to explore more options and features than iPad allows.
In that context: yes. However, they're not doing it because they think that HTML5 is better, they're doing it because they can make money; they don't care if flash has 20%, as long as their programs are purchased and so forth.
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