it's what i've said from the beginning, adobe got started too late. 18 months ago they might have had a shot, but now with 100 million iOS devices, a larger number of blackberries and a rapidly increasing android market (where only a small percentage are capable of flash playback) the critical mass is behind non-flash mobile devices. even if flash worked flawlessly it would have a massive game of catch up to play.
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This is something Kevin Lynch himself admitted in that Engadget interview.
Still, in 2 years time, phone processors might be pushing 2 ghz and this issue will be moot, then they'll be able to chug through a 720p youtube video fine. Neither Apples nor Adobes all-or-nothing attitude is correct but Adobe just stubbornly know that the hardware march of technology waits for no man.
Can folks now admit that Jobs wasn't being entirely high handed in forging ahead without Flash? There are some issues with Flash--not on all phones, not on all sites, but enough to be of concern if you keep the standard consumer in mind.
Now, granted, I can see where Adobe can STILL improve Flash and still maintain Flash's presence on the web, but can't we all admit that it's just not a cut and dried thing?
Now, granted, I can see where Adobe can STILL improve Flash and still maintain Flash's presence on the web, but can't we all admit that it's just not a cut and dried thing?
Preach on, brother!! This is *mac*rumors.com -- not *crappyGoogleDevice*rumors.com.
Buh-bye Flash!
Can't wait for the day I can uninstall my flash-plug-in. No more hang-ups no more crashes. Go
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Can't wait for the day I can uninstall my flash-plug-in. No more hang-ups no more crashes. Go
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well we just tested our site on an EVO - and all our flash sections loaded just fine and worked as designed so we very happy with the plug-in
Did you have to update video to make it work? Or is your content all new anyway?
The spirit of this site is bashing other devices that are not the iPhone?! What kind of "spirit" is that? Seriously, you said that???? "MacRumors.com is a website focused on Apple news and rumors. "
This sounds like a familiar argument to the iPhone 4's antenna issue.
Steve Jobs - Hey our phone has a problem so we're gonna blame other people. Look at this device it's no better than ours.
iPhone fans like yourself, become immediately defensive when some part of their device is flawed (not having flash). You feel pride when another device has an issue (Droid 2's flash not working correctly). I'm betting you are all scared of these new devices being legitimate competitors to your precious iPhone. I claim no loyalty to Android or Blackberry or, obviously, the iPhone (though I've had one of each for either work or my personal phone), but even the numbers say the others are regaining their respective market share. Clearly they must be doing something to be competitive with the iPhone. I couldn't care less about the performance of flash, I've had issues myself, but keep this kind of "mac rumor" off this site.
The only reason someone in the Apple community should really care that another phone's flash performance is not up to par (whatever that may be), is to put down the device to make yourself feel better about your own phone.
That doesn't solve the interface issue. As is mentioned, flash does not work well with touch-based devices in many of its usage scenarios.
Stick to the porn.
Not everyone who has a Mac also has an iPhone. Some of us have an Android phone.
Since flash can cripple Macs AND Droids, that makes it a relevant topic for Macrumors.
Flash causes various sites to crash Safari on my Mac Pro. It is not always predictable. If it were, I would not have gone to them.
And I don't worry about which sites use Flash on my myTouch 3G. It is a phone, and as such I don't use it for video. Furthermore, I don't know which is Flash and which is not. Maybe some of the sites I have attempted to access use Flash and that was why they failed.
Odd, I have a 3 ghz dual-core processor Mac and it struggles with 720p Flash videos on YouTube.
2 years? Qualcom just recently announced availability of 1.5 GHZ dual core snapdragon this year. We could possibly see an android phone with that processor by the end of this year.
Flash is resource intensive. Guess what phones have limited resources compared to a desktop. Web pages render a LOT slower on a mobile device than a desktop, so of course something as resource intensive as flash is going to suffer as well. DUH.
When this new class of CPUs comes out, flash performance wont be a problem anymore.
Again, the only reason it's relevant to some of the readership is to make iPhone users who don't have flash feel better about the handicaps of their pride and joy. Other than that, why are you so concerned about flash performance on another device?
Why in the world would they release this half-ass? This is the best they can do? I'm not a huge fan of flash, but this is just stupid enough to be worth following up on. What a bone-headed play
Of all the threads that touch on this subject I have never seen the Android vs iOS situation explained as succinctly as this.
You pays yer money, you takes yer choice!
Well done sir!
What is a Mac product? I didn't know Mac was a company!
Do you perhaps mean Apple products?
And yeah, Flash sucks. We know this.
I couldn't give a crap, I want flash regardless of performance, and anyway this is such bull you know why? Tons of people have played flash using FRASH on iphone 4 and ipad, from what I saw on the videos I did not see any lagging..
Now maybe a 720P or 1080P might lag, but I don't see any reason not to have flash support.. I say this because I use flash on a daily basis, and I've got an ipod touch which I love but I would appreciate it more if I was able to watch flash videos instead of having to download, convert, sync. Its the biggest pain ever.
I wouldn't mind if flash was disabled on default settings, but they should allow users to be able to enable it.. Why can't we have the best of both HTML5 and Flash, when HTML5 becomes more relevant then trash flash.. but its no secret majority of the websites rely on flash. Which means users can't view those sites =/.
Now maybe a 720P or 1080P might lag, but I don't see any reason not to have flash support.. I say this because I use flash on a daily basis, and I've got an ipod touch which I love but I would appreciate it more if I was able to watch flash videos instead of having to download, convert, sync. Its the biggest pain ever.
I wouldn't mind if flash was disabled on default settings, but they should allow users to be able to enable it.. Why can't we have the best of both HTML5 and Flash, when HTML5 becomes more relevant then trash flash.. but its no secret majority of the websites rely on flash. Which means users can't view those sites =/.
Apple's open letter on Flash definitely makes sense for inclusion on this site, so why wouldn't a real world example of the issues discussed in that letter be appropriate for this site?
I couldn't care less about what you feel the motivation behind macrumors posting this story is. If you don't want to read the article, don't click on it, and please don't waste everyone's time by posting this nonsense.
