Flash Player Performance on Droid 2 Found to Be Hit-or-Miss at Best

[ViViDboarder]

I find this unlikely. I think Apple will stand its ground on open Web standards (unlike Google).

Excuse me? Do you know anything about WebM and Mpeg? Google created a totally open video codec for HTML5. Apple is proposing a closed codec that requires a very costly license. Not a very open standard. Also, the Android browser supports HTML5. The Android browser doesn't support Flash out of the box. Adobe built a Flash plugin and since Google has an openly documented API (more openness) Adobe is able to release their plugin for users that CHOOSE to use it.

Most people want flash for videos. A touch screen does just fine for that. The EVO runs Flash very well. I know because I'm also a member of the XDA-Developers forum and there are no complaints.

And on one last note and the point that makes this whole argument futile is that the Droid 2, EVO and all other Android devices run Flash better than that iPhone. They also run HTML5 just as good as it too. This whole thing just puts Jobs in his place that he can no longer claim "Flash is incapable of running on mobile devices" and needs to be more outspoken with "I just don't want flash developers to be bypassing the App Store." I mean, it's totally fine. It's his/Apple's platform. Just stop kidding yourselves.

 

[DMann]

And on one last note and the point that makes this whole argument futile is that the Droid 2, EVO and all other Android devices run Flash better than that iPhone. They also run HTML5 just as good as it too. This whole thing just puts Jobs in his place that he can no longer claim "Flash is incapable of running on mobile devices" and needs to be more outspoken with "I just don't want flash developers to be bypassing the App Store." I mean, it's totally fine. It's his/Apple's platform. Just stop kidding yourselves.

It's not a question of capable - it's more about quality, reliability, power consumption, battery drain, and consistency.

I've seen Flash run on EVO - sometimes it was smooth, sometimes not. The phone got very hot after 5 minutes of run-time.

A large majority of Flash sites on the web are poorly written, to begin with, and are intended solely for mouse interaction.

Until Flash and HTML5 sites make a concerted effort to overhaul things, tailoring them for Multi-Touch mobile devices, we're really not missing out on much out there, other than frustration, and a hit/miss user experience.

 

[GamecockMac]

Au Contraire, Mon Ami...my 6 year old PC easily runs any linux distribution I care to install. At the moment I triple boot with Ubuntu 10.04, Mint 10.04 XFCE and PCLinuxOS 2010.7.

Too bad none of that geekspeak changes my original point, which is that you couldn't buy a decent lunch with the money you'd get if you put that 6 year old PC up for sale...assuming you could even find a buyer.

It's not a question of capable - it's more about quality, reliability, power consumption, battery drain, and consistency.

I've seen Flash run on EVO - sometimes it was smooth, sometimes not. The phone got very hot after 5 minutes of run-time.

And what percentage of the battery was drained on the Evo in those 5 minutes? 10%? More??

 

[macUser2007]

.... Until Flash and HTML5 sites make a concerted effort to overhaul things, tailoring them for Multi-Touch mobile devices, we're really not missing out on much out there, other than frustration, and a hit/miss user experience.

Yep, you are.

No matter how you spin it, the fact is, iOS has limited browsing capabilities, because of its lack of Flash support.

Most Flash sites work perfectly fine on Android today, and since Android hardware is getting faster and better literally by the week, it will only improve.

 

[GamecockMac]

Yep, you are.

No matter how you spin it, the fact is, iOS has limited browsing capabilities, because of its lack of Flash support.

Most Flash sites work perfectly fine on Android today, and since Android hardware is getting faster and better literally by the week, it will only improve.

Wrong.

 

[wizzerandchips]

I have been playing with Flash on the EVO and it does indeed run very well.

I don't know if LAPTOP knew what they were doing, or if they had a badly set up device, but the issues they had are not experienced by the majority of users. If you want to read something from a more reputable source, try "Adobe proves that Flash can work on mobile devices."

Of course, you'll always have some pages which will create problems, particularly for mobile devices, but this is valid for both HTML5 and Flash.

The bottom line is, both Flash and HTML5 will coexist on the web for the foreseeable future. Flash is already up and running on Android, and Android is picking up steam. It is rapidly improving, with OS3 due before Christmas, and the hardware is changing so fast that by next summer speeds will have doubled. It is very likely that within a year Android will be the dominant mobile OS and all this will be a mute point for most users.

I actually believe that at some point Steve Jobs will agree to allow Flash on iOS, as long as he can neuter it to protect Apple's revenue streams from app and media sales, and from iAd.

But by then, Android will be the mobile 800 lbs gorilla, and the Apple fanboys will be pointing out how lame Windows 7 Mobile is, because it doesn't support Flash (unless of course Windows 7 gets it before iOS).

you say android is picking up, but I am still amazed when i get on a tube train in london, i see all the iphone ear phones in peoples ears, or them playing with there iphones, and im talking at least 60% in those trains have iphones

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

I have hands on experience, which you obviously don't.

Also, here is what the Examiner says about Flash on Android:

"First, let me apologize to Adobe for all the harsh articles on how Flash is outdated, how it doesn't work on mobile devices and how HTML5 is taking over. After using Adobe Flash with my HTC EVO and Android's Froyo operating system, I am now a believer.

I have been staying at a hotel in Ontario California for the past couple days. Unfortunately, I am not getting LA or Orange County's newly acquired 4G signal. I've been testing Flash enabled sites with a slower-than-usual 3G speed and have rarely run into any problems.

For the past couple of days, I have been watching content directly from YouTube, streaming Flash videos from CNET, enjoying episodes of SpongeBob SquarePants (okay, laugh at me) on Nickelodian, watching Flash enabled video clips on Foxnews.com, and basically enjoying Flash content all over the web. For the first time, I feel like I truly have the Internet in my hands...."

Exactly...

Hey MacRumors!!!

Something called 'objective journalism' should encourage you to make this article news as well:

http://www.examiner.com/gadgets-in-los-angeles/adobe-proves-that-flash-can-work-on-mobile-devices

What is the problem!?!?! Why don't you publish something like this???

Oh yes, sorry I forgot, this site is about propaganda and not about objective journalism...

My bad! Soz

 

[azurehi]

Take a Look....

http://franciscokattan.com/2010/03/07/why-steve-jobs-will-never-put-adobe-flash-on-iphone-os-devices/

 

[Journojulz]

Interesting HTML5 experiment...

http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/

 

[carbonmotion]

Interesting HTML5 experiment...

http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/

This is really cool! I think if this was done in flash, it would have been 10 times more bad ass.

 

[newuser2310]

my android device doesnt support flash. the apps are largely waste and the battery life is poor.
yes flash would be useful on the odd ocasion but it hardly stops me using the device as intended. apple have got the content/apps on lock down. i know android is catching up but i will have got an iphone by then.

 

[kdarling]

The Incredible I use just got updated... over the air, no host computer needed... with Froyo and Flash 10.

The Incredible lives up to its name. It's quick, smooth, reliable. Apps are nice, voice input everywhere is very handy, power life is just fine (I'm using an aftermarket battery, as I always do with phones where possible).

With Flash, I don't have to avoid any websites or miss out on restaurant menus. I can even go to places like this interactive Flash based site (Goblin Creative)... and it all works perfectly, while being only slightly slower than a more powerful laptop. (No need for a CPU fan either, unlike my MacBook on the same site.)

 

[lloyd709]

Honestly there is no reason for your website to be built in flash.

Being a photography website I expected to find images that scaled dynamically and occupied the entire browser windows. However that wasn't the case. Your images are a set size and in all honesty the only reason to build a photography website in Flash is to be able to show images in full screen without worrying about people's screen size.

The fact is you are actually trading away an enormous amount of search engine visibility for something that doesn't offer you any real advantages. I say this because I could replicate your entire site and make it identical to the one you have now without using Flash. Plus my version would be much superior because Google would be able to analyze and see the type of photography you do and and properly rank you. As your site is built the only thing Google can see is "Lloyd Sturdy Corporate Photographer." Search engines don't even see your short bio in the about section. Looking at your bio I see you are in London and if you search for "corporate photographer in London" on Google, well you are not at the top of that list and that's because search engines can't see a freaking thing about you or your business. A properly designed HTML site would have each section and each image helping to boost your association with keywords and phrases that drive traffic to your site. Looking at your site you have a good amount of galleries and it's a shame Google can't look at them because you could be picking up a lot of extra traffic.

That wasn't to knock your site in anyway. I thought it looked and worked great, but wanted to point out some things you might not have considered. If you weigh the advantages of Flash and the disadvantages of Flash then in your case I think you are losing out. Maybe I would feel differently if you are using Flash to make images fullscreen.

One thing I think you should do immediately is add a meta description to all your HTML files and use that text from your about page in it. It will give search engines a bit more information about you.

Cheers

Hi

Thanks for your comments - I've only just spotted them. I really do appreciate your comments but I have some opinions on them that I thought you might be interested in.

Firstly, I'm afraid I disagree with you regarding the scaling of images. I personally don't like images being scaled on photographers websites. I find it distracting, it also generally degrades the quality of the photograph and makes the site generally slower. I'm in the process of having a non-flash version of my website being built (so it will run on ipad etc) and have specifically requested images not to be scaled.

Second. Not a lot of web people know this but some people actually don't want a high presence on google (including me!). I succumbed at the beginning of this year to web people telling me I need to be doing something about getting a bigger presence on google and I got some guy to do some stuff for me (he did some tagging I think and set me up on google adds and stuff) and I started to get work from it only it was the worst sort of work I've ever had - from non-professional purchasers of photography (which generally means they are a complete pain to work for) who will probably never use me again (because they will probably not have the need again) I concluded that the sort of clients I'm after will never be typing in 'corporate photographer' into google - they will only use photographers who have been recommend to them or photographers who have politely approached them with their portfolio. This is not to say I don't want people to find me if they type my name into google if someone has given it to them - which I'm very highly ranked on google for. I know this sounds a bit strange but I'm not the only photographer that thinks like this - non of whom are finding it hard to make a living without google.

Just thought you might be interested.

Very best

 

[Aatos.1]

Has it ever occurred to people that Steve Jobs is actually quite a brilliant technologist and business man and being in his position of arguably the most influential and respected C.E.O. in the world he just MIGHT know what the $^@# he is talking about???

I don't think he is God or anything but just a thought!

Once he emerges from behind the onstage curtain he does the one single thing he does brilliantly. He convinces people.

Surrounded by a group of highly intelligent staff, it's easy for him to look good. This being America where the almighty dollars trumps good human beings & families, he's a money making super star.

In other countries, not so much. Whatever floats your boat. Their are a massive number of subservients that thrive on letting him think for them, speak for them, and remove their personal responsibility.

Yes he's brilliant alright.

 

[MacFly123]

Once he emerges from behind the onstage curtain he does the one single thing he does brilliantly. He convinces people.

Surrounded by a group of highly intelligent staff, it's easy for him to look good. This being America where the almighty dollars trumps good human beings & families, he's a money making super star.

In other countries, not so much. Whatever floats your boat. Their are a massive number of subservients that thrive on letting him think for them, speak for them, and remove their personal responsibility.

Yes he's brilliant alright.

Wow replying to a very old post haha. Just FYI, I do not do ANYTHING in life without thinking and feeling for myself! I just happen to agree with most things Steve points out because he usually has very valid points. His track record more than proves that! But yes, there are a lot of sheep in the world, no doubt!