Flash Player Performance on Droid 2 Found to Be Hit-or-Miss at Best

[Journojulz]

Still, in 2 years time, phone processors might be pushing 2 ghz and this issue will be moot....

And by then anyone building new site functionality that wants to attract the iphone/pad will have found another way.

I love the 1% of web flash that is used creatively - just as i did in 2001.
But the rest can be done in other ways.

Adobe vs apple is a heck of fight.
Can't see abobe making a turnaround if this story is anything to be believed

 

[smetvid]

Wow what a shocker! a web based application designed on and optimized for desktop computers may run a bit slower on a phone. How could any person on the planet have expected any different?

Adobe really has to live up to a lot of expectations here because pretty much if Flash doesn't work as well as it does on a Desktop then people are going to say it is garbage. Keep in mind that there are a lot of HTML5/CSS3/SVG/javascript samples out there that run really bad on an Iphone as well.

HTML5 is great when it comes to video performance but I just do not see any advantage of it over Flash when it comes to web application development. I have seen both run equally slow or fast with an equal amount of crashes.

As for touch interfacing Flash has the tools built in to develop for touch devices. Does this help with existing games? no but it is also pretty easy to load the Flash source code for a game and adjust it for touch devices. Just give it some time and I'm sure you will start to see Flash games ported to a touch interface.

 

[Yamcha]

+1 @ icarus81187

 

[j2004p]

In other news, bears crap in the woods and the sky is blue.

Did you hear that the Pope is catholic?

 

[icarus81187]

Have fun being the one person complaining about this.

I give you:

who gives a flying crap what the flash performance on a droid is. I come here for rumors about mac products.

Preach on, brother!! This is *mac*rumors.com -- not *crappyGoogleDevice*rumors.com.

Well said... +1

+1 @ icarus81187

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If you don't want to read the article, don't click on it, and please don't waste everyone's time by posting this nonsense.

Another fanboy obsessed with the device, clearly. If you think what I have to say is nonsense, then by all means, don't waste your time reading it.

 

[Burger Thing]

Odd, I have a 3 ghz dual-core processor Mac and it struggles with 720p Flash videos on YouTube.

Not a surprise. Go and download some .flv video files onto your desktop and play them with Adobe Media player and watch your CPU. Then play the same file with VLC and compare

 

[macfan881]

who gives a flying crap what the flash performance on a droid is. I come here for rumors about mac products.

again this is to be relating why the iPhone doesn't have flash its crappy and buggy as Steve and this article points out so it is in fact mac news now take a chill pill and come back with something that isn't a troll post

 

[Azmordean]

I'm not terribly concerned about Flash Video performance. There are better ways to deliver video on mobile devices, including dedicated apps (e.g., YouTube app). If Adobe came out and said, mobile phone processors simply aren't fast enough to support made-for-computer Flash Video content, I'd be okay with that.

What I do want though, is support for Flash web site elements. Menus, displays, that sort of thing. Heck, some entire web sites are designed in Flash. I don't need to watch ESPN, I need to be able to access web sites as I would on my computer - and without Flash, my droid is lacking in that department. So if Adobe can focus on getting the Flash elements working right on the mobile side, I will be pleased, even if Video performance isn't up to par.

For some reason, people seem to think Flash = Video -- and that's just not the case. Also this article suggests it's Adobe's fault a lot of games don't support touch, and Jobs says the same thing. Hello, Flash is like anything else - if the developer doesn't design it to support touch, it's not going to. Hardly Adobe's fault.

 

[InsightsIE]

Steve is always right!!

 

[dbales]

I agree with those posters who say Flash runs terrible on their Mac. I use Firefox and whenever I watch a movie or even have a site that has Flash running in the background, my computer starts to overheat and my fans start churning. Gets on my nerves, really.

 

[iZac]

That doesn't solve the interface issue. As is mentioned, flash does not work well with touch-based devices in many of its usage scenarios.

Don't worry, i'm not defending Adobe's stance and indeed many ways that you interact with flash are crippled using a touch screen, I'd like to see the Droid run this site properly for instance!

In regard to that, Adobe have to re-invent the tool sets and events that trigger the equivalent of a mouse click properly (for instance, dragging your finger acts as a roll over and double tap acts as a mouse click) or just let developers continue to make flash content that is broken using a touch interface.

As much as Adobe like to say they want to create content that can be delivered on multiple platforms, from phone to computer ... they still insist that you need to "optimise" for low power and touch screens. i.e. Some poor developer is still going to have to make a mobile and desktop site and be clever enough to do it elegantly. And it's a testing nightmare.

I guess there is a two-fold problem of
a) delivering flash on touch platforms and of
b)delivering flash on low power platforms.

Just for the time being, they two go hand-in-hand.

Once Adobe fix both of these, Apple might relent on their stance.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

Again, the only reason it's relevant to some of the readership is to make iPhone users who don't have flash feel better about the handicaps of their pride and joy. Other than that, why are you so concerned about flash performance on another device?

Well the Droid Forum seems pretty dry:
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/tags/droid rumors.html

But you can go share the news over there if you like.

If you want to provide links to "adobe rumors", "smartphone rumors" or any other relevant rumors sites please do so the news can be spread.

 

[unicorn025]

well that sucks that some people are having trouble with some flash site, I never realy have a problem with it when it come to watching tv episode from hulu are cbs and other sites even walt disney...com plays well with my phone (nexus one).

I cant talk for playing flash game since i dont play games on my phone, i also have no problem playing back movies from my computer with my phone,

i use the dolphine browswer with desktop mode and flash on demand.

 

[ChazUK]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.1-update1; en-gb; Dell Streak Build/ERE27) AppleWebKit/530.17 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/530.17)

For what I use it for it works fine on my nexus one.
The best thing is if you set it to "on demand" it acts like click2flash meaning I see less ads when online unless I tap the flash placeholder to load the applet.

Win/win for me!

 

[newagemac]

2 years? Qualcom just recently announced availability of 1.5 GHZ dual core snapdragon this year. We could possibly see an android phone with that processor by the end of this year.

Flash is resource intensive. Guess what phones have limited resources compared to a desktop. Web pages render a LOT slower on a mobile device than a desktop, so of course something as resource intensive as flash is going to suffer as well. DUH.

When this new class of CPUs comes out, flash performance wont be a problem anymore.

Combining 2Ghz processors plus Flash on a handheld phone is just asking for a new low record in battery life for a shipping mobile phone. The fact is that Flash requires a lot of resources and that directly affects battery life. Throwing a bunch of processing power at the problem is not going to fix the main reason flash on a mobile device is not desirable.

 

[skeep5]

man i really hate to see flash die, even though i know it has its drawbacks. maybe just for mobile its dead? or dead-dead?

 

[j2004p]

I'm not terribly concerned about Flash Video performance. There are better ways to deliver video on mobile devices, including dedicated apps (e.g., YouTube app). If Adobe came out and said, mobile phone processors simply aren't fast enough to support made-for-computer Flash Video content, I'd be okay with that.

Have you compared the quality of the YouTube app and the new YouTube mobile site?

The video quality is leagues ahead on the mobile site

 

[ten-oak-druid]

This is absolutely relevant to Macrumors.

Although it can be argued that perhaps there needs to be a macrumors and and iOs rumors separation. Its debatable.

 

[*LTD*]

So once again Steve is right.

FLASH SUCKS, on mobile devices at least.

User Experience is job #1 at Apple. And it shows.

 

[ElectricBuffalo]

All "this news doesn't belong here", "this is a Mac website, not Android!", and "OMFG Steve Jobs was right! LOLOL" comments aside, this article is still irrelevant.

1) Who cares? So they tested out a Droid 2 and Flash doesn't run amazingly. Keep in mind that is ONE device in a long string of Android devices. And let's face it Apple folks, Android's market share is only going up.

2) I have an Evo, and Flash 10.1 runs amazingly. I can watch movies with no hiccups. Do I need Flash to do everything it can on a desktop/laptop? No. Did I buy a phone to have it do all the same **** my computer does? No. Why does everyone feel it's necessary to complain or point fingers when a mobile device doesn't have the same capacity as a computer?

 

[sigma8]

To the people who don't think this story should exist on this site:

You say it's a mac rumor site. In which case you forgot to complain about the "Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.5 Build 10H529 to Developers" story, which was news, not a rumor. Since you didn't complain, I'll assume you think it's OK for the site to post "news" in addition to straight-up rumors.

Icarus, you are complaining about this story being on the site, but I searched for your comment on the story "Google to Launch Chrome OS Tablet in Late November?", also on this site, but couldn't find you anywhere! I was shocked. Since that story is clearly an ANDROID rumor. I'm sure you'll be getting to that one next.

As for pertinence, Steve Jobs and Adobe are embroiled in a Flash on mobile device war. As such, I think monitoring the success or lack thereof of Flash on "the other side" is extremely pertinent to people following Apple's fortunes. After all, if Flash was a resounding success on Android, it stands a good chance of radically impacting Apple's mobile landscape. If (or when?) Flash becomes a resounding success on Android, Jobs very likely will be forced to capitulate and offer it on the iPhone.

The realities encompassed in this story will have a far deeper impact on the iPhone's market share than "App Store Director Revealed to Be Former Fart App Developer".

 

[manosira]

Guess no mobile flash porn anytime soon

 

[ten-oak-druid]

All "this news doesn't belong here", "this is a Mac website, not Android!", and "OMFG Steve Jobs was right! LOLOL" comments aside, this article is still irrelevant.

1) Who cares? So they tested out a Droid 2 and Flash doesn't run amazingly. Keep in mind that is ONE device in a long string of Android devices. And let's face it Apple folks, Android's market share is only going up.

2) I have an Evo, and Flash 10.1 runs amazingly. I can watch movies with no hiccups. Do I need Flash to do everything it can on a desktop/laptop? No. Did I buy a phone to have it do all the same **** my computer does? No. Why does everyone feel it's necessary to complain or point fingers when a mobile device doesn't have the same capacity as a computer?

It is very relevant.

I do not own a smart phone so do I care? Not really. But I can see that it is relevant.

What is silly is perhaps getting all frothy at the mouth while taking sides. But step away from that and the performance of the technology on devices similar to the iphone is worthy of some discussion.

 

[unicorn025]

So once again Steve is right.

FLASH SUCKS, on mobile devices at least.

User Experience is job #1 at Apple. And it shows.

well go to abc ..com and play somthing then and post it here. of couse you must use your iphone.

 

[Pechente]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4qS1NnOGCk&hd=1

This video showcases Flash on Android quite well. At first I thought "this is stunning" but then all those problems occured