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I can understand why they have an exclusive deal. They invested quite a bit customizing their network to deal with the iPhone voice mail and stuff. This was a big risk. It paid off.

I would like to see the option to legally unlock your phone once you are out of contract.

So how does that reconcile with the other countries that made no changes to their network to accomodate the iphone. The only explanation for it is that AT&T had grossly underinvested for years in the first place, and users are still paying the price for that today.
 
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Good for them! Maybe "company" I'm assuming you're talking about AT&T should spend less money on monitoring forums and more on their network, or better yet, eliminate the 20.00 tethering option and allow it to be free like their rivals.
 
Ma Bell has been nickel and diming people since iPhone 3g when they dropped the unlimited data and 200 free text. And this most recent what people are calling "bait and switch", it's high time for consumers to step up and fight back. 20extra dollars a month to use what is already ours in anyway we want. HA, thank goodness for programs like these and developers like this kid. I can't wait for the the DEV team to release Jailbreak for 4.0+ that way mywi can once again live on my iPhone.

This sounds very immature. You signed up for a specific service with specific limitations. You even knew what those limitations were before you took the service. If you did not agree to those limitations, the solution is to not take the service. Take your business elsewhere and line someone elses pocket who does offer the service you want. You severely weaken your cause by simply taking something you aren't entitled to. Your best course of action will be to take your money elsewhere. However, I have a strong feeling that a lot of people think they are entitled to own an iPhone and will simply cheat the system to get what they want than go elsewhere.
 
So how does that reconcile with the other countries that made no changes to their network to accomodate the iphone. The only explanation for it is that AT&T had grossly underinvested for years in the first place, and users are still paying the price for that today.
Bingo. They invest the absolute minimum required to not be a complete disaster. "AT&T - Not entirely horrible" is what they strive to live up to, but that's it. Because they need to protect their gross profit margin of around 60%. TeliaSonera, Sweden's largest carrier, has a gross profit margin of 30%. They've always invested like mad. They had 85% 3G coverage in 2003, and by 2005 you had to be somewhere up in the mountains to lose signal. They were the first in the world to launch 4G. Their plans cost peanuts compared to AT&T's.

Hey AT&T, why stop at 60% profit margin? I have a great idea. Fire the entire staff, pull the plug on your network, cease all marketing efforts and triple your prices. Then you'll have a profit margin of 100%! Sure, it will be 100% of about ¢5, but hey... who cares, when 100% is such an awesome and mouth watering number?
 
You sound very immature. You signed up for a specific service with specific limitations. You even knew what those limitations were before you took the service. If you did not agree to those limitations, the solution is to not take the service. Take your business elsewhere and line someone elses pocket who does offer the service you want. You severely weaken your cause by simply taking something you aren't entitled to. Your best course of action will be to take your money elsewhere. However, I have a strong feeling that a lot of people think they are entitled to own an iPhone and will simply cheat the system to get what they want than go elsewhere.

Interesting comment coming from someone who didn't even follow MR forum rule #1 in their first sentence. If you did not agree to those limitations, the solution is to not use MR Forums! :D
 
Interesting comment coming from someone who didn't even follow MR forum rule #1 in their first sentence. If you did not agree to those limitations, the solution is to not use MR Forums! :D

Changed to comply with the MR rules. And you're right, if I didn't agree with the rules, I shouldn't use the forum. At least we're on the same wavelength there!
 
got an authorized copy of handy light :D

question though. I now have it on my itunes and on my phone and it's working fine... but my iphone has a weird glitch to it. For some reason, the rear glass on the back of the phone is almost loose. If you hold the phone and put your fingers on it, if you push with even a little force, you can feel the glass wiggle in the case. I was going to take it to the apple store and ask for an exchange which I'm sure they'll give me... but what will be lost in the process? Will I lose my aps? Lose contacts? I assume a sync would get me back to normal but what about with handy light? Any ideas?
 
And a pity that YOU have to ride a train to work. I'll gladly take the comfort and luxury of driving my own vehicle and having that freedom.

Oh, and we, Americans, do have official tethering provided by AT&T for an extra cost. If we can obtain a free method that allows us to bypass AT&T, great! We're just as happy to save money, as much as YOU'RE happy saving money by riding on a train (as opposed to your own vehicle -- if you have one, that is).

I have two cars, a Mazda 5 and a Toyota Celica, what's your point? I love my car and I love driving but I'd rather be on the train for an hour 10 minutes reading a book or responding to forum posts like this than be stuck in traffic for 2 hours listening to the morning show hosts ramble about God knows what.

I get my tethering access for no additional cost. ;) And 6GB for $30/mo. And we have three carriers and numerous subcarriers we can get the iPhone on, Apple will even sell us iPhone 4s completely unlocked! Have fun on your AT&T network.
 
You sir (madam) are incredible. After everything, you finally got it to work. I can't tell you how much I appreciate you taking the time to help me; to write out a whole mini-guide with screenshots included. And you got it to work on top of that. I guess assigning a "real" IP address did the trick? I'm not even sure if that's a true statement but I think you know what I'm talking about. Do you know why this is? Either way, I truly appreciate your time, your effort and your expertise. Thank you so very much.

Thank you to everyone else who tried to help me as well. All of your efforts didn't go unnoticed.

You're welcome. I can't say for sure exactly why it wasn't working before. I don't think using a 192.168.1.xxx IP is the reason it works now. The IP really can be anything, but I simply like sticking to something familiar. It's easier on my brain. My hunch is this. By leaving the Location set to Automatic you were retaining some, perhaps obscure, network settings that caused a conflict. When you create a new Location you start fresh with nothing held over from your regular WiFi connection. That's what I suspect was going on, but who know. I'm glad to hear it worked, and I hope the guide is useful for others.

Edit: Oh, and thanks for the PM.

Edit 2: Maybe this is obvious, but once you've followed my guide all you need to do when you want to tether is create a network on your Mac, then go into network settings and change your Location from Automatic to the Location you made during the guide. Then, if the network you create on your Mac is one that you've created before, then all you need to do is connect to that network on your iPhone. The iPhone should remember the settings for that network from the first time you used it assuming you didn't tell it to forget the settings. If you made a new network, changed settings, or told your iPhone to forget its settings then you'll simply need to connect to the network and in settings and under Static enter the IP you have saved in your Location under SOCKS Proxy Server.

The point is, if you do it according to the guide, then the next time you want to connect it should really be a fairly simply matter that goes like this: (1) On your Mac create an ad-hoc network with the same name as the one you initially made during the guide, (2) Go into Network Settings and change the Location to the Location you made during the guide, (3) On your iPhone connect to that network, (4) In HandyLight initiate tethering. (5) Use the internets.
 
Won't lose your data

got an authorized copy of handy light :D

question though. I now have it on my itunes and on my phone and it's working fine... but my iphone has a weird glitch to it. For some reason, the rear glass on the back of the phone is almost loose. If you hold the phone and put your fingers on it, if you push with even a little force, you can feel the glass wiggle in the case. I was going to take it to the apple store and ask for an exchange which I'm sure they'll give me... but what will be lost in the process? Will I lose my aps? Lose contacts? I assume a sync would get me back to normal but what about with handy light? Any ideas?

You always want to sync your phone before going to a Genius bar appointment to prevent data loss. If you use MobileMe, your contacts (calendar, email, and bookmarks) will be there just as quickly as you can type a password. If not, a connect to the computer sync from will do, too. Anything synced to your computer will go right back on your new phone, assuming you get one. For apps, that's not a problem.

That said, I'm not sure how you got the Handy Light app (wish I did) so I don't know if something unusual was involved that might preclude the use of the normal syncing process.
 
No, I'm just using the data that I pay for. Cheating would be to remove the sim and put it into my computer. Rather, I'm downloading data to my iPhone 4 and then rerouting it to my MBP. I pay for data for my iPhone, and that is exactly what I'm utilizing

You were paying for the privilege to use data from the ATT network on your iPhone. You used an exploit to bypass the TOS and use a much data hungrier device on the ATT network.
 
So how does that reconcile with the other countries that made no changes to their network to accomodate the iphone. The only explanation for it is that AT&T had grossly underinvested for years in the first place, and users are still paying the price for that today.

Every country that runs the iPhone, needs to change out much of their back end to support visual voice mail. That is much easier to do now, because, ATT wrote the software.
 
Any alternatives other than jailbreaking? I was hopeful on this one, but missed the download availability. I would really like to connect my iPad to my iPhone's data.
 
You always want to sync your phone before going to a Genius bar appointment to prevent data loss. ...
+1.
Always sync before going.

A reminder to me, too :)

"Mr. xxx, we'd like to reinstall the OS to see if it solves the problem. Have you backed your laptop?"
 
Any alternatives other than jailbreaking? I was hopeful on this one, but missed the download availability. I would really like to connect my iPad to my iPhone's data.

Get a developer to compile iProxy for you and authorize it for your use. Or, pay for a developer account ($99) and do it yourself. You're still saving money if you do the latter, and you'll be able to tether with your unlimited data plan, assuming you have that plan.
 
Anyone Have A Link To Download This?

you can pull the file from itunes and throw it up on the web. has anyone posted this app up on the internet yet?
 
you can pull the file from itunes and throw it up on the web. has anyone posted this app up on the internet yet?

Yes, about 100K people had.

The ipa file you can pull from itunes is "signed" by that user's ID, it cannot be install in any other deviced without that device being authorized by that ID.

the app can be crack and install on a jailbroken device, but that doesn't make any sense since there are plenty of other apps on the jailbroken community that do a better job.
 
You were paying for the privilege to use data from the ATT network on your iPhone. You used an exploit to bypass the TOS and use a much data hungrier device on the ATT network.

Well, this application was vetted by Apple and placed for sale on the official appstore--not Cydia. Most people who now have this app purchased it legitimately and it can be used on a phone that is not jailbroken. Its up to them to use it how they wish. Apple violated its own TOS by offering this for sale.
 
Every country that runs the iPhone, needs to change out much of their back end to support visual voice mail. That is much easier to do now, because, ATT wrote the software.

How much do they help with that though? In Aus, we have 5 major carriers on 4 networks and I think only 1 of them actually has visual voicemail. I know plenty of EU countries don't have VV either...
 
Um wow.

Lets put it this way. If I don't like Wal Marts return policy, then I'll go buy my things from Target. Or if I don't like Big Macs, then I'll probably buy Whoppers.

Instead of doing that, people like you complain complain complain and troll troll troll. Its really quite incredible.

No, what's "incredible" is that fan boys like yourself like to label anyone that doesn't just LOVE Apple a "troll" instead of having actual real balanced discussions on topics that involve more than just "Apple is GREAT" and "I LOVE Steve Jobs!" :rolleyes:

If I could buy a computer that runs OSX from someone other than Apple without hacking, you can be sure I would. I have no love for Apple or any company for that matter. Apple is particularly bad when it comes to listening to their customers, however. OSX is great, but other aspects like not listening to their customers about Blu-Ray, mid-range consumer desktops with actual DECENT GPUs, etc. just plain suck and since they like to sue anyone that tries to offer hardware alternatives and what not, it makes it a bit difficult to go buy something from Wal-Mart. (Sorry, but Logic Studio isn't available for Windows nor do I want to pay to replace my software library with Windows versions since I am also not allowed to virtualize OSX on a Windows machine). I'm sure you'd realize that if you weren't drinking so much Apple flavored kool-aid.

Yup... It hurts customers so much not finding the features they want that they buy far less apps on average from the App store than the Android market. And they also rate the iPhone lower in customer satisfaction. And it blocks developers so much that they typically make far more money selling Android apps.

Oh, wait.... it's the other way around. How can that be??? :eek: :D


Wow, it's the old fan-boy favorite of "Apple makes money so they must be right!" argument. Yawn. It's a non-argument that tries to connect something they do right (i.e. the iPhone itself is cool) with "that makes everything right" (draconian policies and secrecy).
 
Yes, about 100K people had.

The ipa file you can pull from itunes is "signed" by that user's ID, it cannot be install in any other deviced without that device being authorized by that ID.
.

Let's say my friend will send me his signed ipa file, and he's willing to share his itunes username/password with me, what would i need to do to load the ipa file on my iphone ?
 
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Edit 2: Maybe this is obvious, but once you've followed my guide all you need to do when you want to tether is create a network on your Mac, then go into network settings and change your Location from Automatic to the Location you made during the guide. Then, if the network you create on your Mac is one that you've created before, then all you need to do is connect to that network on your iPhone. The iPhone should remember the settings for that network from the first time you used it assuming you didn't tell it to forget the settings. If you made a new network, changed settings, or told your iPhone to forget its settings then you'll simply need to connect to the network and in settings and under Static enter the IP you have saved in your Location under SOCKS Proxy Server.

The point is, if you do it according to the guide, then the next time you want to connect it should really be a fairly simply matter that goes like this: (1) On your Mac create an ad-hoc network with the same name as the one you initially made during the guide, (2) Go into Network Settings and change the Location to the Location you made during the guide, (3) On your iPhone connect to that network, (4) In HandyLight initiate tethering. (5) Use the internets.

Thank you, this is very helpful as well. Tried again today and everything is still working perfectly. Appreciate the attention to detail you show in your posting.
 
You were paying for the privilege to use data from the ATT network on your iPhone. You used an exploit to bypass the TOS and use a much data hungrier device on the ATT network.

That's not very accurate. Data use isn't a privilege, it's a service. AT&T isn't operating a charity; they are a business that enters into contracts with entities to provide services.

How data hungry a device is is irrelevant. What is relevant is how much data it actually pulls down. The justification provided that users will use more data with tethering is irrelevant considering the fact that those users will also be paying for that extra data in addition to the tethering fee.

All this being said, I'm not arguing that it isn't in violation of your contract to use this app. I'm arguing that it isn't necessarily "wrong" to do so.
 
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