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Flip Flopping between macOS and Windows
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It's actually revolting.
They're desperately looking for a way to make the average user adopt AI in one way or another and make it critical to their workflow. Then they will gradually paywall features for a monthly fees, people will begrudgingly pay the monthly fee because they have become reliant on the technology. Then they will say sorry all the money is not enough money so there will be adverts inserted into it. All the while stealing even more of our data to sell and train their AI models.
When will enough be enough? There's always going to be the AI bros who love this sort of thing, same with anything trendy like crypto or whatever, but I'm just hoping the masses reject this and it's a flop.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
I want the hardware of either the 14 inch proart or the 15 inch surface ultra, but erase the SSD and install normal windows 11 arm. If that can happen I am stepping up with some cash for that hardware.
It's been what I have been asking for since I purchased my current laptop. 14/15 inch portable creative workstation with full sized SD card, lots of I/O, great display with touch, lightweight and powerful. They nailed that part. I have to wait and see about the software side. If there is a switch to turn the ai slop off, I won't have to re install.
Me too, if it wasn't for all the AI **** and Microsoft actively sabotaging their operating system, I kinda prefer windows overall. I like how external mice are supported, file explorer imo is better than finder. Mac disk utility is annoying. I find external drive mounting often an issue on OSX and the hardware has reliability issues. There's loads of small things that Mac gets wrong, but they get a lot of the big things right.
But Windows / the PC space is a mess. The prices have skyrocketed and nothing comes close in terms of performance to a M5 / Pro / Max and battery performance.
PC laptops are even more expensive, until panther lake were rubbish on battery, they always have one downside like a non-haptic trackpad or whatever.
To me both of the options kinda suck, but Mac are leading in more areas so I'll probably reluctantly buy a MacBook Pro/Air even though I've had such bad luck with Apple reliability, I'll just get AppleCare this time.
I've looked at 9700X, 9900X and 270K Plus builds the past two weeks, and M4 Studios and the Microcenter bundles are out of stock because you get such a great deal on RAM, and the M4 Studios are out of stock and I expect the M5s will be sold out on launch day.
So what's a flip-flopper to do?
Well, the replacement for my main program has greatly improved performance in one of the recent releases and I'm going to use it for my primary execution platform while keeping the Windows program in the background in case there are problems. This means that I can go back to my Mac Studio for trading and virtual machine stuff and leave the office stuff on the iMac Pro. That means the Windows desktop will go dark, at least until I change my mind or reconfigure my desktops the next time.
The best thing is that I don't have to spend any money; despite not minding doing so.
I read that Apple signed a deal with Samsung for RAM at a 100% price increase. Similar for SSD with Kioxio, and they are looking at two Chinese companies for further supply.
There's little joy in buying hardware unless money is not a factor.
So what's a flip-flopper to do?
Well, the replacement for my main program has greatly improved performance in one of the recent releases and I'm going to use it for my primary execution platform while keeping the Windows program in the background in case there are problems. This means that I can go back to my Mac Studio for trading and virtual machine stuff and leave the office stuff on the iMac Pro. That means the Windows desktop will go dark, at least until I change my mind or reconfigure my desktops the next time.
The best thing is that I don't have to spend any money; despite not minding doing so.
I read that Apple signed a deal with Samsung for RAM at a 100% price increase. Similar for SSD with Kioxio, and they are looking at two Chinese companies for further supply.
There's little joy in buying hardware unless money is not a factor.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
I have found a brand new motherboard for my laptop from a reputable seller on ebay. I am thinking I am going to grab that and keep the ole girl running for a little while longer to see what comes of the new systems. I am getting 8 to 10 hrs of battery life right now with the new battery installed so that's fine, the display is fine. she looks worn but not beaten, Keep it going for aother 6 months or so.
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eltoslightfoot
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It's a third-party and portable notes program. If you're a flip-flopper, you appreciate the portable part. There are some things that Notes does that Obsidian does but I can just run it on macOS when I need that functionality.
I disconnected my Windows PC from my monitors and am back to running all macOS on the desktop.
I'm still using the Lenovo Yoga when away from home because of the form-factor and weight.
There are times when I wished that I had picked up that MicroCenter M4 Max Studio for $1,800 as the extra 4 GB of RAM would be handy.
I'm still using the Lenovo Yoga when away from home because of the form-factor and weight.
There are times when I wished that I had picked up that MicroCenter M4 Max Studio for $1,800 as the extra 4 GB of RAM would be handy.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
I love sitting at my desk at my workstation. It still super fast and reliable, and does everything I need. I am going to get a new wide screen monitor to replace the two 24's I have now, and get the logitech MX setup as well.
I don't have time right now as we are doing renovations, my son is dealing with not having his room, and forced downstairs into the recroom, my dog is freaking out all day because there are people coming and going and we have to keep her contained because said people don't close the outside doors. My wife is left to deal with all of this while I am stuck at work because I have a shatty job that does not have enough staff and they won't give me time off to deal with all of it. I am soon going to just walk out.
I don't have time right now as we are doing renovations, my son is dealing with not having his room, and forced downstairs into the recroom, my dog is freaking out all day because there are people coming and going and we have to keep her contained because said people don't close the outside doors. My wife is left to deal with all of this while I am stuck at work because I have a shatty job that does not have enough staff and they won't give me time off to deal with all of it. I am soon going to just walk out.
I'm likely flopping back to Mac. I never completely left but because my Apple products had had such poor reliability I got so fed up with giving Apple money that I built a windows desktop. Top spec, 5090, 64gb ram, 9950x3d, 8tb nvme.
I think the lesson I'm learning is:
1) I really don't have any desire to play PC games. I used to mainly play online shooters / RPG games and online shooters are just depressing if you are 40 and can't really compete with 12 year olds with mad reflexes and obviously MMORPG type games are just massive time sinks that I can't really get into, not did I even try because I just don't really have a motivation to game. I thought I would do my work and then use the PC to play games but in reality I don't want to sit at my desk longer than I have to and none of my friends PC game anymore.
2) I kind of scoffed at the idea that there was so much tinkering to be done with PC's but the more I used it, god is it annoying. Despite good cooling even at idle the PC heats the room up so much that it's actually uncomfortable to sit in compared to the rest of the house and it's not like I live in some tropical country, I'm in Scotland. It's also way louder than I thought it would be, in the past I had PC's that were almost silent at idle and whilst it is a lot quieter at idle than load, it's still not anywhere near as quiet Macs are.
In my opinion, windows isn't really as bad as everyone makes out, but I really don't like the direction their going in and it also isn't better than Mac OS in my opinion. I prefer file manager, window snapping, mouse support just feels more responsive, the clicks feel better and scrolling feels better. I also find that things like disk utility are more reliable, often I find external drive just don't mount first time on Mac for whatever reason. I do think OSX has plenty of things that annoy me, but since I still use an iPhone, AirPods etc it's really hard to lose the ecosystem perks of iMessage, notes, airdrop, all that sort of thing. It's not until you lose it that you realise just how nice it is. All my passwords are in iCloud password manager, you log into something with 2FA so you need to pull out your phone and type it in rather than it just being detected and autofilled. These things all add up.
On windows I don't really find copilot to be all that intrusive as people make up, but I'm primarily using my computer for video editing and there are so many things that have more friction. Just pressing space bar to preview a photo / video on Mac is so much quicker just to preview things. There is Quick Look but it's slower and also there isn't native support for HEVC file format so you have to go and install that and then you realise it's not free on the Microsoft store!
I have USB-4 ports on my PC but for whatever reason I have struggled to get anything to support that transfer speed, I took for granted that things like ports just worked.
3) I've realised that in my old setup (docked MacBook Pro, Prodisplay XDR and Caldigit TS4) the friction points were the broken prodisplay XDR and the ****** cal digit TS4. I don't care what anyone says that dock sucks or I had a lemon, it only worked half the time. My prodisplay XDR got a bug which meant it would only sometimes work with my laptop which made the whole 'apple displays dont have an on button' thing really ****ing annoying. I'd just spend hours trying to get my stupid monitor to work. Luckily I sold that thing to someone that was using a desktop and didn't seem to care about the laptop issue so I still got good money and I don't have to deal with that stupid monitor.
4) For all the power in my PC, timeline performance in things like davinci resolve was no better than my Mac, and in some cases it was actually worse, which was really, really annoying, 4k playback with h265 footage from my fx3 didn't always play back smoothly and would drop frames without any effects and my Mac wouldn't do that. Obviously things like GPU effects are absolutely smashed by the RTX 5090 but if I am honest with myself I don't actually really need a 5090 and I just got caught up by all the hype and shortages. I'm just making YouTube videos it's not like I need high end noise reduction and colour as if I was making a Netflix special. I had some ambitions of doing 3d work with blender or whatever. In reality I bought a PC with specs for what I thought I 'might use', not what I really needed.
5) The PC parts for the most part that I bought have either appreciated like the 5090 fe is selling for £2600-2700 on ebay at the moment and when I paid £1799 for it, it's hard to ignore that.
I got generally quite fed up with all the frictions / annoyance with windows so for a test I just hooked my broken M2 Max MacBook Pro (screen is broken) to my monitor and surprisingly I've been quite enjoying it, it's a 240hz 4k oled and the text is crisp and colours seem good. Of course if I switch back to Mac I would be tempted by the studio display because I get caught up in the 'make everything apple' sentiment but given how annoying I found the prodisplay XDR not having a proper on button, I would be really hesitant to drop that much money on a studio display. I know many people have them and they're fine but I saw a YouTube reviewer who had 3x studio display/studio display XDR in and all three of them had various bugs / issues at one point or another. I don't know what it is with Apple and monitors but I've never had a monitor from another brand that had an issue with just displaying the picture properly and consistently.
So my current plan is to dismantle and gradually sell off the PC parts while the market is hot. Yes I do have a bit of a worry / FOMO that I couldn't easily build another PC given the direction the market is going, but I have to be honest with myself and realise that currently what I'm doing in life, a really expensive / high power desktop setup isn't actually what I need. So I will continue to use my broken M2 Max MacBook Pro setup and probably buy a 14 inch MacBook Pro after I've tested this setup for a while and decided whether I like it or not. In the past I have always found the lack of ports an annoying frustration so I end up with docks, but if I buy a Mac studio or a Mac mini I will then get annoyed that I can't just go and edit video on the couch or in a coffee shop or whatever.
Does anyone have a recommendation for a TB4 or TB5 dock. It doesn't have to be amazing at everything just needs to: have HDMI or displayport, enough power to charge monitor and MacBook Pro, ideally 10gb ethernet and a few USB A/C ports and that it. There's so many docks out there but most of them have pretty terrible reviews and got sucked in by that stupid caldigit thing that all the youtubers recommend and it's actually rubbish. Any thoughts?
I think the lesson I'm learning is:
1) I really don't have any desire to play PC games. I used to mainly play online shooters / RPG games and online shooters are just depressing if you are 40 and can't really compete with 12 year olds with mad reflexes and obviously MMORPG type games are just massive time sinks that I can't really get into, not did I even try because I just don't really have a motivation to game. I thought I would do my work and then use the PC to play games but in reality I don't want to sit at my desk longer than I have to and none of my friends PC game anymore.
2) I kind of scoffed at the idea that there was so much tinkering to be done with PC's but the more I used it, god is it annoying. Despite good cooling even at idle the PC heats the room up so much that it's actually uncomfortable to sit in compared to the rest of the house and it's not like I live in some tropical country, I'm in Scotland. It's also way louder than I thought it would be, in the past I had PC's that were almost silent at idle and whilst it is a lot quieter at idle than load, it's still not anywhere near as quiet Macs are.
In my opinion, windows isn't really as bad as everyone makes out, but I really don't like the direction their going in and it also isn't better than Mac OS in my opinion. I prefer file manager, window snapping, mouse support just feels more responsive, the clicks feel better and scrolling feels better. I also find that things like disk utility are more reliable, often I find external drive just don't mount first time on Mac for whatever reason. I do think OSX has plenty of things that annoy me, but since I still use an iPhone, AirPods etc it's really hard to lose the ecosystem perks of iMessage, notes, airdrop, all that sort of thing. It's not until you lose it that you realise just how nice it is. All my passwords are in iCloud password manager, you log into something with 2FA so you need to pull out your phone and type it in rather than it just being detected and autofilled. These things all add up.
On windows I don't really find copilot to be all that intrusive as people make up, but I'm primarily using my computer for video editing and there are so many things that have more friction. Just pressing space bar to preview a photo / video on Mac is so much quicker just to preview things. There is Quick Look but it's slower and also there isn't native support for HEVC file format so you have to go and install that and then you realise it's not free on the Microsoft store!
I have USB-4 ports on my PC but for whatever reason I have struggled to get anything to support that transfer speed, I took for granted that things like ports just worked.
3) I've realised that in my old setup (docked MacBook Pro, Prodisplay XDR and Caldigit TS4) the friction points were the broken prodisplay XDR and the ****** cal digit TS4. I don't care what anyone says that dock sucks or I had a lemon, it only worked half the time. My prodisplay XDR got a bug which meant it would only sometimes work with my laptop which made the whole 'apple displays dont have an on button' thing really ****ing annoying. I'd just spend hours trying to get my stupid monitor to work. Luckily I sold that thing to someone that was using a desktop and didn't seem to care about the laptop issue so I still got good money and I don't have to deal with that stupid monitor.
4) For all the power in my PC, timeline performance in things like davinci resolve was no better than my Mac, and in some cases it was actually worse, which was really, really annoying, 4k playback with h265 footage from my fx3 didn't always play back smoothly and would drop frames without any effects and my Mac wouldn't do that. Obviously things like GPU effects are absolutely smashed by the RTX 5090 but if I am honest with myself I don't actually really need a 5090 and I just got caught up by all the hype and shortages. I'm just making YouTube videos it's not like I need high end noise reduction and colour as if I was making a Netflix special. I had some ambitions of doing 3d work with blender or whatever. In reality I bought a PC with specs for what I thought I 'might use', not what I really needed.
5) The PC parts for the most part that I bought have either appreciated like the 5090 fe is selling for £2600-2700 on ebay at the moment and when I paid £1799 for it, it's hard to ignore that.
I got generally quite fed up with all the frictions / annoyance with windows so for a test I just hooked my broken M2 Max MacBook Pro (screen is broken) to my monitor and surprisingly I've been quite enjoying it, it's a 240hz 4k oled and the text is crisp and colours seem good. Of course if I switch back to Mac I would be tempted by the studio display because I get caught up in the 'make everything apple' sentiment but given how annoying I found the prodisplay XDR not having a proper on button, I would be really hesitant to drop that much money on a studio display. I know many people have them and they're fine but I saw a YouTube reviewer who had 3x studio display/studio display XDR in and all three of them had various bugs / issues at one point or another. I don't know what it is with Apple and monitors but I've never had a monitor from another brand that had an issue with just displaying the picture properly and consistently.
So my current plan is to dismantle and gradually sell off the PC parts while the market is hot. Yes I do have a bit of a worry / FOMO that I couldn't easily build another PC given the direction the market is going, but I have to be honest with myself and realise that currently what I'm doing in life, a really expensive / high power desktop setup isn't actually what I need. So I will continue to use my broken M2 Max MacBook Pro setup and probably buy a 14 inch MacBook Pro after I've tested this setup for a while and decided whether I like it or not. In the past I have always found the lack of ports an annoying frustration so I end up with docks, but if I buy a Mac studio or a Mac mini I will then get annoyed that I can't just go and edit video on the couch or in a coffee shop or whatever.
Does anyone have a recommendation for a TB4 or TB5 dock. It doesn't have to be amazing at everything just needs to: have HDMI or displayport, enough power to charge monitor and MacBook Pro, ideally 10gb ethernet and a few USB A/C ports and that it. There's so many docks out there but most of them have pretty terrible reviews and got sucked in by that stupid caldigit thing that all the youtubers recommend and it's actually rubbish. Any thoughts?
We have the same issue with renovations that I want to do at our primary residence but will probably have to wait until late summer.
It always feels better to make a small adjustment for an improvement. Or even to grab an old piece of gear that improves usability.
leemkule wrote:
In my opinion, windows isn't really as bad as everyone makes out, but I really don't like the direction their going in and it also isn't better than Mac OS in my opinion. I prefer file manager, window snapping, mouse support just feels more responsive, the clicks feel better and scrolling feels better. I also find that things like disk utility are more reliable, often I find external drive just don't mount first time on Mac for whatever reason. I do think OSX has plenty of things that annoy me, but since I still use an iPhone, AirPods etc it's really hard to lose the ecosystem perks of iMessage, notes, airdrop, all that sort of thing. It's not until you lose it that you realise just how nice it is. All my passwords are in iCloud password manager, you log into something with 2FA so you need to pull out your phone and type it in rather than it just being detected and autofilled. These things all add up.
I use Windows 11 without problems but I sometimes want to tweak it so that the environment is close to my macOS setup.
I haven't found reliability issues with Windows or macOS and external hardware. But I can adapt and fix issues that come up.
I am more worried about Tahoe than Windows 11 these days.
On windows I don't really find copilot to be all that intrusive as people make up, but I'm primarily using my computer for video editing and there are so many things that have more friction. Just pressing space bar to preview a photo / video on Mac is so much quicker just to preview things. There is Quick Look but it's slower and also there isn't native support for HEVC file format so you have to go and install that and then you realise it's not free on the Microsoft store!
I've disabled AI on Windows and macOS. I use it fine through the browser and I can switch between multiple AIs. I really don't see the usefulness on any of my devices. I prefer to use it as a service for portability between operating systems. I understand Microsoft, Intel, Samsung, nVidia and AMD trying to use it as lock-in but it looks like a hammer looking for a nail instead of useful solution. I actually like that Apple doesn't really have a solution though I wish that it was off by default.
I have USB-4 ports on my PC but for whatever reason I have struggled to get anything to support that transfer speed, I took for granted that things like ports just worked.
Getting NVMe drive enclosures to work with USB4, Thunderbolt 3, 4 and 5 is a journey. NVMe enclosures can have instability, compatibility with NVMe drives, compatibility with ports, and, in particular, issues working with Macs. Gen 3 drives usually work fine with enclosures, even those without great cooling. Gen 3 drives are coming back to the market after being very hard to find. I think that the reason is the insane prices of Gen 4 and Gen 5 drives and maybe some companies have restarted Fab lines on older processes for older tech.
The problem with Gen 4 and Gen 5 drives is that they generate a lot of heat which can result in instabilities with external enclosures. In general, they disconnect or worse. I have the OWC 1M2 and those provide enough cooling for me but they have compatibility issues with my iMac Pro. The iMac Pro is Thunderbolt 3 and the OWC 1M2 drops back to USB 3 speeds with that device. So I went to look for an enclosure that does proper Thunderbolt 3 and the Orico M2 series will do Thunderbolt 3 with older Intel Macs and Thunderbolt 4 on my Mac Studio or M1 Pro MacBook Pro. But the M2 has thermal issues with Gen 4 drives. So I put a Gen 3 drive in it and it flies for transfers on all of my equipment. I can put a Gen 4 drive in it if I use an external fan but that's a ridiculous solution.
Unfortunately it took a lot of experimentation to learn all of this and to find a good way to transfer a lot of files between machines. Apple not supporting USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 is part of the reason but another one is that external SSD drive makers don't support USB 4, Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4.
I'd like to to a modern Windows buiild with USB 4 but the ports on motherboards are only on the back. I have not seen a front-port solution using a media hub that supports USB 4 or Thunderbolt 4 yet. The M4 Max Studio supports Thunderbolt 4 and 5 on the rear ports as well. The front ports only support up to USB3 or 10 Gbps. The M3 Ultra supports Thunderbolt 5 on the front ports but I don't need an M3 Ultra.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
I generally don't play online games for that very reason. The only online game I'm playing currently is Fallout 76, and even then I play in a private world, i.e., no other players.
Even if you want to tinker with PCs, its not something that is cost justifiable in 2026. I have an old zen 2 3700x cpu. With the AMD announcement of AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800X3D being re-released at the end of June, I may try to jump on getting one of those. Just to prolong my desktop that much more.
I have a few problems with it, MS butchering their updates, forcing AI, and advertisements. I was using my thinkpad T14s, and got hit with one drive, edge, and some other recommendations. Not sure why I saw such an influx, but it was right after an update.
The time is now to take advantage of the high prices your components are going for.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
I don't see any ads, any more forced Co-Pilot, (you can disable it all), and my system is smooth and quick....when the Mobo is not acting up. I really don't have any issues with windows 11 itself. I do have issue with my current laptops motherboard as I have mentioned. Other than that, It's good to go here. My desktop is perfect. Lots of drive space, loads of ram, great graphics performance, fast cpu and I decent looking case. It looks industrial and "corporate" not gamey and flashy.
I have run comparisons on processing speeds for real world uses I use and my laptop is on par give or take a couple of percentage points with an M1 macbook Pro. I am fine with that speed to be honest. It gets 8 to 10 hrs of battery life and I have all the ports with me. For my desktop, it's faster than the 1st gen base model studio with upgraded graphics processor doing my work flows. Again, I am completely happy with the system. Plus if anything stops working I fix that part, not buy a new studio.
I almost went all mac but I would really not be happy since I do not like MacOS. I am hoping these new laptops will be the "macbook Pro" of the windows ecosystem and provide me with the hardware I have been dreaming about for the past 2 to 3 years. A 14 inch creators based laptop with touchscreen, good performance, and full sized SD reader.
I have run comparisons on processing speeds for real world uses I use and my laptop is on par give or take a couple of percentage points with an M1 macbook Pro. I am fine with that speed to be honest. It gets 8 to 10 hrs of battery life and I have all the ports with me. For my desktop, it's faster than the 1st gen base model studio with upgraded graphics processor doing my work flows. Again, I am completely happy with the system. Plus if anything stops working I fix that part, not buy a new studio.
I almost went all mac but I would really not be happy since I do not like MacOS. I am hoping these new laptops will be the "macbook Pro" of the windows ecosystem and provide me with the hardware I have been dreaming about for the past 2 to 3 years. A 14 inch creators based laptop with touchscreen, good performance, and full sized SD reader.
chilly willy
macrumors regular
I straddle the fence mainly because of PC gaming. Component pricing due to AI data center demand killing the hobby of assembling your own rig. I sure wish Apple would become a stronger option for gaming, but get that's not where money is for them. Thankfully I upgraded my RAM and GPU before this pricing craziness. That said, after buying the GPU learned a lot more, mainly after I found GamersNexus, about Jensen Huang and the rest of the GPU/RAM/etc. oligarchs. What a swell group of folks! I guess Jensen's ubiquitous overpriced leather jackets that scream "Look at me. I'm a cool guy now" won't pay for themselves. I just hope he can lecture me more about what I should think about AI and even geopolitics. smh
Alas, the goal seems to be for us to eventually rent computing virtually, at least for gaming. Subscription for everything. Yay.
Alas, the goal seems to be for us to eventually rent computing virtually, at least for gaming. Subscription for everything. Yay.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
It's not just the gaming inudstry my friend. It's EVERY industry. There are subscriptions for everything. It's insane. Until the general public rises up and stops paying, it will not change. That's why the say goes. If purchasing is not owning piracy is not stealing has started.
It's a wild freaking world out there now and I, more and more, want to go up in the woods to live away from it all.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
Not too close though. We can be close enough to share resources, but not close enough to see each other. ha ha ha.
skodises
Contributor
I anxiously await Musk or Bezos or Zuckerberg or Ellison to announce the introduction of BaaS (Breathing as a Service)…
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
Too funny.
On the flip/flop. I am back to the macbook pro seeing as the base model P14 is support to start at 5000 us. AHHHHH. NO. I will get the 14 inch m5 mbp with 24gb of ram and 1tb for 2699 cdn. Plus then I get proven hardware and just deal with MacOS.
EDIT: If the base model of the P14 starts lower and the 128gb model is 5g plus I would consider that. IF there is such a thing? We will know later this summer. As I have said many times, windows 11 does not bother me and I rather enjoy it. But, I need a new laptop and it's getting hard to get one to fit my requirements.
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Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
besides the screen on the M2, what other reliability issues have you had with macbooks? I consider apple hardware the most reliable.