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Here is my take on this issue. Like others here I have used Microsoft since MSDOS days and everything since. The last Windows OS I liked was XP, after that MicroSoft should have hired The Elephant Man to be their spokesman it started to get ever more bloated and problematic. With Windows 10 it seemed like everytime I started to use it something was wrong. Patch Tuesday mantra is "What will we break today at Windows". I had wanted a Mac for years but I was in a rut just assembling another Windows Machine. The Pandemic put an end to that. I could not get the motherboard, an ASUS ROG, and the Ryzen CPU. As a stop gap I purchased a refurbished $180 USD, Lenovo micro desktop. It came preloaded with Windows 10 pro. I am a ham radio operator and one of the uses I have for a PC is rig control and the digital modes. It turned out this little PC with a i5 Intel did and is doing a great job. Sadly there is not much ham radio software written for the Mac and only a couple for the iPhone, or iPad. So for me the solution is both. I plan on getting an AMD based ASUS Mini PC PN51-S1 which has the form factor of my Mac Studio. The PN51 will do the radios, and the Mac Studio will do everything else.
 
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Gigabyte M28U packed up for RMA, apparently coil whine isn't an accepted fault by the manufacturer so I have to pay shipping. Mad that a high pitched squeal is considered fine.
I'm not a fan of Gigabyte motherboards. I'm happy with my MSI, but I hear ASUS is good as well.
 
I eagerly await your photographic adventures and then we can discuss our leica-fuji, canon-nikon flip flops too

Fuji used camera prices are mental right now, so considering putting my name on a waiting list for a X100V. I had one in 2020 and loved it.
 
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I'm not a fan of Gigabyte motherboards. I'm happy with my MSI, but I hear ASUS is good as well.
Yea same, I use MSI for motherboards. Currently using the MSI MPG Z760I in this build.
 
Fuji used camera prices are mental right now, so considering putting my name on a waiting list for a X100V. I had one in 2020 and loved it.
I am shooting an X-S1 and X10 now and love them both. Both have the same sensor and I have 2 pre programmed setups. Both look exactly the same in output.
 
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my first ever slr was a fuji stx-1 back in the day :) and I'm really pleased to see them do well in digital. I love the output I really do
Agree, Fujis have "something". I shoot all brands really. My number 1 and 2 are the two compact fujis right now. I am gathering some old Olympus E-volt system gear now. Cheap, and the E1/3/5 are tanks for wildlife/outdoor shooting. Toss them in a river to clean them off, pick them up and move on! ha ha.

As for motherboards, I am ABA. Anything but Asus. I purchased 3 asus devices at the same time for our business some years back. They all developed ghost touching screen issues within 3 months...Asus would not warranty them, and basically told me to get bent. Therefore, Asus will never get a penny from me again. I like Gigabyte for my boards.
 
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Decided that I'll stick with my original reason for ditching a dedicated camera; the inconvenience of taking it out and the increasing quality of phone cameras being good enough.

Another thing to add to the list of why I love Apple; I don't have to deal with this type of issue. Bought a set of speakers, the housing doesn't match the colour of the front. Straight back to Amazon.

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Front is pure white and housing is off white!

I did end up buying a GPU today, a used Gigabyte Vision OC 3080 came up for sale on a forum I frequent. Should allow a little 4K gaming if the mood strikes. £425.

Going to give the HP Omen 27u ago as the Gigabyte M28U is a no go.
 
Decided that I'll stick with my original reason for ditching a dedicated camera; the inconvenience of taking it out and the increasing quality of phone cameras being good enough.

yeah it's incredible what they're doing with those tiny lenses and software. I know years ago people would have sworn it wouldn't be possible to get such great images with such a tiny lens.

Another thing to add to the list of why I love Apple; I don't have to deal with this type of issue. Bought a set of speakers, the housing doesn't match the colour of the front. Straight back to Amazon.

Front is pure white and housing is off white!

horrible :( I recently sent something back for the same reason. Was made fun of by the family, but I stare at this stuff day in day out and it would annoy me continually.

I did end up buying a GPU today, a used Gigabyte Vision OC 3080 came up for sale on a forum I frequent. Should allow a little 4K gaming if the mood strikes. £425.

Going to give the HP Omen 27u ago as the Gigabyte M28U is a no go.

sounds good!
 
Here is my take on this issue. Like others here I have used Microsoft since MSDOS days and everything since. The last Windows OS I liked was XP, after that MicroSoft should have hired The Elephant Man to be their spokesman it started to get ever more bloated and problematic. With Windows 10 it seemed like everytime I started to use it something was wrong. Patch Tuesday mantra is "What will we break today at Windows". I had wanted a Mac for years but I was in a rut just assembling another Windows Machine. The Pandemic put an end to that. I could not get the motherboard, an ASUS ROG, and the Ryzen CPU. As a stop gap I purchased a refurbished $180 USD, Lenovo micro desktop. It came preloaded with Windows 10 pro. I am a ham radio operator and one of the uses I have for a PC is rig control and the digital modes. It turned out this little PC with a i5 Intel did and is doing a great job. Sadly there is not much ham radio software written for the Mac and only a couple for the iPhone, or iPad. So for me the solution is both. I plan on getting an AMD based ASUS Mini PC PN51-S1 which has the form factor of my Mac Studio. The PN51 will do the radios, and the Mac Studio will do everything else.
If you're still thinking about the PN51, don't. I had that thing before (exactly the same model, PN51-S1), and the fan noise was unbelievably annoying. It sounded like a mid 2000s cheap laptop -- extremely whiny and high-pitched. Worst is that the fan comes on whenever there is any boost load. Have tried sticking the thing under the table, but was still audible if the room is quiet enough. Ended up selling the thing super cheap just to get rid of it.
 
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If you're still thinking about the PN51, don't. I had that thing before (exactly the same model, PN51-S1), and the fan noise was unbelievably annoying. It sounded like a mid 2000s cheap laptop -- extremely whiny and high-pitched. Worst is that the fan comes on whenever there is any boost load. Have tried sticking the thing under the table, but was still audible if the room is quiet enough. Ended up selling the thing super cheap just to get rid of it.
Thanks for the warning. I will look elsewhere, I suppose I could just stick a new motherboard in my present Corsair case. I could do it fairly cheap now.
 
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I'm like many of the older folks. I used DOS 3.x, Windows 1, OS/2 etc. I played some games (Kings Quest anyone?). I used Macs on occasion but always went back to my Windows machines. I really liked building them. I headed into Mac land many moons ago. I have an iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, Apple TV, Apple Studio with Apple display, and a Macbook Pro 16. But I also own a Lenovo T7 desktop and an LG Gram. I do drive my wife crazy.

I like the newer Mac hardware but hate the pricing structure for upgrading. I can live with MacOS but it has shortcomings for sure. I greatly dislike Apple as a company. This makes me look at Windows and Windows hardware. But when I try to switch, I only dip a toe in the water and do not go "all-in". I might be surfing on my LG Gram, set it down, come back and grab my Macbook Pro. So I am not really giving Windows a full chance. So instead of figuring out how to do things and have workarounds for my Apple garden, I set the Windows down and get on a Mac.

I drive my wife crazy but remind her it's cheaper than me doing drugs or gambling. She won't let me sell any computers anymore really. She figures in a month or two, I will want the other platform. She said putting those machines in a closet "until the next time" is cheaper than re-buying. I think she is right.
 
I drive my wife crazy but remind her it's cheaper than me doing drugs or gambling. She won't let me sell any computers anymore really. She figures in a month or two, I will want the other platform. She said putting those machines in a closet "until the next time" is cheaper than re-buying. I think she is right.

yeah same here :)

Why do you dislike Apple as a company? I like their attention to design, their efforts towards privacy and I think the apple silicon was a brilliant move. Add that to the silent or nearly silent laptops and it's something I'll pay more for.

I just don't love the lack of customisation, the having to do it Apple's way or no way.
 
Apple makes great products but I dislike the corporate hubris and arrogance. They overcharge, they know it, and give you the middle finger as you complete your purchase. They are very slow to adopt certain technologies or features "because you don't need it". They have let software and some hardware become more unreliable than in the past. However, it's hard to argue their outrageous success following a more financial model rather than a technology model.
Mac Pro wheels $700? A Pro display that needs an additional $999 freaking stand? I just feel like I'm getting kicked in the a** when I pay $3K+ for a notebook. Unfortunately, the Windows world is not stepping up with quality hardware in my opinion. Just big, heavy, hot machines for portables.
 
Apple makes great products but I dislike the corporate hubris and arrogance. They overcharge, they know it, and give you the middle finger as you complete your purchase. They are very slow to adopt certain technologies or features "because you don't need it". They have let software and some hardware become more unreliable than in the past. However, it's hard to argue their outrageous success following a more financial model rather than a technology model.
Mac Pro wheels $700? A Pro display that needs an additional $999 freaking stand? I just feel like I'm getting kicked in the a** when I pay $3K+ for a notebook. Unfortunately, the Windows world is not stepping up with quality hardware in my opinion. Just big, heavy, hot machines for portables.

yeah agree with all of that, hard not to really!

I don't mind them being expensive but yeah when they price wheels/stands like that, it's hard not to think they're really gouging people.
 
Apple makes great products but I dislike the corporate hubris and arrogance. They overcharge, they know it, and give you the middle finger as you complete your purchase. They are very slow to adopt certain technologies or features "because you don't need it". They have let software and some hardware become more unreliable than in the past. However, it's hard to argue their outrageous success following a more financial model rather than a technology model.
Mac Pro wheels $700? A Pro display that needs an additional $999 freaking stand? I just feel like I'm getting kicked in the a** when I pay $3K+ for a notebook. Unfortunately, the Windows world is not stepping up with quality hardware in my opinion. Just big, heavy, hot machines for portables.
You make a good point. Until this Mac Studio the last Apple computer I had was an Apple II back about 1984. Nice machine but it would not run the engineering software I was using, so it was off the Microsoft. I was very happy with my PC's but as I got older and less tolerant with crap software I started to get real annoyed with MicroSoft OS's. Of course M$ fundamental problem is growing their OS's on a foundation of legacy crappola. I make a joke about cyber Archaeologists 1000 years from now on a virtual dig in Whatever Windows might be around at that future date. They are overjoyed to find a horizon layer that still has MSDOS 3.X sort of a cyber King Tut's tomb. The smiling face of the person who found it points to a line of code actually written by Bill Gates himself, and one that he didn't steal from somebody else.

My last assembled PC was a AMD 9590 hotrod, on a nice ASUS ROG motherboard. I had it in a Corsair full tower. With a total of 6 HDD, and 4 SDD I was in digital packrat paradise. The ASUS board croaked in an unrecoverable BIOS problem. it even took out the onboard hard backup. It died shortly after one of the Patch Tuesdays so I have unfounded suspicions. I finally got the Mac Studio simply because I wanted a computer that worked.

I run distributed computing. This is were you volunteer your unused time on you computer to work on data sets. Been doing this for more than 15 years. It has long been a benchmark for my assemble systems. The Bionc Manager software keeps a running log of your systems it is kind of fun to look at all of the self built computer I have had. And It is running on this Mac Studio. What is astonishing to me is the Mac is solving the data sets faster then the AMD hotrod and while the ASUS was drawing a total of 350 to 400 Watts to do what it did The Mac Studio usually is running 10 to 15 Watt peaking at around 30 Watts.

The cost of peripherals for Mac and iOS stuff is not cool. I can get Anker 15 port USD 3.1 powered hubs for around $100 bucks. But put a thunderbolt port on it and the adds $200 bucks more, why? Paying hundreds for a internal SDD that you can purchase in a external drive for hundreds less. My Mac Studio has a 1 TB internal and I have a 14 TB Seagate one touch external Hud plugged in sitting beside it. I am going to setup a NAS with a pair of maybe 20 TB HDD's and both the PC and the Mac will be able to make use of it. I did mention I am a digital packrat.
 
You make a good point. Until this Mac Studio the last Apple computer I had was an Apple II back about 1984. Nice machine but it would not run the engineering software I was using, so it was off the Microsoft. I was very happy with my PC's but as I got older and less tolerant with crap software I started to get real annoyed with MicroSoft OS's. Of course M$ fundamental problem is growing their OS's on a foundation of legacy crappola. I make a joke about cyber Archaeologists 1000 years from now on a virtual dig in Whatever Windows might be around at that future date. They are overjoyed to find a horizon layer that still has MSDOS 3.X sort of a cyber King Tut's tomb. The smiling face of the person who found it points to a line of code actually written by Bill Gates himself, and one that he didn't steal from somebody else.

My last assembled PC was a AMD 9590 hotrod, on a nice ASUS ROG motherboard. I had it in a Corsair full tower. With a total of 6 HDD, and 4 SDD I was in digital packrat paradise. The ASUS board croaked in an unrecoverable BIOS problem. it even took out the onboard hard backup. It died shortly after one of the Patch Tuesdays so I have unfounded suspicions. I finally got the Mac Studio simply because I wanted a computer that worked.

I run distributed computing. This is were you volunteer your unused time on you computer to work on data sets. Been doing this for more than 15 years. It has long been a benchmark for my assemble systems. The Bionc Manager software keeps a running log of your systems it is kind of fun to look at all of the self built computer I have had. And It is running on this Mac Studio. What is astonishing to me is the Mac is solving the data sets faster then the AMD hotrod and while the ASUS was drawing a total of 350 to 400 Watts to do what it did The Mac Studio usually is running 10 to 15 Watt peaking at around 30 Watts.

The cost of peripherals for Mac and iOS stuff is not cool. I can get Anker 15 port USD 3.1 powered hubs for around $100 bucks. But put a thunderbolt port on it and the adds $200 bucks more, why? Paying hundreds for a internal SDD that you can purchase in a external drive for hundreds less. My Mac Studio has a 1 TB internal and I have a 14 TB Seagate one touch external Hud plugged in sitting beside it. I am going to setup a NAS with a pair of maybe 20 TB HDD's and both the PC and the Mac will be able to make use of it. I did mention I am a digital packrat.
I highly doubt “patch Tuesday” took out the asus. The brand itself is low quality. Nothing I owned with Asus on the box lasted any time all all. That was just coincidence. I don’t get everyone’s fascination with efficiency when it comes to Desktop units. It’s for power useage, not battery life. I will take a powerful system that kills a M mac any day of the week.
 
I highly doubt “patch Tuesday” took out the asus. The brand itself is low quality. Nothing I owned with Asus on the box lasted any time all all. That was just coincidence. I don’t get everyone’s fascination with efficiency when it comes to Desktop units. It’s for power useage, not battery life. I will take a powerful system that kills a M mac any day of the week.
Of course it was a coincidence. ASUS motherboards, I used them for over 10 years with good results. I am really not sure what happened to cause the trouble with this last one. As for power trying to compare a RISC processor with a CISC processor is almost apples and oranges. The people who compare the power between a M1's and M2's, and the intel, AMD processors it usually boils down to what camp the tester is in Mac, or PC. For me it isn't just have the fastest hot to trot CPU it is the operating system. I have been into computers since the early 1970's I have been through machine language to the earliest Windows machines. As I have said I have reached the point that all I want is a computer that I don't have to mess with all of the time. I miss XP for that reason I never shut down my computers they are powered 24/7 I let them manage their power state. My XP machine would keep going for months on end, only restarting with updates.

For years I have put up with abuse from forums where the mere mention of a iPhone would get you flamed. As I have said I will continue to maintain a Windows machine. I didn't get a Mac to pollute it with Windows. I have never liked intel processors, I have been a fan of AMD processors since the AMD K5 back than it was sort of a counter culture thing plus they were, and are so much cheaper.
 
Of course it was a coincidence. ASUS motherboards, I used them for over 10 years with good results. I am really not sure what happened to cause the trouble with this last one. As for power trying to compare a RISC processor with a CISC processor is almost apples and oranges. The people who compare the power between a M1's and M2's, and the intel, AMD processors it usually boils down to what camp the tester is in Mac, or PC. For me it isn't just have the fastest hot to trot CPU it is the operating system. I have been into computers since the early 1970's I have been through machine language to the earliest Windows machines. As I have said I have reached the point that all I want is a computer that I don't have to mess with all of the time. I miss XP for that reason I never shut down my computers they are powered 24/7 I let them manage their power state. My XP machine would keep going for months on end, only restarting with updates.

For years I have put up with abuse from forums where the mere mention of a iPhone would get you flamed. As I have said I will continue to maintain a Windows machine. I didn't get a Mac to pollute it with Windows. I have never liked intel processors, I have been a fan of AMD processors since the AMD K5 back than it was sort of a counter culture thing plus they were, and are so much cheaper.
I have also used lots of Asus products and they have all been fine. Right now I have an Asus Zephyrus G14 that has been amazing. Love me some Asus!
 
The more I think of it the more I think I will assemble a new PC into my case after All I have a 1200 Watt Corsair platinum power supply. Yes I know it is awesomely more than I actually need but I managed to get it brand new on the cheap when the the bitcoin mining bubble popped for awhile and no one was buying these big honking power supplies. because I was hardly using its capacity it cooling hardly ever came on.
 
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I have always opped for one of the Asus Republic of Gaming (ROG) motherboards. I am not a gamer but ASUS equips the ROG mobo's with the Xonar Essence audio chip sets. The latest are 9.1. With My Yamaha AVR I just run a coaxial digital cable to it. Set the software up for WASAPI out and enjoy the sound.
 
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