Iridescent Caterpillar
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I don't want to deal with multiple devices anymore but want to have the benefits of an iPad mini sometimes. Also you greatly underestimate the cost of a loaded out MBP. š
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Foldable 'iPhone Ultra' Rumored to Come in These Two Colors
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Anyone else think it's a mistake that Apple didn't wait / figure out how to get the best possible cameras into this "Ultra" iPhone?
I'm a little surprised by this answer. The problem it solves is being able to use an iPad mini, fold it in half and stick it in your pocket. And you can make phone calls from it / do everything else you do with your iPhone. That isn't a problem the majority of people have, but it is a problem that a niche subset of power users like me have.
Mr_Ed
macrumors 68000
Not taking away from your perceived benefits since at the end of the day, we each do what we think works for us. But understand that the benefits you refer to center around the ability to use more āseriousā applications on the go and to some of us, the efficiency of engaging in those tasks in a touch device with a small screen is compromised when compared to using a larger screen, physical keyboard, and mouse, for example. Itās more of a āusing the right tool for the taskā mentality. With that mindset, trying to accomplish those tasks in a compromised device is just plain painful.
poorcody
macrumors 68000
Any yet, the similarly designed Galaxy Fold 8 has been selling like hotcakes. The largest pre-sell release of any Samsung phone in history.
Galaxy Z Fold 8 destroys pre-order record set by the late Note 10, and it isn't over yet
Samsungās Galaxy Z Fold 8 series, alongside the Flip 8, has broken 1.44 million sales during the pre-order phase, smashing...
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Agree with you mostly. In practice, using a big touch screen for "laptop class" applications is a little uncomfortable some of the time. Web browsing is probably the biggest win for these folds, and that includes work-oriented web browsing and use of web apps.
As a past Z Fold 2, 4, and currently 5 owner, I've recently come to the conclusion that these Folds won't replace the workflow efficiencies afforded by a full-size hardware keyboard and super-quick drag and drop file management. However, I would argue that these Folds can replace an iPad, or certainly an iPad mini. That's still a win in my book.
The tri-fold also seems cool, possibly a little burdensome for the day-to-day smartphone use aspect. However I totally agree with you about how transformative these fold devices are, at least for power users.
And in two years, you'll be able to find this wobbly, bouncy Fold at every gum machine for a fraction of the price.Any yet, the similarly designed Galaxy Fold 8 has been selling like hotcakes. The largest pre-sell release of any Samsung phone in history.
Galaxy Z Fold 8 destroys pre-order record set by the late Note 10, and it isn't over yet
Samsungās Galaxy Z Fold 8 series, alongside the Flip 8, has broken 1.44 million sales during the pre-order phase, smashing...
poorcody
macrumors 68000
I don't know why they didn't do it (cost, technical, ?), but Samsung did exactly the same thing, so it must be more than choice. And if it would have delayed the phone another year to do so, no, I don't think waiting would have been wise. I've been waiting for a folding iPhone for years. Time for them to get in the game.
klasma
macrumors G4
joefrank64k
macrumors 6502a
It's just the new Apple thing. People will buy it just for the attention it gets them.
I think that image is a great example.
Is the display bigger? Yes.
Is it so much bigger that it justifies developing some contraption flip-flap that costs twice as much as the Pro Max? No.
The display is a little bigger. Not two or three times bigger.
Foldables are a gimmick. You can get almost the same effect by simply rotating the Pro Max between landscape and portrait.
Why does Apple refuse to release a phone thatās just āblackā? iPhone 7ās black (not jet black) was the best. Matte, high-tech, stealthy, elegant.
Eggtastic
macrumors 65816
I think it's by design to make you consider an upgrade a year or two down the road.
I think the fold 8 looks great and like the form factor. I will most likely be upgrading to the 18 PM for the cameras and wait and see what gen 2 or 3 brings for the apple fold camera wise.
I only use my 14 PM and my M1 MBP. A fold replacing my traditional slab phone could make sense a few years from now but again well see what it offers.
I also considered a new hobby of photography and just getting a dedicated camera.
Hopefully the dark blue doesn't have oxidation issues.
Yeah good point. I actually agree with you that it doesn't need the best cameras today versus waiting another year... my thought process is that for a non-Foldable literate audience, isn't the super obvious weak point of this thing going to be the lack of flagship cameras? If Apple is trying to capture a meaningful segment of the mainstream, it seems like an obvious dealbreker / making it easy to talk yourself out of purchasing by going this route. If Apple only cared about the Fold-specific demographic, then they can afford to do this. If Apple wants to ship 10 million units and convince otherwise-Pro buyers to get the best, I question the efficacy of this omission. But I don't know what Apple's strategy is here and clearly they thought a lot about it. For me I'm leaning toward gen 2 or possibly a half-price used one down the line. My pristine Z Fold 5 I just bought for $388 is serving me extremely well as a second wifi-only device.
Depends on your use obviously, but if you extensively use spreadsheets and web applications of various types, including relatively sophisticated ERP software, iOS can take you pretty far in a tablet form factor.
klasma
macrumors G4
The size difference is 90% of the size difference between the iPhone mini and the Pro Max, so Iād say itās more than āa littleā.
Maybe this picture is more illustrative:
Whether itās āworth itā is subjective. But these devices sell for a reason.
Re Samsung's strategy, it's likely because Samsung is heavily invested in the square-ish Fold (now Ultra) form factor they pioneered, so ditching it entirely for the new unproven passport-style isn't viable. The old design (Z Fold 8 Ultra) benefits from having differentiating features from the plain 8, otherwise it creates product-parity confusion. Z Fold 8 Ultra has also already had triple cameras for years, so keeping them off of the passport-style 8 helps position the 8 one step closer to the Z Flip and away from the Z Fold 8 Ultra.
Agreed that video content isn't the best reason to get the Fold over the Pro Max. The Folds benefit on video size at the margins, but the real gains come from web browsing, using web apps, spreadsheets, PDF editing etc.
klasma
macrumors G4
Not the single best. But people are getting a Pro Max over a Pro for that reason, and even just the relative size increase of video on the Ultra over the Pro Max is bigger than what you gain on the Pro Max over the Pro. Itās not something that can be dismissed as marginal.