Foldable iPhones Could Have Self-Heating Displays to Avoid Damage in Cold Weather

[cmaier]

I don't think many cyclists would fit a £1600 /$2000phone on their handlebars
I use a phone in a special pouch at my handlebars for Strava and Mapmyride. However it need to be a 5 inch device. My Huawei P20 Pro won't fit. My Lenovo P2 just fits when taken out of its case. I keep my active phone in the beast pocket of my cycling jacket.

That wasn’t his point. His point was that even CURRENT phones have issues with exposure to the cold, so certainly a phone with a much softer plastic screen would be even more susceptible to this issue in the real world.

 

[Ramchi]

Self-healing display tech introduced by LG many years ago when they first introduced their curved OLED mobile....

 

[DNichter]

Like I said, you don't understand patent applications. Companies do submit applications on things they aren't working on. I explained possible reasons in an earlier post.

Okay, good to know. Thanks for the information. I will refer to you for any future patent discussions.
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Stop right there, I don't need to hear one more time your excuses regarding the iPad Pro.
And you conveniently ignore that all the latest iPad pros have very poor structural integrity(which is something I clearly mentioned in my post).
Are you payed by the post or something?


At this point anything you try to say is irrelevant anyway.

I don't need to know the specific engineering behind the manufacturing issues, although I know it was related to heating and cooling, to understand that it's not an issue that affects every iPad Pro. I have one that isn't bent, so mine did not run into this same problem.

 

[ROGmaster]

I don't need to know the specific engineering behind the manufacturing issues, although I know it was related to heating and cooling, to understand that it's not an issue that affects every iPad Pro. I have one that isn't bent, so mine did not run into this same problem.

Oh excuse me Mr. To expect perfection is as ignorant as it gets but the poor structural integrity thing does apply to every new ipad pro.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

That wasn’t his point. His point was that even CURRENT phones have issues with exposure to the cold, so certainly a phone with a much softer plastic screen would be even more susceptible to this issue in the real world.

Are you a materials specialist? And even if you are, I suspect you know nothing about the plastic screen that Samsung are using in this new device. So you are not in a position to comment on any environmental issues with screens Samsung have been working on for years.

 

[cmaier]

Are you a materials specialist? And even if you are, I suspect you know nothing about the plastic screen that Samsung are using in this new device. So you are not in a position to comment on any environmental issues with screens Samsung have been working on for years.

Actually, yes I am. No, I don’t know the particular qualities of Samsung’s screen, but I do know that it has to be softer than typical glass screens, and polymers are subject to brittling in cold weather. It’s possible Samsung has solved this somehow, but as a general rule, cold weather would be a concern for any soft polymer material.

 

[DNichter]

Oh excuse me Mr. To expect perfection is as ignorant as it gets but the poor structural integrity thing does apply to every new ipad pro.

As I mentioned, I was talking about manufacturing. I know I know, the comprehension thing. I keep forgetting. There will always be some manufacturing issues, it happens all the time, but that doesn't mean there is necessarily poor structural integrity. Anyway, way off topic and we have hijacked this thread.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

Actually, yes I am. No, I don’t know the particular qualities of Samsung’s screen, but I do know that it has to be softer than typical glass screens, and polymers are subject to brittling in cold weather. It’s possible Samsung has solved this somehow, but as a general rule, cold weather would be a concern for any soft polymer material.

Which was my exact point. You are not in a position to comment on Samsungs cutting edge technology.

 

[ROGmaster]

That wasn’t his point. His point was that even CURRENT phones have issues with exposure to the cold, so certainly a phone with a much softer plastic screen would be even more susceptible to this issue in the real world.

Generally Samsung's phones work just fine in freezing weather. In my own experience they are way better than iphones in the same conditions.
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As I mentioned, I was talking about manufacturing. .

Which is irrelevant taking in consideration my point was specifically regarding the structural integrity of the devices(the bent ipads are just a symptom of weak structural integrity).

I know I know, the comprehension thing. I keep forgetting.

Well it perfectly applies to you. You shouldn't forget it, but you do.

There will always be some manufacturing issues, it happens all the time, but that doesn't mean there is necessarily poor structural integrity.

Really? because that's exactly what teardowns have proved.

Anyway, way off topic and we have hijacked this thread

OK Mr. To expect perfection is as ignorant as it gets, I bet you will quote me again on what I wrote.
You can't stand being wrong even if it's obvious you can't do anything about it.

 

[DNichter]

Generally Samsung's phones work just fine in freezing weather. In my own experience they are way better than iphones in the same conditions.
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Which is irrelevant taking in consideration my point was specifically regarding the structural integrity of the devices(the bent ipads are just a symptom of weak structural integrity).

Well it perfectly applies to you. You shouldn't forget it, but you do.


Really? because that's exactly what teardowns have proved.


OK Mr. To expect perfection is as ignorant as it gets, I bet you will quote me again on what I wrote.
You can't stand being wrong even if it's obvious you can't do anything about it.

I have no issue being wrong. I admitted earlier that my original post may have been somewhat vague so I updated it and helped clarify for you. We just happen to disagree when it comes to what you consider a structural integrity issue (Apple said it was due to cooling and heating in the manufacturing process), if we should expect perfection when it comes to manufacturing millions of devices, whether or not a screen crease is acceptable in a product, and many other things. That's okay, we don't have to agree on everything.

 

[tooltalk]

It seems Apple *has* to make a foldable iPhone to be able to "keep up" with the competition.

Making it will also create the idea that Apple is copying, not innovating.

Sure, Apple wil make a better foldable iPhone (what shall we call it... FiPhone? iPhone F? iPhone FSX Max?) than the current offerings.. but still...

eh? According to my sources, Samsung already sent their foldable display samples to smartphone OEMs last year, which includes Google, Apple, etc.. so I guess we are going to see foldable displays from at least major smartphone makers in a year or so.

You seriously don't think Apple *makes* their own displays, do you?

 

[samwight]

The problem (for me) with the current crop of foldables is that they're as big folded as my phone unfolded, and more than twice as fat and twice as heavy.

My phone is already too big, so what I would like is a phone with the *same* screen size and same weight, but that folds to half the size (and twice the thickness). I'd be all over that form factor....

 

[ROGmaster]

I have no issue being wrong.

Yeah sure sure.

We just happen to disagree when it comes to what you consider a structural integrity issue
(Apple said it was due to cooling and heating in the manufacturing process), if we should expect perfection when it comes to manufacturing millions of devices, whether or not a screen crease is acceptable in a product, and many other things.

Yeah the distortion field is very strong with this one.
ipads bend by themselves because of how structurally strong they are. Makes a lot of sense.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B

 

[Napalm Doctor]

Right now it's a fad...

Give it a couple years for the tech to get better, the software to come around, concept to become popular. I think wearable are going to become main connecting point to internet with these foldable kind of device becoming the media consumption thingy.

Just my wild opinion...

 

[DNichter]

Yeah sure sure.

Yeah the distortion field is very strong with this one.
ipads bend by themselves because of how structurally strong they are. Makes a lot of sense.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B

Yes, those iPad's are bending "by themselves", not by force or anything.

 

[trillionaire]

It seems Apple *has* to make a foldable iPhone to be able to "keep up" with the competition.

Making it will also create the idea that Apple is copying, not innovating.

Sure, Apple wil make a better foldable iPhone (what shall we call it... FiPhone? iPhone F? iPhone FSX Max?) than the current offerings.. but still...

It's not keeping up with the competition if all manufacturers are working on it simultaneously but some release a version that is not up to par just to be first. When the Fold launched everyone was saying that it's very innovative, but shortly after the Mate X was released and now people are saying that the Fold looks like a relic compared to it.

That's just it, you can rush it and release something innovative but you may not make a good product. I'm not saying the Fold isn't a good product, time will tell, but you can't knock Apple for taking their time and releasing something they are happy with. Assuming they are actually working on something like this.

 

[ROGmaster]

Yes, those iPad's are bending "by themselves", not by force or anything.

Yeah literally a baby could do it. I'm obviously talking about the 2018 version, the one in the first clip was obviously much much stronger. But both are made by the same company.

I bet that the next ipad versions they will at least have multiple reinforcements around the different current structural weak points and will probably also use better aluminum(something that's not as soft as the one they are currently using in the 2018 models). So iphone 6 > iphone 6s all over again.

 

[Tick410]

What?

Batteries already die in cold situations on iPhone. There was just a thread on that. Unless you are a kangaroo and keep your phone in your pouch, seems like your phone can get cold.

It said screen. Not battery case.

 

[mattster16]

Yeah because your doubts count as proof.

Well considering Apple just patented it makes it pretty clear Samsung and Huawei have not implemented something like it.

 

[ROGmaster]

Well considering Apple just patented it makes it pretty clear Samsung and Huawei have not implemented something like it.

Really? Why does it make it clear?

 

[DNichter]

Yeah literally a baby could do it. I'm obviously talking about the 2018 version, the one in the first clip was obviously much much stronger. But both are made by the same company.

I bet that the next ipad versions they will at least have multiple reinforcements around the different current structural weak points and will probably also use better aluminum(something that's not as soft as the one they are currently using in the 2018 models). So iphone 6 > iphone 6s all over again.

Haha, this is getting comical. Moving on.

 

[ROGmaster]

Haha, this is getting comical. Moving on.

So no more made up, illogical excuses.
OK Mr. To expect perfection is as ignorant as it gets.

 

[teamgibbs]

This technology is incredibly sketchy now and will be for a few years.

 

[cmaier]

It said screen. Not battery case.

Yes. You are taking that quote out of context. The context was: "body keep phone warm. phone no need to worry about being cold." Response: "body not keep phone warm. even current phones affected by cold." Because if bodies kept phones warm, you wouldn't have to worry about the batteries in the cold.

But thanks for chiming in.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

Well considering Apple just patented it makes it pretty clear Samsung and Huawei have not implemented something like it.

Apple have submitted a patent application. Doesn't state that a patent has been granted.

Plenty of US patents are granted on technology that already has implementations because the searches are not thorough enough.

And yet another peson assuming that this is necessary because Apple have made a patent application.