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The problem with that specific example is that a Pro Max–sized device that unfolds into something bigger would become square-shaped when opened. If you watch videos on it, the video size would be practically the same as just rotating the current Pro Max into landscape mode. Sure, for other uses there would be some extra benefit, but in my opinion that benefit is minimal. A square-shaped screen is pretty useless.
That's a good point about the size of videos on a foldable, but while video watching is a big use case, it's just one. The bulk of use cases are all the other screen content people use, like interacting with websites in browsers, apps that aren't showing videos, etc., and for those things, a square screen larger than a rectangular phone screen, something closer to an iPad mini, should be useful.
 
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I'd be waiting at least 1-2 cycles before going for a "no crease at all" display because i have massive doubts over its long term durability.
I felt the same way, but cast aside those thoughts and bought a Z Fold7 anyway.

I’m not advocating for Samsung, but I must say the durability after several months of heavy daily usage is impressive.
 
A genuinely small phone with a modern edge to edge display would be the cleaner engineering solution.

Fully agree.

An iPhone 4 sized device with a true edge-to-edge screen - and no camera bump whatsoever, just like the iPhone 4 - this would be my ideal iPhone. One that I would actually buy.

But seeing that not even the Android world offers anything close to that - I would assume chances are very slim we will ever see such a device again.

Having accepted that, a standard sized iPhone folding in half - with all the compromises you mentioned - is the most realistic compromise option. As such devices at least exist in the Android world. And from more than one manufacturer.
 
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That's a good point. I keep my iPhone in my right front pants pocket, and there are days when just doing simple yard work outside the house, like blowing leaves, or vacuuming them up, trimming branches above my head, etc. drops enough debris into my pants pockets that if my iPhone was foldable, I'd be concerned about whether some of that debris was getting into the hinge. Guess we'll see what Apple's hinge design is like. A simple solution might be to take my iPhone out of my pocket when doing yard work, but I'd prefer to have it with me.
Right? I don't mind the crease, but what I WOULD mind is hearing grit in the hinge as a close/open it and then *poof* something breaks inside that can't really be fixed.
 
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The hinges have been dust and dirt sealed for a while now.
I see they are rated for better dirt/dust protection now - but I may be misremembering the dates of some of the videos I saw of people with crackling hinges. I hope they worked that issue out because I love the idea of a folding phone.
 
Good for you. I'm proud of you. I've been saving since I was 19 years old. I am on my second career. I'm into old cars and many other things. I concur it is all about balance. The older I get the less the new shiny stuff impresses me. I could easily keep a phone 4-5 years with a new battery replacement every 3 years or so. My phone makes me enough money on my various hobbies that it makes send to get a new phone every 3 years. Heck my carrier gave me a thousand dollar trade in which I then go for the 2TB phone. I record a LOT of content for social media and YT (as a hobby) so I enjoy it. Antique tractors rule.

The only point I was trying to make was many folks complain about things that cost money but will spend money DAILY on eating out, coffee, tolls, etc.. which adds up to WAY more than a phone. With a phone it can do A LOT for a person. Heck most people I know don't even have a computer ... so the phone is a lifeline for their family business, applying for jobs, selling things on various marketplaces... buy hey.. to each their own. Peace!

I don't really care about the money, but I wouldn't side-hustle for cash to buy a phone...Take that money and build a 3-6 month buffer or pay of debt. Phones just aren't worth it (to me).

It's whatever you're interested in, I guess! Wife and I sure do spend a lot of money on our house and land. I've put two foldables worth of money into an antique tractor I'm restoring, and not even halfway there.


We personally buy our phones outright and then use them until they get handed down, or aren't supported. At the end of the day, another iPhone is another iPhone. The newness is gone in a week or so:


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Agree. I worked in the cellular business for ~21 years. Most carriers don't have have traditional contractors any longer in the US. Device payment is a contractor of sorts to say hey... we will bill you your phone divided by 24 or 36 months. The reason VZW moved to 36 is because they want you LOCKED In for 36 months. Some would say heck no... but ummm. If they go hey.. we will give you $1,000 trade in over 36 months and your $2,000 phone is now $1,000 over 36 months.. well that is $28 a month. Many will quickly say.. uhhh if you don't have the money don't buy the phone. I've argued for years that they can keep saying that... but the fact of the matter is... most are not going to walk in and pay x for a phone case or check or debit, etc.... I got the 2TB iPhone 17 Max and I got half off for trading in a 3 year old phone. I would not have gotten that amount selling it outright. People would say your crazy for buying a 2TB phone.. not with how much video I take and use.. so yeah... no doubt the trade-ins help carriers kind of get you to stay for at least x years and they make money on the service... plus prob do some sort of business write-off on the promo side.

I've been with VZW since 1996 ish (with the legacy company). I don't plan on changing so the promo itself was a no brainer.

I'll add that I think a lot of people underestimate or just don't understand how much these phones get for a trade in, especially on promotions. I traded in a 12pm to buy a 15pm and got over $800 toward the new purchase, then traded in the 15pm for a 17pm (with a carrier switch), but that got me right at $800.

I plan on keeping the 17pm for several years, but will also trade it in, probably in 3-5 years and hopefully get another new phone for very little money.
 
A simple solution might be to take my iPhone out of my pocket when doing yard work, but I'd prefer to have it with me.
You could keep it in a fanny bag.

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Foldables are the most expensive way to solve a problem nobody had.
I think a lot of people travel a lot. If I was on public transportation everyday or on a plane very often, I think a foldable would be a great device to own. Obviously the android manufacturers feel a need to make a bunch of them. They will sell some.
 
I think a lot of people travel a lot. If I was on public transportation everyday or on a plane very often, I think a foldable would be a great device to own. Obviously the android manufacturers feel a need to make a bunch of them. They will sell some.
Niche. I have spoken about this at length in a few other threads. It’s another device trying to be too many things and ends up being a compromised tablet and a compromised smartphone. People won’t buy it other than a niche market.
 
Niche. I have spoken about this at length in a few other threads. It’s another device trying to be too many things and ends up being a compromised tablet and a compromised smartphone. People won’t buy it other than a niche market.
I think you're overstating your take. It won't outsell the main options or the 'e' model for that matter, but it will sell well enough to exist. And beyond that, foldables are pushing the technology right now. It ends up being a win for all of us regardless of how well they sell.

All of that said, I think Apple has been overdue for a next level phone. They identified the need for the 'ultra' watch pretty early on, but the 17 pro max didn't feel like the most polished or premium device this year, more from a design stand point than anything else. Either with this foldable or some other form factor, I do think there is room in their market for a higher tier of phone.
 
Niche. I have spoken about this at length in a few other threads. It’s another device trying to be too many things and ends up being a compromised tablet and a compromised smartphone. People won’t buy it other than a niche market.
it's niche now and apple could grow this further

i fail to see how it's compromised phone aside from no telephoto. until we see software we can't say it will feel or be worse than any current ipad. if they nail software like the ipad it will be just be a smaller verision of what the ipad pro could be.

for me aside from cameras this will be better than a slab in most areas. going to touch ID is a positive i would say. face ID is just a pain to use on a table or desk. it's why i prefer android phones for unlocking due to great fingerprint
scanners.

people will buy what they prefer but iphones have become boring. this foldable will do basically everything better aside from no telephoto and iphone cameras aren't the best right now anyway so it's no great loss.

i don't expect the 18 pros to have any of the multiasking features the fold likely has and content will simply look better than any 18 pro device. you will do more with it but for big price maybe people don't want that but thats why choice is good.
 
I think you're overstating your take. It won't outsell the main options or the 'e' model for that matter, but it will sell well enough to exist. And beyond that, foldables are pushing the technology right now. It ends up being a win for all of us regardless of how well they sell.

All of that said, I think Apple has been overdue for a next level phone. They identified the need for the 'ultra' watch pretty early on, but the 17 pro max didn't feel like the most polished or premium device this year, more from a design stand point than anything else. Either with this foldable or some other form factor, I do think there is room in their market for a higher tier of phone.
People want there to be new paradigms in the tech industry. So many ideas and technologies never reach mainstream. What we have after some 50 years of personal computing is effectively the exact same paradigm for desktops that was invented in the 1970s at Xerox PARC and PDAs that have become multi-touch phones and portable computers in our pockets.

Foldable phones are like many other ideas: they compromise the core function of multiple converged devices, don’t solve problems for people and create a set of their own problems. The consequence is that they fail to capture a mainstream market. Everyone can come back here in 5 years and see if I’m right.

I said also prior to and after the Apple Vision Pro was launched that it would fail as well. Because it doesn’t solve problems for people and creates its own set of problems.
 
Maybe not for video watching, but for almost everything else you do in landscape, especially if the keyboard is visible, a double height screen would be much, much nicer.
It isn’t nicer when you realize and understand that the right tool for the job is what people reach for, not a lawnmower with wings.
 
it's niche now and apple could grow this further

i fail to see how it's compromised phone aside from no telephoto. until we see software we can't say it will feel or be worse than any current ipad. if they nail software like the ipad it will be just be a smaller verision of what the ipad pro could be.

for me aside from cameras this will be better than a slab in most areas. going to touch ID is a positive i would say. face ID is just a pain to use on a table or desk. it's why i prefer android phones for unlocking due to great fingerprint
scanners.

people will buy what they prefer but iphones have become boring. this foldable will do basically everything better aside from no telephoto and iphone cameras aren't the best right now anyway so it's no great loss.

i don't expect the 18 pros to have any of the multiasking features the fold likely has and content will simply look better than any 18 pro device. you will do more with it but for big price maybe people don't want that but thats why choice is good.
You can check my extensive posting on this topic. It will fail. It’s apparent what the compromises are. Thicker smartphone with a hinge. Plastic tablet screen that scratches easily and compromises screen quality. Odd aspect ratios when unfolded. Power limitations due to issues with the thermal envelope as a consequence of its form factor. And more…

People reach for the right tool for the job, not a lawnmower with wings.
 
You can check my extensive posting on this topic. It will fail. It’s apparent what the compromises are. Thicker smartphone with a hinge. Plastic tablet screen that scratches easily and compromises screen quality. Odd aspect ratios when unfolded. Power limitations due to issues with the thermal envelope as a consequence of its form factor. And more…

People reach for the right tool for the job, not a lawnmower with wings.

It won’t be thick, it will be 9mm when closed and likely 4.5mm when open. Will certainly be fine when it comes to thickness compared to how other pro max models are

It only scratches easily if you are trying to damage it. Ratio is a good thing for content both folded and unfolded.

I expect it will have a cooling chamber inside like the pros but until it’s out that’s a guess at this point. So only real compromises will be cameras.
 
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It won’t be thick, it will be 9mm when closed and likely 4.5mm when open. Will certainly be fine when it comes to thickness compared to how other pro max models are

It only scratches easily if you are trying to damage it. Ratio is a good thing for content both folded and unfolded.

I expect it will have a cooling chamber inside like the pros but until it’s out that’s a guess at this point. So only real compromises will be cameras.
Yes it is thick/thicker compared to a dedicated smartphone, especially trifolds. It scratches easily. That is a fact. Ratio is not good because when unfolded it’s like a square if a standard smartphone aspect ratio is the design and for trifolds they have all the compromises and more.

It’s a fact they are limited in power output because of their design constraints.

Several other compromises like no magic keyboard case that fits on it, etc.

It’s a crappy tablet and crappy smartphone.
 
Yes it is thick/thicker compared to a dedicated smartphone, especially trifolds. It scratches easily. That is a fact. Ratio is not good because when unfolded it’s like a square if a standard smartphone aspect ratio is the design and for trifolds they have all the compromises and more.

It’s a fact they are limited in power output because of their design constraints.

Several other compromises like no magic keyboard case that fits on it, etc.

It’s a crappy tablet and crappy smartphone.
How many foldables have you even used to make the statement? I've used them for 5-6 years and none have scratched. It's very unlikely for this to happen. It only happens like with anything where somebody is trying to damage the device on purpose. Yes it's thicker than normal phones as it does alot more and is bigger however fold 7 is very thin and light in the pocket and why it was praised by many reviewers.

I'm sorry but the ratio for apple's foldable is said to be very good and works well when closed with good content and when opened it's ideal for any media and for websites and apps you will get more of the display instead of just a stretched verison like alot of current foldables which are the ones with are very square. This won't be that.

So the compromises are basically cameras. There is very little else aside from higher risk due to the cost of repair.

Again how is it a crappy tablet and phone? it's basically going to be an ipad mini that's slightly smaller. It will likely offer similar functionally as what a tablet will be. As a phone it will be no different to a normal slab phone when closed. Will be no different to a pro device when you are using the device. The only difference will be worse camera hardware.

I would argue given when open it will offer more than a normal iphone as it will have advanced multitasking and usability.

What will make the slab iphone better would purely cameras. As an overall phone it will be the same experience aside from touch ID over face ID.
 
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How many foldables have you even used to make the statement? I've used them for 5-6 years and none have scratched. It's very unlikely for this to happen. It only happens like with anything where somebody is trying to damage the device on purpose. Yes it's thicker than normal phones as it does alot more and is bigger however fold 7 is very thin and light in the pocket and why it was praised by many reviewers.

I'm sorry but the ratio for apple's foldable is said to be very good and works well when closed with good content and when opened it's ideal for any media and for websites and apps you will get more of the display instead of just a stretched verison like alot of current foldables which are the ones with are very square. This won't be that.

So the compromises are basically cameras. There is very little else aside from higher risk due to the cost of repair.

Again how is it a crappy tablet and phone? it's basically going to be an ipad mini that's slightly smaller. It will likely offer similar functionally as what a tablet will be. As a phone it will be no different to a normal slab phone when closed. Will be no different to a pro device when you are using the device. The only difference will be worse camera hardware.

I would argue given when open it will offer more than a normal iphone as it will have advanced multitasking and usability.

What will make the slab iphone better would purely cameras. As an overall phone it will be the same experience aside from touch ID over face ID.
You’re saying how it should be in theory, I’m talking about what foldables are in reality.

1) Scratching is a thing.

Not “only if someone tries to damage it.” That’s just not true. Inner displays use soft polymer layers + screen protectors. Even Samsung tells you not to press too much and to avoid debris. Dust, fingernails, pockets, even small particles trapped when folded can cause micro-scratches. Your personal experience is very unlikely.

2) Thickness isn’t debated, it’s physics.

Yes, Fold 7 is “thin” for a foldable, but it’s still thicker than a normal flagship phone, especially in the pocket. And yes, it’s a compromise. Every foldable pays that tax.

3) Aspect ratio is still a compromise.

You’re saying “Apple’s ratio will be good” like it’s a confirmed product, not a rumor. Every foldable claims it’ll be “best of both worlds.” Then you open it and realize:
  • a lot of apps don’t scale properly
  • you get weird UI layouts
  • typing and one-handed use suffers
  • videos don’t magically fill the screen; you still get black bars depending on the content
You cannot have a standard smartphone aspect ratio on a bifold without it’s unfolded ratio being boxy. So then a boxy aspect ratio as a smartphone folded is what results potentially in Apple’s case.

Even the best foldables still have this issue. Saying Apple “won’t have that” is nonsense.

4) “Basically an iPad mini” is exactly the problem.

It won’t be an iPad mini, because the iPad mini has:
  • better durability (no hinge, no crease, no soft inner display)
  • better thermals
  • better sustained performance
  • a more stable software experience for that form factor
A foldable tries to be two devices and ends up as a compromised version of both.

5) Power/thermals/battery compromises are real — not optional.

That’s not me dunking, it’s engineering:
  • split battery layout
  • thin chassis + hinge space
  • less room for cooling
  • more internal complexity
    That impacts sustained performance, charging design flexibility, and long-term wear. “It will feel like a normal pro device” is only true until heat, battery, and long duration workloads show up. This is already demonstrated on foldables.
6) “Only compromise is cameras” is just wrong.

Cameras are one compromise. Others include:
  • durability risk and cost
  • crease + reflections
  • inner screen softness
  • hinge failure risk over time
  • reduced water/dust tolerance (even when rated)
  • weight distribution
  • lack of accessories that work well (cases, stands, keyboards, mounts)…
So if your priority is novelty and multitasking, foldables are cool.

But calling the downsides “basically just cameras” is pretending the entire category doesn’t come with tradeoffs people have been discussing for 5+ years.

Foldables can be fun. But they’re still compromise devices, and that’s what the original comment was saying.
 
It isn’t nicer when you realize and understand that the right tool for the job is what people reach for, not a lawnmower with wings.
You humorously just justified the iPhonebook. A double height screen is the right tool for the job when you want more space without having to carry an iPad everywhere; especially true for people without iPad Minis.
 
You’re saying how it should be in theory, I’m talking about what foldables are in reality.

1) Scratching is a thing.

Not “only if someone tries to damage it.” That’s just not true. Inner displays use soft polymer layers + screen protectors. Even Samsung tells you not to press too much and to avoid debris. Dust, fingernails, pockets, even small particles trapped when folded can cause micro-scratches. Your personal experience is very unlikely.

2) Thickness isn’t debated, it’s physics.

Yes, Fold 7 is “thin” for a foldable, but it’s still thicker than a normal flagship phone, especially in the pocket. And yes, it’s a compromise. Every foldable pays that tax.

3) Aspect ratio is still a compromise.

You’re saying “Apple’s ratio will be good” like it’s a confirmed product, not a rumor. Every foldable claims it’ll be “best of both worlds.” Then you open it and realize:
  • a lot of apps don’t scale properly
  • you get weird UI layouts
  • typing and one-handed use suffers
  • videos don’t magically fill the screen; you still get black bars depending on the content
You cannot have a standard smartphone aspect ratio on a bifold without it’s unfolded ratio being boxy. So then a boxy aspect ratio as a smartphone folded is what results potentially in Apple’s case.

Even the best foldables still have this issue. Saying Apple “won’t have that” is nonsense.

4) “Basically an iPad mini” is exactly the problem.

It won’t be an iPad mini, because the iPad mini has:
  • better durability (no hinge, no crease, no soft inner display)
  • better thermals
  • better sustained performance
  • a more stable software experience for that form factor
A foldable tries to be two devices and ends up as a compromised version of both.

5) Power/thermals/battery compromises are real — not optional.

That’s not me dunking, it’s engineering:
  • split battery layout
  • thin chassis + hinge space
  • less room for cooling
  • more internal complexity
    That impacts sustained performance, charging design flexibility, and long-term wear. “It will feel like a normal pro device” is only true until heat, battery, and long duration workloads show up. This is already demonstrated on foldables.
6) “Only compromise is cameras” is just wrong.

Cameras are one compromise. Others include:
  • durability risk and cost
  • crease + reflections
  • inner screen softness
  • hinge failure risk over time
  • reduced water/dust tolerance (even when rated)
  • weight distribution
  • lack of accessories that work well (cases, stands, keyboards, mounts)…
So if your priority is novelty and multitasking, foldables are cool.

But calling the downsides “basically just cameras” is pretending the entire category doesn’t come with tradeoffs people have been discussing for 5+ years.

Foldables can be fun. But they’re still compromise devices, and that’s what the original comment was saying.
None of this relates to the overall sales and/or success of the “iPhone iphold.” Everything in life is a compromise.
 
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