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For people who bought the Space Black when first released, or just after how well has it held up to scratches down to the bare aluminum? I really want to get an M4. I like the SB color but not if I have to really baby it.

Silver is safe and classic but is kinda long in the tooth, as others have mentioned. I may just have to flip a coin. I do not care about fingerprints but scratches that appear from apparently nowhere, especially when I am very careful would probably bug me. I dunno......

I can tell you that any MacBook in general has to be extremely babied as they are very fragile devices. Even if you have to type on the poor quality keyboards, you have to press the keys so lightly that you're barely hitting them or the keys can get damaged. Also, always having a mini brush and a micro fibre cloth with me has greatly helped in cutting back on dust. It's the only laptop that I've owned in my life that requires this level of care.
 
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Release week space black m4max. still happy, fingerprints not much worse than bare aluminium for me. Yeah you can see some marks that wipe off, but I could see similar on bare aluminium 14" pro I had from 2021 too.
 
I went with the Space Black this time around in part because Space Gray has been discontinued, and I am not a fan of the silver. I do have a clear hardshell case I keep on the machine, but I've never had issues with either dirt or grit getting between the case and the Mac and damaging the finish. I'm not sure if any changes were made to the Space Black anodization process, but my machine is far less prone to showing fingerprints than the initial Space Black models on display in stores
 
Thanks for that input. I am in a similar boat. I think the Space Black will definitely have less reflectivity. I used to always prefer the Classic Silver look but it just feels a little outdated now to me. On the other hand, I hate scratches and wear around the USB-C ports and magsafe. I could probably live with the extra reflectivity of the Silver but the black just looks so classy but not if it looks all dinged up after 2 months.

I need to make a decision, because I need something to replace a dead notebook.

You're definitely not going to see any wear within months. It took about a year before it started and I don't really baby it at all - constantly plugging things in/out as I tend to work in 3-4 locations throughout the day, so my use for those is at least double the average user.

Also to note, not seeing meaningful palm rest wear, but I typically wipe the machine down once a day. That to me has been my biggest issue in the past as it's so apparent, but the anodization seems to hold up well to that.

If you have the machine 3+ years a bit of wear is probably unavoidable but I don't think it's something that really jumps out.
 
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After about a year I wish I had gone with a silver unit. If your fingers get the least bit oily you leave traces all over the trackpad.

Same goes with my iPad Pro M4. Also the edges of the iPad look as if the color is wearing off.
 
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I don't travel excessively, but it does travel with me. I'd say it is home 90% of the time though.

I do use external devices, but probably not as much plugging and unplugging as some.

Palm rest does show some slight staining, but nothing excessive. Only visible for the brief moment I'm cleaning.
Staining, as in will come off when removed with alcohol, or something, or permanent?
 
Release week space black m4max. still happy, fingerprints not much worse than bare aluminium for me. Yeah you can see some marks that wipe off, but I could see similar on bare aluminium 14" pro I had from 2021 too.
I do not mind removable marks, it is the ones that are not that kinda bother me. I am going to take a look how SB looks in the Apple store, minus the 1000 fingerprints and bright overhead light to see if I like the color better than silver. I used to love silver but it just seems/feels a little dated to me these days. Definitely have less to worry about, except maybe more reflection on the screen. :)
 
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After about a year I wish I had gone with a silver unit. If your fingers get the least bit oily you leave traces all over the trackpad.

Same goes with my iPad Pro M4. Also the edges of the iPad look as if the color is wearing off.

The trackpad doesn't bother me but it's the keyboard that's even worse. This is why I will carry a 4lb mechanical keyboard with me that weighs more than the laptop itself.

If I ever have to touch any of the built-in laptop keys then I press the key with my fingernail so that the key doesn't look like it's been car waxed. The less contact the keys have to your skin the better.
 
The trackpad doesn't bother me but it's the keyboard that's even worse. This is why I will carry a 4lb mechanical keyboard with me that weighs more than the laptop itself.

If I ever have to touch any of the built-in laptop keys then I press the key with my fingernail so that the key doesn't look like it's been car waxed. The less contact the keys have to your skin the better.
Wouldn't the same thing apply to the keyboard on the Silver Mac, too? Are these just oily residue stains, or etched into the keys and the trackpad and palm rest?
 
Wouldn't the same thing apply to the keyboard on the Silver Mac, too? Are these just oily residue stains, or etched into the keys and the trackpad and palm rest?

Yes because Apple uses the lowest quality plastic for the keyboards. This is why I always advise people to refrain from using the MacBook keyboard if you can avoid it. The only way to prevent shiny as marble keys is to not use it.
 
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I can tell you that any MacBook in general has to be extremely babied as they are very fragile devices. Even if you have to type on the poor quality keyboards, you have to press the keys so lightly that you're barely hitting them or the keys can get damaged. Also, always having a mini brush and a micro fibre cloth with me has greatly helped in cutting back on dust. It's the only laptop that I've owned in my life that requires this level of care.
You either have the worst luck, or crazily high standards, because that is as opposite from my experience as you can get.

In my experience, if you put in the most basic effort into looking after them, and they last for ages! No need for babying them! Clean them from time to time, and don't drop them on tiles!
 
Yes because Apple uses the lowest quality plastic for the keyboards. This is why I always advise people to refrain from using the MacBook keyboard if you can avoid it. The only way to prevent shiny as marble keys is to not use it.
Carrying around a 4lb keyboard because you are concerned with the built-in keyboard is ridiculous. I have a solution that allows me to use the keyboard all the time without worrying about the keys at all, and it doesn't require carrying around a 4 lb keyboard either. The best part is that it costs less than $13.
 
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Yes because Apple uses the lowest quality plastic for the keyboards. This is why I always advise people to refrain from using the MacBook keyboard if you can avoid it. The only way to prevent shiny as marble keys is to not use it.
Yea, I always use an external keyboard when working from home. For something this expensive, why the cheap plastic?
 
Carrying around a 4lb keyboard because you are concerned with the built-in keyboard is ridiculous. I have a solution that allows me to use the keyboard all the time without worrying about the keys at all, and it doesn't require carrying around a 4 lb keyboard either. The best part is that it costs less than $13.
Sounds about right to me.....
 
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Carrying around a 4lb keyboard because you are concerned with the built-in keyboard is ridiculous. I have a solution that allows me to use the keyboard all the time without worrying about the keys at all, and it doesn't require carrying around a 4 lb keyboard either. The best part is that it costs less than $13.

The tolerances are quite tight on these, at least since the butterfly machines, and Apple does not recommend keeping internal protectors on when the machine is closed. Sure in normal use it's probably alright, but there is a chance of damage w/ extra pressure from an overly packed sleeve/bag.


As far as shiny keycaps, it's pretty much unavoidable on ABS plastics. Apple's not being cheap on purpose, it's just that PBT plastic can not be formed to the thinness required.
 
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Yes because Apple uses the lowest quality plastic for the keyboards. This is why I always advise people to refrain from using the MacBook keyboard if you can avoid it. The only way to prevent shiny as marble keys is to not use it.

At some point the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. I use my MacBook keyboards and have for years. Yes they can get shiny. No it doesn’t matter as they stay functional.

I mean it is a computer not a collectors item. You’re going to use it and use causes wear.

The way I like to see it. The wear is me making my mark on the machine just as it makes its mark on me. After a while, we’re both uniquely bonded.
 
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The tolerances are quite tight on these, at least since the butterfly machines, and Apple does not recommend keeping internal protectors on when the machine is closed. Sure in normal use it's probably alright, but there is a chance of damage w/ extra pressure from an overly packed sleeve/bag.


As far as shiny keycaps, it's pretty much unavoidable on ABS plastics. Apple's not being cheap on purpose, it's just that PBT plastic can not be formed to the thinness required.
Ah, okay... Well, most of the time, my Macs are docked and using an external keyboard.
 
At some point the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. I use my MacBook keyboards and have for years. Yes they can get shiny. No it doesn’t matter as they stay functional.

I mean it is a computer not a collectors item. You’re going to use it and use causes wear.

The way I like to see it. The wear is me making my mark on the machine just as it makes its mark on me. After a while, we’re both uniquely bonded.
Sounds very philosophical.;)
 
Carrying around a 4lb keyboard because you are concerned with the built-in keyboard is ridiculous. I have a solution that allows me to use the keyboard all the time without worrying about the keys at all, and it doesn't require carrying around a 4 lb keyboard either. The best part is that it costs less than $13.

Those keyboard covers do nothing but collect dust and will expose the dust to the laptop keyboard. What would work better is parchment paper that stays dry and instead of having to wipe down the dust on the keyboard cover, you just use a new piece of parchment paper each time. Parchment paper has great grease resistance.
 
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The tolerances are quite tight on these, at least since the butterfly machines, and Apple does not recommend keeping internal protectors on when the machine is closed. Sure in normal use it's probably alright, but there is a chance of damage w/ extra pressure from an overly packed sleeve/bag.


As far as shiny keycaps, it's pretty much unavoidable on ABS plastics. Apple's not being cheap on purpose, it's just that PBT plastic can not be formed to the thinness required.

This one is so thin that it doesn't even affect the tolerances or spacing in the least. As far as a "chance of damage" is concerned, the scenarios that would cause such an outcome would happen even without anything between the keys and display.
 
The tolerances are quite tight on these, at least since the butterfly machines, and Apple does not recommend keeping internal protectors on when the machine is closed. Sure in normal use it's probably alright, but there is a chance of damage w/ extra pressure from an overly packed sleeve/bag.


As far as shiny keycaps, it's pretty much unavoidable on ABS plastics. Apple's not being cheap on purpose, it's just that PBT plastic can not be formed to the thinness required.
I just use a transparent keyboard cover.Works very well and helps to keep keyboard from shining keys effect.
 
I have now had an M3 MacBook Pro since release day, about 18 months ago, and an M4 MacBook Pro since release day, about 5 months ago. I don't baby them, I wipe them down with a damp microfiber cloth - the M4 once a day end of the day (I use that one a lot), the M3 about once/week (I use it less now.) Both are still perfect - no fingerprints, loss of color, scratches, chips, nothing. Seems to be as durable as when I got silver if you ask me.
 
This one is so thin that it doesn't even affect the tolerances or spacing in the least. As far as a "chance of damage" is concerned, the scenarios that would cause such an outcome would happen even without anything between the keys and display.

They're all incredibly thin, and there have been numerous reported incidents of screen damage from the use case I stated.

You can certainly do what you want, just putting this out there as it's not something that should be recommended without caveats.
 
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