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Talking about a refrigerator with a toaster, Apple introduced the right click to the smartphone. And that is not a good thing
 
You make a good point but you forget that Apple are the creators of the ultimate single-function button (well, three function) - the home button on iPhone.

One click - it takes you home
Two clicks - app switcher
Long press - Siri

Apple seems to know the brilliance in simplicity and simple, intuitive function, however, this was in the Steve Jobs era. I don't have an Apple Watch so maybe you've already seen that they've moved away from this simplicity.

Time will tell.
Hmm...I wasn't aware people found the home button confusing. Perhaps we need to give people a bit more credit. I don't consider myself a "techie" yet I was able to figure out how to use my Watch in less than 5 minutes. I use the watch every day and rarely if ever am I scratching my head wondering how to do something.
 
Force Touch is pretty cool - I have it on my watch, and I have found myself force-pressing things on my phone to no avail.

The problem is if it's scattered around to do very different things in different places. Some buttons will be pressure-sensitive, but you won't know which ones just by looking. Launching an app could do different things depending on how much pressure you use to launch it. I don't like it - there doesn't seem to be a unifying theme or concept I can use even to guess if something may be pressure-sensitive or not.

We kind of have this problem on the Mac already with the alt button. If you hold it down, sometimes it'll change buttons and menus and expose some incredibly useful things. But you don't know what's there unless you try it and browse the menus, then you'll forget where things are because you can't see them, etc. Discoverability is a big problem for these kind of hidden menus and actions.

I guess that what Apple is doing is basically giving developers a raw hardware feature without much idea how to integrate it in to the OS. Then they're going to see what we do with it, then they're going to use that as "inspiration". That's kind of lazy from Apple's side.

So was long press lazy on Apple's part too? How many developers have incorporated that? Why can't we wait to see what's announced before people start pissing all over it?
 
I agree that force touch doesn't sound very exciting for me. Hopefully, this will be one of those things which sounds dull on paper but is actually fun to use in real life.

People said the same thing about Touch ID. Some people (like me) couldn't imagine not having it now and some people disabled it. It's often hard to tell how great a feature is until you live with it for a while.
 
When the first iPhone came out, I said nobody will ever want a phone in the keyboard, how are you supposed to use it when it rains?
When Touch ID was introduced, I said nobody will ever want that, what's wrong with typing in a PIN code?
Now Force Touch is coming and I think nobody is going to be excited by that, so you better buy the Apple stock in preparation for record-breaking sales ;)
 
I can't wait till someone creates a tweak that does 99% of the Force Touch interface through long press.
 
I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but there is probably more that you can do with Force Touch than just pressing. Think Force Gestures. Swiping with some extra pressure to do certain things. If they don't add that this year they may in the iOSX (or whatever it will be called) API.

FT already stands for FaceTime, you're going to choose another initialism for Force Touch.
Context clues? Most people understand.

I have a feeling that Force Touch will be written out more often than Face Time when providing directions on the forums and elsewhere, so the FT shorthand for Force Touch will probably take over in popularity. You tap a button or you FT a button, etc. I Face Time only a few times per month, but I can see myself Force Touching things many times per day. I imagine usage will be similar for other users.
 
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i don't mind convenience of bringing Force Touch to an OS, but lets make this universal across everything huh ?

Not just optionally allow developers if they wish to support it with these hardware devices... because not ever app or desktop app is force-touchable, how is that good ?

end result: u have to know which app is and which isn't, or will never be.
 
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I will go out on a limb and say that upgrading every year is in fact a poor choice for just about anybody. Apple has done a great job of building almost a fever pitch around each release that seems to, IMHO, embroil many more people than simply those who genuinely need it to remain functional.
Not everything that buy has to be a need. People can also buy things that they want.
I just don't buy that it is needed or that the benefits are as seriously felt as true believers make them out to be.
Again, wants. And there are tangible updates in each iteration of the iPhone. Siri, Touch ID, and better cameras are all very tangible benefits to upgrading. If someone wants to upgrade every year, it's their prerogative. If they can afford it, then it's not really a poor choice.
 
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I hate to be THAT guy, but isn't this basically long press on Android/Windows Phone (for the shortcut actions)
I'm sure Force Touch will be used for other things when developers get their hands on it.

No. It's how hard you press, not how long you press. You can use long press today in iOS. With force touch you can tap something for a short duration of time but hard and that would be different than a long duration of time but short. In musical terms, Force Touch can allow for Forte Staccato (hard and short)
 
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It's not about third-party integration at this stage, nor will it be for 1-2 generations on top of the iP6S. It's about the increased functionality of bundled, first-party apps that will make this a feature worth having. It's about changing how apps like Camera, Calendar, Maps, or Safari works. Press hard on the tab viewer button, for instance, and a new tab opens straight away on your screen. I don't expect many third-party devs to include it for a long time, for the reasons you stated.





If you think that keyboard is good, you don't use a keyboard enough. On a traditional Cherry MX I type at around 130WPM, on my rMBP I can do about 115-120, but even with practice I can barely do 100WPM on the stupid rMB keyboard. It's just horrible. You don't feel depression, there's no depth to the keys, and there's no satisfactory 'push down' sensation. I also hate the stupid force touch pad, though admittedly that's probably because I didn't give it a chance. You push, and push, and push, and there's no give.

I'll be scooping up a classic separate trackpad for use with future rMBP purchases if I carry on not liking the rMB one.

Sorry, I meant the TRACK PAD, not keyboard. But as an aside, I really like the keyboard on the 12" rMB as well as the tack pad! Lots of folks do. Milage may vary. I can't imagine typing full time on a cherry switch keyboard, but I do have a cherry red Ducky keyboard for my gaming rig. To each their own.
 
Why's that then?

I personally found the iPhone 6 to be the biggest leap forward besides the introduction of the original iPhone of course. I'm not talking about any iOS features here. Force Touch all alone or combined with some rumored minor changes in the devices thickness for me seems an ideal generation to be skipped.

EDIT: I still don't feel convenient in using Force Touch at all. Something keeps telling me to not push that trackpad so heaviliy. I guess it'll get worse once using an iPhone :rolleyes:
 
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You say this, but my point is that I apparently have this added feature but have never noticed it. The computer has never prompted my about it, the instruction manual that came with the Mac didn't explain it to me...

It's pointless adding a new 'feature' if the user has no idea it exists.
I agree, I think you will see it more utilized as time goes on. Most of my friends who have macs don't know 1/3 of the gestures OSX offers and that indeed is an unfortunate waste. But then again OSX does 10x the average user is aware they can do.
 
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This could also add a whole new dimension of complexity, maybe in a bad way.
Knowing what a "force touch" would do in all the circumstances in all the different apps could get quite confusing.
I don't want to be pressing everywhere, trying to get some hidden functionalities out of some apps via trial and error.

This. Forcing a new OS versions on users every year is one thing. But adding, on top of it, a new principle of how you interact with your device could be (too) hard to muster for a lot of users in the real world (i.e. outside the MR zoo ;))

I hope FT can be disabled w/o crippling the phone beyond the capabilities currently offered by iOS 8.
 
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I don't know what is the difference between long press and force touch!
in android toggle notification , long press will jump to setting shortcut..
(same principle to force touch, once you press hard to notification center toggle it will jump to specific settings)

Which is not the same as force touch. If you used the force touch on the AppleWatch or on the trackpad on the 2015 MacBook Pro you would understand and feel the difference. It is not how long you press but how light or how hard you press which can do different actions.

EDIT: If you "don't know what is the difference between long press and force touch!" then why would you even comment like you understand what force touch is or what it does. Do some research and learn something new.
 
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The price for this feature is never going to make sense. I garantee it.

So you think your financial sensibilities applies to everyone else? Hint, no it does not. Therefore, your guarantee only means that it applies to you.
 
This just sounds overly complicated and unnecessary to me. They could simply expand the use of a long press to accomplish these same things. Seems like something that's just going to confuse non-techie people.

Long touch is completely non-intuitive. What else in the world works like that*? In contrast, most physical things respond MORE the harder you push-- if used appropriately, it's much more intuitive.

*Yes, there is one thing that works that way-- sexual molestation. A long touch provides more molestation per unit of force than a short one. So, if you are a sexual molester, long touch will be more intuitive to you. :eek:
 
I have a feeling that Force Touch will be written out more often than Face Time when providing directions on the forums and elsewhere, so the FT shorthand for Force Touch will probably take over in popularity. You tap a button or you FT a button, etc. I Face Time only a few times per month, but I can see myself Force Touching things many times per day. I imagine usage will be similar for other users.

Agree to disagree.
 
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