Waiting for Subaru to jump in. The day they offer a CrossTrek with CarPlay I'll be laying down my bucks. Until then my 1998 Civic will just keep on rolling.
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Ford Launching 2017 Escape in May as its First CarPlay Vehicle
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I had a really long detailed post about the reason why I think people base reliability on neglect, but decided to not post it. Instead I wanted to just say, for me, all cars can be reliable. For me reliability is when a car doesn't leave you stranded, protects you against a crash, and is just dependable.
If it goes, stops, and turns on.
I've owned cheap speed cars like the Cobalt SS Turbocharged, to nice cars like an Acura, all have been great. 33 years on planet earth has taught me to see things a little differently in terms of car reliability. For me each car requires a different level of attention. If you don't meet that it's neglect. Then things go wrong.
I would say a good comparison would be a puppy. Some breeds require a lot of attention, but they're not broken because of it. They're just built that way. While other breeds require less attention. You can still love them both and one may fit your lifestyle more, but that doesn't mean that puppy is defective or bad, just not for you.
If it goes, stops, and turns on.
I've owned cheap speed cars like the Cobalt SS Turbocharged, to nice cars like an Acura, all have been great. 33 years on planet earth has taught me to see things a little differently in terms of car reliability. For me each car requires a different level of attention. If you don't meet that it's neglect. Then things go wrong.
I would say a good comparison would be a puppy. Some breeds require a lot of attention, but they're not broken because of it. They're just built that way. While other breeds require less attention. You can still love them both and one may fit your lifestyle more, but that doesn't mean that puppy is defective or bad, just not for you.
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Talk about utterly irrelevant garbage that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread.
Go be an elitist somewhere else, your timeline of a death knell for gas in five years is a complete joke. If anything, it's you buying a 200 mile range EV that's going to find yourself with a value plummeting to nothing when 350-400 mile range EVs are the norm in 5 years. There's a reason all those current Volts and Leafs are leases, you should think about that one.
You're still an early buyer in the EV market, and you'll be the one getting burned, bigtime. The range isn't there.
You are correct, the 2016 model is a brand new system and it is leaps and bounds better than the previous gen.
I looked through the thread and didn't see any Supras, maybe I posted on a different one.
I love my Turbo MR2. It is a rare car that can turn heads without costing crap loads of $$. Driving the MR2 is very different than any other car I have driven, and even though it is not as fast as some others, I think it is the most fun.
My MR2 is mostly stock, I tend to upgrade parts if they go bad. It has a Motoria exhaust, custom intake, Enkei Kojin wheels. The suspension was heavily upgraded with Koni yellow struts, Eibach Profit springs, and a full Prothane urethane bushings kit.
I am currently having a turbo rebuilt (ATS CT 27) which should be done in a few weeks, which I will be changing the SMIC and all new pipes when it is done.
To keep this post on topic with the thread, I just bought an open box Alpine iLX-007 with CarPlay for $311 at Best Buy, and will have it installed this weekend.
They'll never hold that price for the batteries no matter how much they recycle. Oh and BTW, the last estimate of lithium reserves world wide was 13 million tonnes and we are currently using about 600 thousand tonnes per year. Recycling costs for lithium are about 5 or 6 times higher than mining costs. You better hope and prey they find some new technology. The real battery costs for the model 3 is around $15,000 and they are hoping to get that down to about $5,300 in 3 to 5 years, but no promises. I think that $80 is for the labor costs, you better have that $80 cost in writing.
What infrastructure do you need? The car goes 200 miles on a charge. Your home has outlets, right? You can charge at home at night. You can plug into two ordinary outlets at a time giving you a range of 10 miles per hour, or about 100 miles per night. If that's not good enough for your daily needs, you can also have an electrician install a beefer outlet that'll give you 40 miles per hour for about $400 - you'll fully charge the battery in just 5 hours.
For road trips that are longer than the battery can handle, there's the free supercharger network (I linked that to a map of the superchargers in the UK for you... it looks like there's around 40 of them spread around the country so far. The UK is under 900 miles from end to end, so those 40 superchargers should easily accommodate any trip you want to make.)
If your concern is whether the grid can handle it, it takes 6 kWh of gas to refine a single gallon of gasoline. That same 6 kWh can drive the Tesla Model 3 for 20 miles. Which means if the UK is refining their own gasoline right now (I assume they are... IDK which other refiners you'd be importing it from), your grid will handle it fine. You'll be increasing the stress by charging your car by the same amount that you're reducing the stress by not needing as much gasoline refined.
You don't need a garage. The chargers can be installed outside. It's about $400 to have a charger installed. Alternatively, you might already have outlets in your parking lot - those might be good enough. Ask your landlord - if you're willing to foot the bill, it's likely they'll sign off on having the work done. Threaten to go elsewhere if they won't sign off.
Interesting argument. I'd expect I can swap out my old 200 mile battery for a newer 400 mile battery in the future, but I'll have to investigate.
Also, it's not irrelevant. MacRumors is talking about this car like it's something desirable. I'm refuting that.
Wake up Honda, you lost one of our family long time Honda owners to Hyundai, kept one who bought a '16 Fit (but regrets it due to no CarPlay, and a radio interface requiring PhD level competence, and thus is not recommending it to friends despite liking it otherwise), and will likely lose a 2nd family member to a CarPlay using brand.
We all got a bad taste in our mouth that you were listed as a CarPlay partner in '14, images of your display audio were used in Apple advertising, CarPlay was successfully tested via firmware update via USB stick in customer production vehicles early '15; you left customers who were led to understand that Honda's great customer satisfaction reputation would ensure existing cars would also receive a backwards software update; announced no MY '15's would get such update; introduced CarPlay on 2 new models, but models launched before '16 with display audio are left wanting, with these customers again believing there will be a firmware update.
Want surprise, delight and satisfaction, give or sell the firmware update for, say 25 or 50$, to existing customers.
By doing customers with newish cars a solid favor by updating because you want to not compete against the 1000$ Honda Navi option in current model, or to use CarPlay to try and sell the latest models is disappointing (and more akin to move a bottom tier OEM would make.)
That's a bummer, but unfortunately, it's extremely likely it won't happen, since Sync3 is a whole new set of a hardware. It's a different display (resolution and capacitive vs. resistive), different control unit (Sync2 is 400MHz, Sync3 is 1.7GHz dual core among other things), and different interconnect. It would be one thing is there was a small modular swap out (kind of like some Samsung smart TVs), but you're looking at about $1500+ in parts, and there's not really any incentive for the manufacturer. With Sync3, since they're not changing any hardware with the '17s, I guess they figure, it's a nice courtesy, and it effectively costs them nothing (just an end user download and flash, heck, my Sync 3 even has WiFi).
The 200,000-300,000 Ford sells every year would say otherwise.
I also doubt you'll be able to swap out the battery, and even if you could, the cost would likely be prohibitive and the other tech in the then-newer car wouldn't make it worth it to sink a massive investment into the old one. EVs are basically disposable and will continue to be so for a while.
Talk about having no idea - how can this scale to support the millions of cars on the roads each day - might be a few queues with only 40 recharging points!
There are so many issues with initial cost, battery life, range, charging stations etc that it will be at least 15-20 years before I would consider a fully electric vehicle. Having said that I do think the future is electric but I actually think your argument is the wrong way round - it's you that is making the risky investment not me with my new petrol car.
Lastly the range indicated for all these electric vehicles is under ideal conditions - add air conditioning, heating, lights etc and the range drops dramatically.
Infrastructure is needed. If everyone has electric cars, outlets would need to be all over. $400 to install an outlet is infrastructure
Ford, better to be late than never. In my humble opinion now that phone connectivity (carplay,androidauto) is available; one must not buy new car/suv/etc without such feature built-in and software upgradeable. Typically, most people don’t replace car often, less than 10 years. So, why to live with for the next many years without such feature when available.Hope, car manufacturers in process of providing such feature also support wireless carplay. We all need to put pressure on auto makers/dealers to get off their laurels.
The only people who need to use a supercharger are people going on long trips. Day to day they shouldn't be necessary. Tesla estimates that about 10% of all miles driven are driven on long trips. That would suggest we only need about 10% as many charging stations as gas stations.
Then again, it takes 6 times as long to use a supercharger as it does to fill up your gas tank. So maybe you'd need 60% as many stations.
Lights don't touch range at all. They consume a few dozen watts. The battery supplies a few dozen kW. The total impact is around 0.05% (0.1 mile) of range on a full battery - not worth considering.
Running the AC costs you about 5% (10 miles). Heater costs you above 10% (20 miles). Those are worth considering, but I don't think I would call them dramatic.
But that isn't unique to an EV - running the AC in a gasoline based car will similarly reduce the range, will it not (heater won't - it just uses excess heat from the engine.)
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Anyone that purchases a DD car as a long term investment should not be trusted with money.
Electric or gasoline, cars are horrible investments.
Why? CarPlay doesn't do anything that could distract more than an iPhone. If anything, I think it would reduce the distractions. Example: Using Siri hands free for texting, and reducing the amount looking down at your phone.
I'm not sure what you mean by "DD car". Looked it up online and couldn't find anything... unless you meant "designated driver"? I don't understand your argument.
I am aware that any car is a depreciating asset. You should buy a car because you need one, not because you want one. As I see it, electric is far more reliable and will require less repair than ICE. So even if they're more expensive at the start (which it isn't - it's only costing me $25K... I couldn't even get anything comparable with an ICE for that price), it would pay for itself over the long term. Much like Macs pay for themselves despite their higher upfront cost.
DD = daily driver, sorry, it is used a lot in car forums.
I agree that electric cars will become more popular in the future, but not in the timeline you mentioned. I think everyone will be perfectly safe buying a car that costs more than $4k for at least the next decade if not more. Also, there is not a good replacement yet for gasoline vehicles. Once there is an decent electric SUV or crossover that cost less than $30k, then I think electric might take off, but until then, what electric vehicle will fit a normal size family?
Do you mean the $80 battery swap is $80 to replace of the battery?
The Tesla event that they did to show off the swap was not a battery replacement, but just borrowing a fresh battery to keep on going for long drives. Equivalent to pumping a tank of fuel. If you do not return the battery, then you will be charged for a new battery which is thousands of dollars not $80.
Also, the $.02/mile is a little low for most people, at least in the US. It would be closer to .04/mile.
And about the infrastructure, how is the US ready for everyone to have electric cars? Is everyone going to be running long extension cords from their house to their cars?
Hmmm, that's odd. Because I have a '15 Escape, and while the MySync isn't the greatest, it's pretty easy to set up and use. But we have the "premium" version w/ the nav and the good stereo.
I get rentals all the time, and they usually give you the "crap ass basic bare bones" system, so maybe that was it?
I've heard the latest version of MySync is better still, and CarPlay will be (obviously) preferable to either.
Agree about the gas mileage, but, honestly, unless you go hybrid you're not going to get better than 35 highway (which is about what I get on my escape). And we lease, so going hybrid or electric doesn't make any sense.
Meh, wouldn't make me buy a Ford. I miss the old Escape designs too, when they used to look like actual SUVs and and not like station wagons.
What's an example of a car pic that couldn't happen in real life?
My car has it and it's awesome. It works very well for me so go figure.
When you see a picture and immediately realize, oh this is just advertisement. When the picture is not about the people or the landscape only the product to be sold. When I look at this picture, I don't think the car is the most important thing happening in this situation. It could be the car was only driven to the lake, because the girls wanted to be at the lake and the car ended up being in the picture accidentally.
