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Ford Plans to Stick With CarPlay as GM Moves to Phase Out Support
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Ford absolutely has been on their 'A' game for some time now. I'm driving a 2010 Ford Edge whose head unit was replaced with a Pioneer unit to get CarPlay. Mechanically, this car has been crazy reliable, with only a couple relatively major repairs needed to it a couple years ago, both of which were inevitable for the age (alternator, for example).
So what this data shows is that a Model Y used to be able to get a 20% premium over a Mach-E, but now that premium is down to one third of that. That’s going to disappear completely if Musk keeps cutting prices the way he has. I wonder why the luster has come off…
Some other automakers are opting to limit their supply of cars to keep prices high. Look at the Corolla GR for an example of this.
I don’t need to redeem myself for anything. Used values are way down and Tesla has been enacting massive price cuts and talking about potentially cutting profits to zero to maintain sales. That’s not healthy, end of story. At one point Tesla had a huge lead in EVs but now other automakers are all going to have trucks out before Tesla, who’s truck is now almost 4 years beyond the announcement and is now going on 2 years behind schedule for production starting. Clearly Musk is spending too much time on Twitter and not enough time on his car company.
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My point is the asinine decision for California to push all electric cars then tell people they can’t charge said cars because their grid can’t support it. Electric cars are a short term, knee jerk reaction. I worked for Porsche for 8 years and was onboard during the original Panamera Hybrid and Cayenne Hybrids back in 2010/2011. Electric cars have a higher upfront cost, and use materials that require destroying the environment to get to. So long as folks can feel like they’re doing something good for the environment by not burning fossil fuel, they will simply turn the cheek to the reality of how ungreen electrics are and how unprepared we are to go all electric. It’s a huge scam.
I read a comment somewhere that if you aren't charging your EV with solar or wind, then it's all a lie. It did make me laugh... but yes, the current electric grid can't even come close to supporting the power required to charge all of the EVs that they are trying to push...
But, back on topic, I think GM is being incredibly short-sighted with this move. Ultimately, people want their stuff where they can access it. Having to constantly sync their media, contacts, etc just to be able to use them in your car is a fool's errand... All I have to do is connect my phone to CarPlay and, voila! everything is there, at my fingertips.
This charge from the Union of Concerned Scienstists shows, broadly, CO2 output for EVs in equivalent ICEV miles per gallon.
This tool let’s you lookup your own local power grid’s equivalent
How Clean is Your Electric Vehicle?
On average, electric vehicles (EVs) produce less carbon pollution than comparable gasoline-fueled cars. Just how much less depends on where they’re charged.
The current grid capacity could not support an overnight conversion but that’s not what anyone is actually proposing. This will take 15-20 years to complete which is enough time to continue to expand the electricity generation capacity.
The request by California to reduce electricity usage during peak hours applied to all uses of electricity, not just EVs and it was during a record breaking heatwave, not a long term condition. It’s not unreasonable to think that that heat wave would not have been so bad if the climate were not getting worse.
Yes, EVs require more power to construct, but because they are so much more efficient than ICEVs, it only takes 2-3 years for them to offset that intitial energy investment and then start being less energy intensive than ICEVs.
Analysis: When do electric vehicles become cleaner than gasoline cars?
You glide silently out of the Tesla (TSLA.O) showroom in your sleek new electric Model 3, satisfied you're looking great and doing your bit for the planet.
EVs do require mining and production that can involve some toxic chemicals. ICEVs (in construction and in fuel production) also require mining and the use of chemicals, not not quite the same mix as an EV. With an EV, once the vehicle is produces, the contamination is mostly done, whereas with the ICEV the contamination from oil extraction, refinement, distribution, and consumpion continues for the life of the vehicle. The contamination from EV production is mostly localized but the CO2 from burning gasoline affects the whole world.
Having a great time with my Mach E GT. Was considering a Blazer EV to replace my Gen 2 Chevy Volt but I guess not anymore…. One of the things I like about Carplay and Android auto is that it’s independent of the car manufacturer and gets updates more often. Also not sure they figured out how to stop their ultium battery packs from catching fire.
I’m a Volt.2 owner looking toward a full EV for my next car. After a good experience with the Volt, I had been looking at the Blazer and Equinox as strong candidates but no more. Having CarPlay as an option is a hard requirement for me. My phone is much more personalized than my car ever will be.
BTW the Bolt, which had about a dozen fires due to an LG manufacturing issue is an older platform and battery tech, not related to Ultium.
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My experience with CarPlay has ALWAYS been inferior to me just having my iPhone on a holder on the dashboard and plugged into the sound system via audio cable.
That said, I think it's idiotic not to offer the software built into the vehicle.
That said, I think it's idiotic not to offer the software built into the vehicle.
CarPlay might make some things harder but they are generally the complicated things you shouldn’t be doing while driving. It is designed to make basic interactions and common driving features easy to do with minimal attention and taps.
The phone is a holder us much harder to see with the smaller screen and harder to interact with while driving. It is also illegal in many jurisdictions.
Umm, That could virtually be said of every vehicle manufacture, though I would place it more in the ninety to ninety-five percentile, as there is always a percentage of odd ducks.
Having spoken to a Telsa technician, they seem to think ninety percent of Tesla owners are iPhone users…
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Ford CEO Jim Farley said that Ford has no plans to drop support for CarPlay due to its popularity with Ford customers. He made the comment in an interview with The Wall Street Journal's Joanna Stern.
"70 percent of our Ford customers in the U.S. are Apple customers. Why would I go to an Apple customer and say good luck?" he said.
Farley was commenting on car manufacturers that do not support CarPlay, like Tesla and General Motors. Tesla has never added CarPlay support into its vehicles, and GM earlier this year announced plans to phase out support for both CarPlay and Android Auto starting in 2023.
GM plans go with a built-in infotainment system co-developed with Google as it transitions from combustion vehicles to electric vehicles. CarPlay will be available in non-electric models, but GM ultimately has plans to switch to an all-electric lineup by 2035.
iPhone users have been asking Tesla to support CarPlay for years, and unsurprisingly, GM's announcement has not been particularly popular with those who are in the Apple ecosystem. By removing control of the infotainment system from Apple, GM and Tesla have access to more data about their customers, and can also push vehicle-related digital subscription services.
Farley doesn't think there's money to be made in the content that car owners consume in their vehicles, with Ford instead focusing on safety, security, autonomy, and productivity features.Having a familiar navigation and infotainment system in the car is appealing to customers who don't want to have to transition between two incompatible software setups, so GM's decision to drop support for CarPlay and Android Auto will be off-putting to those who have become used to the way that in-car solutions from Apple and Google extend the smartphone experience to the vehicle. No CarPlay will be a dealbreaker for some customers, so it will be interesting to see how GM's transition affects future vehicle sales.
Starting in 2023, Apple plans to roll out a next-generation CarPlay experience that will offer even deeper integration into new vehicles for manufacturers who choose to continue to offer CarPlay as an option.
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We had a Tesla Technician come out to resolve a wireless charging pad issue, and in passing, they mentioned how it seemed as though nearly every Tesla owner had an iPhone, and that Androids users were a rare occurrence…
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Reading the thread in context:
you said "100% of Tesla customers are Android and iPhone users"
@Loyalizer said "that could virtually be said of every vehicle manufacture ..."
What is confusing about that? The meaning is quite clear.
did you fail to read "and Tesla is saying "good luck""?
Jim is saying "why would I say good luck to 70% of our customers". Point I'm making is that Tesla is saying "good luck" to 100% of their customers.
ford is NOT saying good luck to those customers. every vehicle manufacturer IS NOT saying "good luck". read the article.
Ok but if Apple, whose core business is software/hardware, cannot get it right, why would GM, whose core business is to design and build cars, get it right?
Car manufacturers have historically been so bad at making their own infotainment systems, this is mainly why most of them threw the towel and Google/Apple have entered the market.
Why do I feel like this is a scene out of Gung Ho and the people are hiding the fact the truck is actually on blocks with no tires or bumpers.update:
it's very much happening.