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Yeah like calling it iPhone is so much better.

No. You completely missed the point behind his Post. It's about the marketing aspect of a device, which Samsung came up with "Galaxy", and the iPhone started just as the "iPhone." Similarly to iMac before that used the numeric "i" in Apple devices. There is history behind the name with Apple.
 
You mean the man who has made Apple more valuable and more money since the death of Jobs, i think Apple are doing fine with Cook.

We shall see. Apple sales are either falling or plateauing across their product range. We haven't seen a truly revolutionary new product since the iPad. It's only a matter of time before their cash cow the iPhone sales start to fall back as the market becomes saturated.

I'm sure Nokia & Blackberry thought they were doing just fine making loads of money before they got steamrollered.

As for the share price, the only reason it keeps going up is because Apple are wasting billions of dollars buying back their own shares to keep the price artificially high.

There is an old saying in business that if you're not moving forward you're moving backward. To me that sums up Apple under Cook's leadership.
 
Samsung has better hardware and latest technology.
Apple has better software, better customer service and better integrity with hardware & software.

When it comes to hardware though, you have to consider performance. Apple is consistently the best when it comes to performance (even with older hardware). The only thing Samsung bests Apple in right now in terms of hardware is the screen. As every phone maker goes bezel-less, there really won't be a reason to not choose iPhone.
 
What design innovations does Samsung have? Everyone is moving to bezel-free displays. Nothing special about Samsung.

Everyone but Apple it seems. If the iPhone 8 really is a special edition phone and priced north of 1.000 usd and the new phone for "normal" customers (7S) is another Facelift of the iPhone 6, I won't be buying an iPhone this year.
 
Everyone but Apple it seems. If the iPhone 8 really is a special edition phone and priced north of 1.000 usd and the new phone for "normal" customers (7S) is another Facelift of the iPhone 6, I won't be buying an iPhone this year.

Well, to be fair, Apple hasn’t released its 2017 phone yet and everyone else has. It typically comes out in the fall. That’s totally your choice not to buy a new iPhone, but I don't think stomping your feet and acting like Apple cares will get you anywhere or prove a point. The new iPhone will continue to sell more than any other phone, just like it does year after year. A better screen will just be icing on the cake as I’m not even sure it needs it.
 
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Software innovation? Not really. The last few MacOS releasss have been updates at best. In no way have they been game changing. Metal pun aside.



The article ties "innovation" to "fancy looking hardware" FAR more than it should. Apple is still extremely innovative on the software front, which matters more IMO. Everyone will get to bezel-less displays, slabs of glass that look like the S8. Not everyone will come up with something to the level of ARKit.
[doublepost=1500392027][/doublepost]Apple IS Steve's company. History has proven Apple will fail without him. Right now theyre just cruising with the momentum and cash flow created under his direction. Tim can run a company, but cant drive it like Steve did.
 
Software innovation? Not really. The last few MacOS releasss have been updates at best. In no way have they been game changing. Metal pun aside.




[doublepost=1500392027][/doublepost]Apple IS Steve's company. History has proven Apple will fail without him. Right now theyre just cruising with the momentum and cash flow created under his direction. Tim can run a company, but cant drive it like Steve did.

Always doom and gloom on this site haha
 
Software innovation? Not really. The last few MacOS releasss have been updates at best. In no way have they been game changing. Metal pun aside.




[doublepost=1500392027][/doublepost]Apple IS Steve's company. History has proven Apple will fail without him. Right now theyre just cruising with the momentum and cash flow created under his direction. Tim can run a company, but cant drive it like Steve did.
Please provide more evidence for this. Steve drove the company into the ground once, as did the first guy put in charge after him. Tim has brought the company to far more profitability than Steve ever did.
 
When it comes to hardware though, you have to consider performance. Apple is consistently the best when it comes to performance (even with older hardware). The only thing Samsung bests Apple in right now in terms of hardware is the screen. As every phone maker goes bezel-less, there really won't be a reason to not choose iPhone.
the better performance of iPhone is mainly because of efficiency of software and seamless integration of software with hardware,Samsung flagship models always have superior hardware (more Ram,faster processors, more high end tech like eye scanner,IR,etc etc) however they are let down by Android because Android is the exact opposite of iOS, it "leaks" and wasted a lot of resources.

The screen is absolutely superior on Samsung,and there is no debate about it.it's just instantly evident not just S8 but any other flagship Samsung at the time easily beats Apple equivalent,Apple often uses either LG or Sharp IPS and everyone knows Samsung uses their own top notch OLED which is in nature superior to IPS.

I wouldn't say it's just the screen that Samsung betters Apple at this time specially, what about the design of S8? that's clearly superior design engineering.

But then again Android is terrible and I prefer iOS anyday.
 
the better performance of iPhone is mainly because of efficiency of software and seamless integration of software with hardware,Samsung flagship models always have superior hardware (more Ram,faster processors, more high end tech like eye scanner,IR,etc etc) however they are let down by Android because Android is the exact opposite of iOS, it "leaks" and wasted a lot of resources.

The screen is absolutely superior on Samsung,and there is no debate about it.it's just instantly evident not just S8 but any other flagship Samsung at the time easily beats Apple equivalent,Apple often uses either LG or Sharp IPS and everyone knows Samsung uses their own top notch OLED which is in nature superior to IPS.

I wouldn't say it's just the screen that Samsung betters Apple at this time specially, what about the design of S8? that's clearly superior design engineering.

But then again Android is terrible and I prefer iOS anyday.

I think the higher specs are used to cover the deficiencies of Android, as you mentioned. I can't look at hardware and completely negate software, I think they go hand in hand. In regards to the screen, yes it is impressive, but Apple hasn't released their 2017 phone yet so I don't think it's fair to compare a 2016 phone to a 2017 phone. Same really applies to the bezel-less design. This will be included in Apple's 2017 iPhone and is really becoming standard across a lot of phone makers. Eventually, all will be equal in terms of phone design, screen, etc. It'll come down to software, core technologies (touch ID, Apple pay, 3D touch, etc.), ecosystem, and support. I think we can agree who is the better long term investment here.
 
It is all show. We have seen this before; apple is doomed! Innovation is dead at apple. New Iphones are delayed, etc.
People want to drive stock prices down, because the iphone 8 is already taken into account in the current stock price.
It is something like: trying to double dip, etc.
What if Apple (yes I get it the most profitable company in the world) is no longer exciting and any good?
 
What if Apple (yes I get it the most profitable company in the world) is no longer exciting and any good?
It is still any good, so....
No longer exciting?
Only because samsung made a screen that bends around the corners a little that creates image distortion it is more exciting?
Only because ms brought us a hololens that is still in beta or made a laptop with windows 10 with touchscreen and detachable keyboard, while not being the best laptop or tablet?
What is exciting? I think AR is exciting personally. And they made their move to get it mainstream, so.....
 
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What if Apple (yes I get it the most profitable company in the world) is no longer exciting and any good?

The only way Apple would be in real trouble is if android manages to get its act together in its optimization and hardware support (regular updates across all manufacturers) plus maybe improving their playstore. As it stands for the average consumer who doesn't care about infinite skins, launchers, nightly builds, etc etc, iOS is a much smoother and consistent experience.

On the hardware front, when looking at raw specs, android phones are probably better, but when you couple hardware and software then the iPhone/iOS experience is (in my opinion) far superior to any android phone/os combo.

And since the iPhone is apple's cash cow then for the foreseeable future , boring or not, Apple will remain profitable.
 
I think phone design is a little like web design, in that no one cares and no one pays much attention. Functionality, usability, the os/ecosystem, personal support at an Apple store, and repairability are what people (including me) like about their iPhones. I looked at a Galaxy S8 - pretty - but with the usual Android hot mess of an interface. I then noted its very low ifixit repairability score. At that point, I stopped caring about the design, and continued enjoying my iPhone 6s+ -- two years old and not to be replaced for another two.
 
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Steve drove the company into the ground once, as did the first guy put in charge after him. Tim has brought the company to far more profitability than Steve ever did.

According to Steve, Apple was 90 days from bankruptcy when he was hired back on. Scully drove Apple into the ground. Can you provide a source for your above statement that it was Steve who drove Apple into the ground?

Tim hasn't done anything. Steve handed him the keys to already well functioning sports car. Just because Tim drives it, doesn't mean he's responsible for Apple's success. Since Tim took over, you can see the decline in Apple's innovation and cohesiveness (neglected product lines, lack of innovation etc).

Of more interest, while researching I read in Wikipedia that Apple had poor sales in the past due to having too many models which confused consumers. Ironically they've done the same thing again (MacBook, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air and all the iPads). It's one thing to make a mistake, but another thing to make the same mistake again. Not learning from past failures is just plain foolishness.
 
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When you say something so exaggerated as above, we all know you are writing fiction :p
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I welcome you to live a week with my S8 (it can be arranged if you have the time & money).
It's been anything but the smooth experience that I'm used to with iPhone 7. I had both phones in use; S8 was too much of a frustration to keep as a daily driver.
 
In regards to the screen, yes it is impressive, but Apple hasn't released their 2017 phone yet so I don't think it's fair to compare a 2016 phone to a 2017 phone. Same really applies to the bezel-less design. This will be included in Apple's 2017 iPhone and is really becoming standard across a lot of phone makers.
Sure,but here is the problem, why should Apple be behind and forced by Samsung to implement some of these newer, better tech? why shouldn't Apple pioneer using these techs themselves? to be honest it seems Apple only uses new tech when they are used by others and so they can no longer deliver with older, cheaper tech.and that's no good..always playing catch up..it should be other way around as it used to be.
Also one other big problem..rumors indicate the OLED version of iPhone will be even more expensive than the 2 other 2017 iPhones..that's not acceptable when Samsung has OLED in all their phones and the cost reasonable or at least the same as their other flagships.Apple cannot justify higher price for a tech in one version of their device that others been using years before them.
Eventually, all will be equal in terms of phone design, screen, etc.
But they won't be equal ever..it seems Samsung always will use the latest tech in their flagships and Apple will always play catch up the next year..and that's the core of the problem..
 
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I welcome you to live a week with my S8 (it can be arranged if you have the time & money).
It's been anything but the smooth experience that I'm used to with iPhone 7. I had both phones in use; S8 was too much of a frustration to keep as a daily driver.

Neither the s8 thread here nor in other forums did we see users complaining their s8 becomes unusable needing reset/clear cache/reboot all the time.

The logical explanation is either you got a dud or you are doing something NOT NORMAL with the phone like installing rouge apps/rooting. Or you are just simply slating the s8.
 
According to Steve, Apple was 90 days from bankruptcy when he was hired back on. Scully drove Apple into the ground. Can you provide a source for your above statement that it was Steve who drove Apple into the ground?

Tim hasn't done anything. Steve handed him the keys to already well functioning sports car. Just because Tim drive's it, doesn't mean he's responsible for it. Since Tim took over, you can see the decline in Apple's innovation and cohesiveness. (neglected product lines, lack of innovation etc)

Of more interest, while researching I saw it mentioned in Wikipedia that Apple had poor sales in the past due to having too many models which confused consumers. Ironically they've done the same thing again (MacBook, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air and all the iPads). It's one thing to make a mistake, but another thing to make the same mistake again. Not learning from past failures is just plain foolishness.

Some of the older models are basically there so they can hit a price point. Also, devices these days have more longevity, the A9 devices are still insanely fast and even the A8X devices are still pretty speedy.
 
Sure,but here is the problem, why should Apple be behind and forced by Samsung to implement some of these newer, better tech? why shouldn't Apple pioneer using these techs themselves? to behest it looks Apple only uses new tech when they are used by others and so they can no longer deliver with older, cheaper tech.and that's no good..always playing catch up..it should be other way around as it used to be.
Also one other big problem..rumors indicate the OLED version of iPhone will be even more expensive than the 2 other 2017 iPhones..that's not acceptable when Samsung has OLED in all their phones and the cost reasonable or at least the same as their other flagships.Apple cannot justify higher price for a tech in one version of their device that others been using years before them.

But they won't be equal ever..it seems Samsung always will use the latest tech in their flagships and Apple will always play catch up the next year..and that's the core of the problem..

It's not like Apple decided a few months ago to make the switch to OLED. These plans probably go back 3-4 years. I think Apple waited until some of the issues with OLED screens were resolved and they got the point where they can be produced on a massive scale. You have to remember, Apple needs to execute on hundreds of millions of iPhones. Samsung doesn't need to produce close to that, nor does any other phone maker besides Apple. It is also something to consider that Samsung makes these OLED screens themselves, I am sure they give themselves an advantage here although I see that changing in the future as Apple will likely partner on micro-LED. For me, I would rather wait until the technology matures and it is put into a phone with my OS of choice. I don't care if Apple isn't the first on a certain technology just so they can say they were first. It really makes no difference. What's great is that people have options. If they really need to have the first of everything, Samsung/Android is a great choice for you. It's not really a problem for most people.
 
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A recent report by The Wall Street Journal has taken a look into the smartphone design war happening between Apple and Samsung, suggesting that the latter company has begun edging out the former with the design of the Galaxy S8.

According to Hugh Dubberly, formerly of both Apple and Samsung, Samsung isn't ahead of Apple because it has "gotten better" at designing smartphones, but because Apple has "fundamentally changed" following the death of former CEO Steve Jobs.

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While smartphone innovation has "plateaued" over the last few years, analysts said that consumers are focusing more on the aesthetic of a smartphone to determine if they will buy the device or not. The report cites recent data accumulated by Consumer Reports, which compared 2016's iPhone 7 to 2017's Galaxy S8. The newer Galaxy S8 bested the iPhone 7 in categories like battery life and design, while most of the iPhone 7's shortcomings are rumored to be addressed in the iPhone 8 later this year.

According to analysts, the iPhone 8 needs "a new distinguishing feature," with The Wall Street Journal referencing a fingerprint sensor embedded under the display as a potential game-changing addition -- although recent rumors have suggested Touch ID could be nixed from the iPhone 8 altogether.

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Apple and Samsung's smartphone design war has been raging for years, heating up in 2011 when Apple sued Samsung and accused the company of copying the design of the iPhone and iPad and committing patent infringement in the process. Last December, the Supreme Court reversed a decision to award Apple $399 million in damages related to the case, which it was originally awarded by a lower court, and the case will now returned to the U.S. Court of Appeals.

For the next devices, Apple is expected to announce the iPhone 8 in the traditional September timeframe, and the smartphone is believed to include a 5.8-inch OLED screen with an edge-to-edge display, glass body, wireless charging, facial recognition, and no physical Home Button. Samsung is rumored to announce the Galaxy Note 8 in August, potentially launching with a curved display that is "marginally larger" than the 6.2-inch display of the current Galaxy S8+, while also including two rear cameras.

Article Link: Former Apple Executive Says Company Stalling in Design Innovations Following Death of Steve Jobs
Having a phone with a display that extends the full length and width of the phone means the simple act of holding the phone may result in selecting an app or a function that was not intended.
 
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