You have to admit the reality isn't as rosy as it once was.
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Former Apple Executive Says Company Stalling in Design Innovations Following Death of Steve Jobs
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You have to admit the reality isn't as rosy as it once was.
I guess you've forgotten how much people here said they HATED the glass antenna panels on the 5 when its images first leaked. Yeah. I remember tho. Same way people here said they HATED the antenna bands on the 4 when its images first leaked. Yeah. I remember that too.
Nope, this is just rose colored glasses, painting the past better than the present. Standard operating procedure here.
Than any facial recognition that's out right now, that is. That's all we can compare it to, but who's to say Apple won't have a superior implementation than what's currently out there? That's what Apple does best. Then again, I see this one being more difficult to adopt considering Touch ID is already great and has less issues to consider like facial recognition does/will have.
This sort of story -- ex-Apple employee saying apple is DOOMED -- is now a narrative template, reused time and again. In reality it's little more than sour grapes. A guy who was at Apple in the 1980s and more recently on the global design board for Samsung. Give me a break, what does he know – totally biased.
Side note, it's pathetic how many/most of the MR commenters are Samsung cheerleaders and Apple DOOMsayers. Samsung owes everything its phones are to copying Apple, plain and simple. They can't even write their own OS, instead using another copy of Apple, android.
Side note, it's pathetic how many/most of the MR commenters are Samsung cheerleaders and Apple DOOMsayers. Samsung owes everything its phones are to copying Apple, plain and simple. They can't even write their own OS, instead using another copy of Apple, android.
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What isn't as rosy? The devices are better than they have ever been. Apples chips are faster than anyone else, their platform is more integrated and has more devices for consumption than ever. They are getting back into the Pro market, they are sharing product releases with us earlier than normal, they are getting into AR, and they are way more profitable than they were when SJ was around.
Yes, that is what they do best, and I see your point. However, you can unlock your phone as you're pulling it out of your pocket, or purchase an app using your finger, and use Apple Pay without the need to lift it up, have a camera start, align your face up just right and wait for a facial scan. How awkward would Apple Pay be if you were standing in line and had to scan your face with others behind you. Granted this would be unnecessary if you have an Apple Watch, but not every iPhone owner has a watch.
Maybe they have come up with something else that is much more intuitive, but that's really how facial scans currently work.
I'm intrigued to see what changes they would make if they go that direction, but I won't say I'm not a little hesitant either.
In my opinion/taste the Galaxy design isn't that good, the front isn't too bad but the rear is just plain Fugly.
Yeah, it's fun to look back at the April 2010 threads on the leaked iPhone 4, such as this one.
Common comments in such threads were:
- Ugly!
- It looks too industrial.
- It looks like a Zune / cheap Nokia or Samsung
- Apple would never have asymmetric seams. Or seams at all!
- It doesn't look like an Apple design.
Part of the problem, possibly. otoh cracking a whip sends some talented people packing. balance is tricky and in Jobs' case may have been partly good luck. Luck is a factor in everything.
Agreed. I liked the 4S, 5C, and now my SE. They are all solutions to problems expressed by users, and design marvels. I still use my 4S and 5C as WiFi devices and people who see them and are not familiar with any of Apple's phone offerings always admire them and want to hold them, turn them over, see them in use in assorted apps, etc.
I am not sure Dudderly said the Apple well was tapped. He was addressing smartphone issues. Everyone sane thinks the smartphone well is pretty much played out as far as stunning "you never ever imagined this" revelations by now. Certainly a CEO has to look past smartphones to the next thing and in fact to the next of ten years down the road, which is not easy. Even more difficult, reminding customers that the thing that "we never even imagined!" takes years --YEARS-- to get from brainstorm to assembly line. On that score, CEOs shovel sand against an unthinking tide of end users being able to tweet pix around the globe in seconds and "therefore" figuring that innovative hardware rollouts are now being run by slackers...
Not sure. Clash of titans... implosion. Time Warner, AOL.
I might cry when my 4S finally shatters or croaks. I use it only as WiFi now, no case. So beautiful.
I too own some Apple stock. I been voting for Cook to stay... Meanwhile I just keep buying their gear so it's me y'all should emulate, since casting a proxy vote is one thing and putting money on gear is what keeps Apple stock worth buying.
Who designed the Apple watch though? Because that's very typically sexy Apple design.
I would say the S8 design is much better then the iPhones though. I can't see Jobs letting all these delays happen under his watchful eye?
It's Cooks Apple now, get used to it or change!
I would say the S8 design is much better then the iPhones though. I can't see Jobs letting all these delays happen under his watchful eye?
It's Cooks Apple now, get used to it or change!
Jony Ive and Marc Newson designed the Apple Watch. Steve Jobs was also rumored to have some contribution in the Apple Watch before his passing in 2011, which would have been one of his last projects.
https://www.cultofmac.com/320577/watch-jony-ive-and-marc-newson-talk-apple-watch-with-vogue/amp/
Do other (Alexa-Cortana-Google...) assistants speak/understand as many languages as Siri does, guess not.
I love my S8+ but with curved edges that introduce distortions of tint and in some uses actually cause content to be displayed bent, I can say it's a better design than my 7 Plus. Then there's the fact both large and small models basically recycled last year's single camera design. And the finger print scanner is located next to the camera lens--which causes me no actual hardship but still defies common sense expectations.
It's a lovely phone that works well and is visually stunning at first sight. But now that I have lived with it awhile I find myself wanting to redesign it into something more sensible, if less stunning. "Pretty is as pretty does" is an old saying that applies here.
I found my plainer S7 to be very sturdy and attractive and more practical and I wish Samsung had decided to evolve from that base rather than the S7 Edge.
I agree with JaySoul. I have a Samsung Galaxy S8+ for personal use and an iPhone 6S+ for work. The overall experience of using iOS on the iPhone is better than using Samsung's version of Android on the Galaxy S8+.
Cook is good with numbers, but in order to keep that going, there needs to be more thoughtfulness in the products coming out. The new MacBook Pros are a hot mess with top case issues. The AirPods appear to be "artificially constrained", and there doesn't seem to be a feeling of cohesiveness that there was when Jobs was around.
Sure there were flops and missteps then, but I think there are more frequent missteps now (canceling displays and having LG make them, the Mac Pro, the new MacBook Pro, disbanding the airport team etc), than there was when Steve ran things.
It was inevitable that PC and smartphone innovation would plateau. Time to look at the next category.
Pretty silly article. The smartphone is pretty mature now. Even Steve Jobs' Apple had a hard time innovating on the iPod's design, eventually changing things for the sake of changing things.
Smartphone tech will require some breakthroughs in tech before we see radically new designs, such as foldable displays.
Smartphone tech will require some breakthroughs in tech before we see radically new designs, such as foldable displays.
Thanks, I thought Jobs may have had some input. It's the clever way you change bands, the simple magnetic charging connector so no gold contacts to wear down.
Haha... I didn't say it was a 'useful' design, just better as in looks, that's what people care about first usually. I'd rather an iPhone but can't help luster at the S8.
There are a lot of people with the same sentiment as you on the S8. People who actually used it and wanted to like it. Between awkward proportions, distorted display and a finger print scanner in highly questionable location the meme being pushed (note: I am not saying by you) that “Samsung have surpassed Apple in design with the S8” seems utterly out of step with reality.
In a device that is meant to be picked up, manipulated, looked at and unlocked with a finger but has serious deficiencies in all these aspects its design does not seem to be a successful one. I can’t even agree that it looks pretty (the S7 Edge was far prettier to my eye and, yes, better looking than the contemporary iPhone) and it sure does put the old iPhone 5 “longphone is long” meme in perspective.
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S8 is an innovation?!
Come on
Home button on glass WITHOUT fingerprint scan is a design joke. Samsung is so LAZY.
Samsung engineers must be like "Oh we can't put scanner under glass. Put it in the back then"
Super stupid design indeed.
Anyone can do it since the beginning of touch phone. But they all just decided not to do so.
Samsung makes it in 2017 is
NO ACCOMPLISHMENT in anyway.
Come on
Home button on glass WITHOUT fingerprint scan is a design joke. Samsung is so LAZY.
Samsung engineers must be like "Oh we can't put scanner under glass. Put it in the back then"
Super stupid design indeed.
Anyone can do it since the beginning of touch phone. But they all just decided not to do so.
Samsung makes it in 2017 is
NO ACCOMPLISHMENT in anyway.
Until phone screens are able to be folded, rolled, bent, or projected onto air, there aren't too many different form factors attainable in a hand held device that would change the industry to this point.
Cameras on the phones probably have the largest opportunity for innovation because for now I surf the web, read and write email, and watch videos pretty much instantaneously with a touch of my finger.
Maybe one hardware innovation that I would love to see is a phone that can read your lips as a user interface. This would let you operate the phone without touch while not producing any sound during use. A very far fetched and technically challenged idea, I know, but it would serve well if it could be achieved.
Cameras on the phones probably have the largest opportunity for innovation because for now I surf the web, read and write email, and watch videos pretty much instantaneously with a touch of my finger.
Maybe one hardware innovation that I would love to see is a phone that can read your lips as a user interface. This would let you operate the phone without touch while not producing any sound during use. A very far fetched and technically challenged idea, I know, but it would serve well if it could be achieved.